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Best "HHO Electrolyte" Versus "Conditioned Water" and Why you think it is ?

I eared many things about hho generator but some say it is better to use "solution recipes" (electrolyte) instead of  "conditioned distilled water" .
I'd like to know more about conditioning distilled water .
I need your help on this one !
I plan to use rectified high voltage for 2 dry cells . 8" by 8" 16 plates each using microwave parts but I can't figure the minimal input if coming form  12 volts batteries and car alternator . I bet I'll need a converter from car DC to H/V transformer and I have no idea how to make it a reality
Use the best of your knowledge to answer !!!
Instructive and useful links are welcome ...
Thanks !

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Hello and welcome to Intructables.  It looks like there are a few 'ibles here already on the subject of HHO.  The software that runs this place has already compiled a list of other Instructables it thinks may be "related" to your query.  They're in the column on the right side of the screen there
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I'm not sure what you mean by "conditioned distilled water", if you have a link handy, as to where you read that one, it might help me grok what you're talking about.

Let me sort of summarize my understanding of electrolyzers. The reaction that produces hydrogen and oxygen, requires 2 electrons per mol of water consumed, or equivalently 2 electrons per mol of H2 produced.  That's not obvious from the balanced equation.
1 H2O  = 1 H2 + 0.5 O2

But that's what you get when you write down the equations happening at the anode and cathode. E.g.

Basic solution consuming OH- at the anode:
Anode:   2 OH- = 1 H2O + 0.5 O2 + 2 e-
Cathode: 2 H2O + 2 e- = 2 OH- + 1 H2

Or acid solution consuming H+ at the cathode
Anode:   1 H2O = 0.5 O2 2 H+ + 2 e-
Cathode: 2 H+  + 2 e- = H2

Since its two electrons per mol of reaction, then you've got a conversion between electric current through the cell, and the rate at which you are making gasses.  The actual factor is Avogadro's number times the charge on an electron, or however many coulombs of charge are in a mole of electrons.

For that reason you want a cell that allows a large current (in amperes) to flow through it.

The electric power consumed by the cell is the voltage across it, multiplied by the current flowing through it.  Thus a lower cell voltage would consume less power.

For these reasons I am thinking you want high current and low voltage. 

Not high voltage.

That is the advice I have to offer:  Try for a cell with large current, low resistance offered to that current, and hopefully low voltage.

That advice plus what I was I was saying before about others having built similar things.  Be sure to check out those related instructables.
Never use baking sode, the carbon in it will coat your plates and you will get very little hho that is useless, no power whatsoever. Only use NaOH or KOH, and be careful they are both very dangerous don't get it on you. Never add water to them, add them to the water slowly in small quantities.

The Bob Boyce specification is what you should use for maximum powerful gas.
Erm... Re: Bob Boyce, he would be the Bob Boyce who wrote this:
http://pesn.com/2007/09/29/9500450_BobBoyce_Electrolizer_Plans/d9.pdf
Yes?
That is the Bob Boyce I'm talking about. This pdf was written by Patrick Kelly, also, a long time trusted Internet friend. Patrick Kelly's document is probably the best place to get the info on Bob's specification, unless you can get it from Bob himself. I think Bob pretty much endorses Patrick's write up of his stuff.

Right now the most trusted names in HHO/Hydroxy are Bob Boyce, Patrick Kelly for the documentation, and Brother Andrews of Hydrogen Garage for Bob Boyce specification products. There are also others though.

all good but dont answer Conditioning vs structured water.

Structured water is superior to any mix and when done like joe cell u dont use water , you fit a blind plug and engine runs on radiant ,orgone , aether ,ous, vacuum or which ever subscribed to :-D

Quick question: can you still find NaOH in stores in your town? E.g. Red Devil(r) brand, or something else that claims to be almost pure lye? I can remember buying it in a store about 10 years ago, but since then it seems to have disappeared from store shelves. I can still find it being sold on the internet. But sometimes I get the impression, a lot of things, especially chemicals, are getting harder and harder to find. I was just wondering about NaOH in particular. Do they still have it in stores where you live (wherever that is)?
Yes, it is in drain cleaners for one thing. Try and get a pure NaOH though, many drain cleaners have sulfactants in them too. The Powers that Were are probably responsible for the inability to locate or the difficulty I should say. They don't like people being able to cut out their fossil fuel use.
+1.

Extremely well thought out answer with tonnes of info.
That reminds me, I was going to attach this link: http://www.powerstream.com/dc-hydrogen.htm

I'm not sure if their box is actually worth the price they're asking, but box embodies this same philosophy: i.e. trying to make the current through the cell large, and the voltage across it low, around 4V DC.  Also since these Powerstream guys are doing this with a DC-to-DC converter, it should be more efficient than the usual trick, which is just connecting the car's 12V battery across the cell, and getting whatever current you get.
CassTete12 years ago

To make a long story short , best 2 use is well or spring water as it structured 2 begin with .

understand that any harmonic wave structures water .

Simplest i know is stiring 3 times clock and anticlock wise whilst humming or singing the pythagoras harmonies . . solfege do re mi fa so la ti do . . respectivly.

Geopatterns work well like biogeometry. Honeycombs are excellent but even egg containers . . Shaped like the eggs stacked ontop of each other .

See go watch supermuble on youtube with his joe cell which

ONLY works with structured water .

Also dna teleportation by prof montagnier nobel prize holder shows conclusivly that 7.83 hz dchumam resonance works 100 petcemt.

ATTENTION

Bring ANY Microwave technology close and your water is fu&%$

Bring negative thinking or rather people with bad intentions,mind or evil close by and irrespective of what physicd,chemistry or any PHD tells you . . Your water is f&%$+ :-D

follow @casstete1

lewdogfrog2 years ago

From what i understand it takes 1.8 volts to break water into it's 2 parts. So if you had for example 2 plates at 1.8 volts you should get the reaction. What you have to be able to do is control the amount of amps you allow to flow through the circuit. You will need at least a 50 amp pwm which stands for pulse with modulation. I found one on line rated up to 60 volts dc and 60 amps for 22 dollars.

Regarding the question of what electrolyte to use, I'd probably go with sodium carbonate dissolved in distilled water.  Na2CO3 is sold in grocery stores as "washing soda", and also at pool supply stores as some kind of pH increaser.  Guessing that you'd want to dissolve as much of it in water as you can, just to get the conductivity as high as possible.  I think the Wikipedia article on it had some more data on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_carbonate

Some other choices? NaCl (table salt)?  NaHCO3 (baking soda)?

The reason I don't recommend NaCl is that chloride ions can oxidized to Cl2 gas at the anode, competing with the  O2 producing reaction you want there.  Also Cl- ions tend to be corrosive to metals (whatever your electrodes are made of).

The reason I'd go with Na2CO3 instead of NaHCO3, washing soda instead of baking soda, is that its more soluble in water, and I think you'll get better conductivity that way.

lemonie5 years ago
You don't really know what you're doing and it involves high voltage....
Stop.
Look at things that work, and explain themselves (on the internet).

L