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LED EMBEDDED IN AUTO-TIRES? How to build this tire?

People have been asking me to create a “ LED TIRE ” and I’ve never really even considered doing it, but I’m thinking of putting together a prototype of TIRE embedded with a lot of LEDS.
What do you say, dear readers about this wacky idea?
* Would you like to test this type of rubber on the streets?
* Do you think would look cool a car with such tires?
If you’re interested, about this idea let me know.
Meanwhile I try to make a real LED rubber and I will post pictures of it soon.
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Does anyone have any idea how I might build such a rubber?
Thanks in advance for any idea.

I get an insights IDEA about HOW TO DO IT ?
Yes, LEDs in tires, literally.

- In terms of safety that I thought so:

1. I take a normal summer or winter rubber, and in this rubber insertions or ribs, I do small holes from place to place where this LEDs get inserted.
2 These LEDs are connected to a source of 4 batteries that will be attached to all the assembly of wires and connections inside the tire.
3. I closed all the little holes and the whole assembly of wires and battery inside against detachment and ensure tightness with special adhesive for rubber. And I solved the problem of safety..  . : ) I think so..
So opinions or any idea about to do that?

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Problems:

Additional road noise

The dirt and grime and scratches the LEDs would endure would pretty much prevent much light from shining thought.

How would you adequately power it? Any rotary contacts would need to be vary well shielded from all the dirt and grime and withstand a lot of wear and tear. Battery pack in the tires would become a balance issue and could become loose in the tire with all the abuse a tire has to endure. Are you aware of the forces involved when a tire hits a small bump in the road going 60 mph? Not to mention the temp changes a tire endures.

All in all this is not a good idea. The LEDs will weaken the tire and introduce added failure points resulting in blowouts. There is a LOT of engneering involved in designing a tire. You don't simply just throw some LEDs and a power source into it and say it's good to go.

VitoM (author)  mpilchfamily2 years ago

Hi, mpilchfamily.

Thank you for your time with my question!! Realy appreciate.

You 1. Additional road noise.? (LED TIRES)

Me. 1/ There is no road noise because the Leds do not have any contact with the surface of road.

You 2. The dirt and grime and scratches the LEDs would endure would pretty much prevent much light from shining thought.

Me. 2/ The Led's will be embedded between the ribs of tire UNDER THE SURFACE OF LINE RIBS, and between the surface of line ribs and the leds will be a clear silicone rubber. As result there is no reason as any tiny stone to get into this area. (if the silicone would be firm like the rubber surface)

You 3. How would you adequately power it?

Me 3/ I do not now yet. ( with a self loading power system.. maybe)

You 4. Battery pack in the tires would become a balance issue and could become loose in the tire with all the abuse a tire has to endure. Are you aware of the forces involved when a tire hits a small bump in the road going 60 mph? Not to mention the temp changes a tire endures.

Me 4/ Battery pack balance issue will not be a problem, because the whole system of wires and batteries will be calibrated in the middle of rubber, INSIDE THE CHAMBER/ROOM OF TIRE covered by a layer of rubber material. So, NO ENY TOUCH WITH THE SURFACE OF ROAD.

Wow, - ( : ) -- I Need to test if a bump and temp would be a issue (risk of detachment) for the leds an battery pack inside the tire.

I will come with an initial prototype and then I will solve all these issues during the the real test.. Then I'll let you know.

Thanks afresh.

VitoM

Do you understand where the road noise comes from? The added divots in the tire create added air pockets between the road and the tire. As the tire roles across the surface suction is created between the road and the gaps in the tire tread producing much of the noise you hear as a car drives down the road.

All sorts of dirt and grim will mar up any silicone you may put between the LEDs and tire surface. Also the silicone may not handle the stresses a tire experiences, drying out and quickly pealing away from the tire.

Any battery pack used that is in the layers of the tires introduce a large surface area in the tire that will aid in the layers pulling apart. Also you have no way of charging said battery. Any charge port you put into the side wall is another failure point.

Good luck here but it's a complete waste of time and money. I wouldn't even consider working on a prototype till you have done a lot more research on tire production, engineering and safety certification. As i mentioned in another post you'll want to focus your prototype production using retread tires. That will be your best option allowing you to embed the LEDs, wires and batteries into the tire. But there is a lot of heat involved to get the retread sealed to the base tire which will likely destroy any battery pack you try to use and possibly burn out the LEDs. Also read up on any and all regulations regarding tires. If you can visit a tire manufacture and take a tour of the factory. Please don't just jump into prototyping before fully understanding what you will be getting yourself into.

VitoM (author)  mpilchfamily2 years ago

Thank you. You are ''Genius at work''.

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VitoM (author)  mpilchfamily2 years ago

Hi mpilchfamily what more I feared that was happening.

I'm afraid you're right .

I thought seriously about problems that could make it very difficult (unsustainable) this project.. LEDs EMBEDDED IN TIRES !!!

1. All sorts of dirt and grim will mar up any silicone you may put between the LEDs and tire surface. Also the silicone may not handle the stresses a tire experiences, drying out and quickly pealing away from the tire.

2. Any battery pack used that is in the layers of the tires introduce a large surface area in the tire that will aid in the layers pulling apart. Also you have no way of charging said battery. Any charge port you put into the side wall is another failure point.

Me>>>>

Yes, all these problems are very obvious and put in dilemma viability of this concept. Is it viable and feasible idea? I'm afraid the answer is NO. (As I thought it as first)

But what said this man (rickharris) and (Vyger) gave me to think about and more.QUOTE themYour thinking about it in the entirely wrong way.Why not embed reflectors and shine a bright LED at them from under the wheel rim. Seems to solve most issues.To be more specific : You have lasers mounted just outside the wheel wells with ports they can shine through. Get the laser mechanisms that can create different patterns by quickly drawing an image or design and have those shine on the tires. You will need to have a reflective medium added to the tire rubber. As long as the road dust keeps from obscuring the lasers it would work fine.

Me>>>> I do not know what to say. This approach seems more reliable?

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VitoM (author) 2 years ago

CLOSED EXPERIMENT

LED's EMBEDDED IN THE TIRES

To dangerous for car safety.

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PeterM132 years ago

Ice Studs in tires were installed in tires manufactured specially for them (close in thread pattern to your current Off the road patterns. The studs were steel and the shape was similar to a pop rivet with the wide side embedded into the tire and only the shank exposed as the tire wore. They are not totally banned as in certain northern states people with handicaps can still use them in the winter months. Because of the noise they created and the harsher ride most users kept two sets of tires in their garages and swapped them during the season on an as needed basis

VitoM (author)  PeterM132 years ago

Thank you for your comment.

Vito

Kiteman2 years ago

Compromise, make LED rims.

VitoM (author)  Kiteman2 years ago

Thank you all those involved.

mpilchfamily , Vyger , rickharris, iceng, seandogue, Kitemansteveastrouk

If LEDs embedded on tires is a UNSUSTAINABLE idea then remains to try the idea of reflective material on the rubber, or LEDs that highlight wheel reflective material.

VitoM (author)  Kiteman2 years ago

Hi Kiteman. Thank you for your time.

Very interesting your idea. '' Led rims ''...

But, if I put LED on rims and in the tires? Is this a best idea, compared of only simpleLED rims?

seandogue2 years ago

You asked... ;)

Much as I could see technically how it can be done, I think it's a silly idea that would result in unnecessary driver distraction and an increased incidence of auto accidents. I also expect that if/when achieved, it will be illegal in most states in the USA, with the possible exception of California.

I dunno, you could do it so it effectively advertises your tyres are full depth all over. If you can't see the lights, they're too worn....

VitoM (author)  steveastrouk2 years ago

Thank you all those involved.

mpilchfamily , Vyger , rickharris, iceng, seandogue, Kiteman steveastrouk

If LEDs embedded on tires is a UNSUSTAINABLE idea then remains to try the idea of reflective material on the rubber, or LEDs that highlight wheel reflective material.

VitoM (author)  seandogue2 years ago

Thank you all those involved.

mpilchfamily , Vyger , rickharris, iceng, seandogue, Kiteman

If LEDs embedded on tires is a UNSUSTAINABLE idea then remains to try the idea of reflective material on the rubber, or LEDs that highlight wheel reflective material.

VitoM (author)  seandogue2 years ago

Hi ( SEANDOGUE ).

First of all, Thank you for your feedback, I appreciate the time you devote to the benefit of all, giving your opinion who can help me to take a good decision.

You've answered.
1. LED EMBEDDED IN TIRES, would result in ''unecessary driver distraction''.

My reply.

1/. Well, this may be possible especially in the beginning, when drivers will see for the first time something like this.

But, current LEDs which are mounted both on the bodywork and underbody of car, can be classified today as dangerous for drivers? ?? If your answer is YES, why are they still allowed and seem to not distracting too dangerous any eyes.

You've answered.2. When achieved, it will be illegal in most states in the US.

My reply.

2/. This will be illegal only if the tires don't pass the test traffic safety and durability.

Are my answers logical or justified?

Thank you for your time.

VitoM

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Most place do not allow the added LEDs in the body work and ground effect lighting. Having such lights will get you pulled over and accused of impersonating a police officer. Overall they are made illegal cause they are too much of a distraction for drivers.

I honestly don't see any way you could get LEDs into the tires and have them pass any road standard certifications for safety. But they will be illegal for all the same reasons states have made other car lighting effects illegal.

But if you fell you want to continue with this experiment then you'll want to research retreaded tires. This will be your best bet for laminating the LEDs and wires between the base of the tire and the tread. But as mentioned before the added holes in the tread will leave the tread weakened and offer more points for the tire to shred. Also as mentioned before the Lens of the LED will be destroyed with only a couple of miles of wear. Dirt and grime from the road surface will embed itself into the abrasions and block most if not all the light. Overall a rather pointless endeavor IMHO.

iceng2 years ago

This is a home-run for Burning-man where the speed limit is 5MPH and the road surface is soft sand / tufa like.. Sign me up when your in production !

iceng iceng2 years ago

BTW they used to spike tires for snow where I live But like the plastic in LEDs they were bad on the road and slipped on dry pavement...

VitoM (author)  iceng2 years ago

Thank you all those involved.

mpilchfamily , Vyger , rickharris, iceng, seandogue, Kiteman

If LEDs embedded on tires is a UNSUSTAINABLE idea then remains to try the idea of reflective material on the rubber, or LEDs that highlight wheel reflective material.

VitoM (author) 2 years ago

Thank you all those involved.

mpilchfamily , Vyger , rickharris, iceng, seandogue, Kiteman

If LEDs embedded on tires is a UNSUSTAINABLE idea then remains to try the idea of reflective material on the rubber, or LEDs that highlight wheel reflective material.
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Vyger2 years ago

Your thinking about it in the entirely wrong way. You don't put lights IN the tires, you use use the tires to reflect lights shown on them.

To be more specific : You have lasers mounted just outside the wheel wells with ports they can shine through. Get the laser mechanisms that can create different patterns by quickly drawing an image or design and have those shine on the tires. You will need to have a reflective medium added to the tire rubber. As long as the road dust keeps from obscuring the lasers it would work fine.

By the way, keep in mind that tires are disposable. They are one of the most often replaced items on a car.

VitoM (author)  Vyger2 years ago

Thank you Vyger

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VitoM (author)  Vyger2 years ago

Hi Vyger

You put the problem in a totally different way. And I think this is the RIGHT WAY.

>>>> Why to maker a realy dangerous and difficult lighting mechanism inside the rubber when you can reflect light on it or make it reflective???<<<<<.

Very clevar smart and really good insight about the problem and the idea itself.

I would have liked to grant you the best answer.

Thank you very very, very, much Vyger for this ''rethinking the idea itself''.

rickharris2 years ago

Embedding seems fraught with issues all round - Why not embed reflectors and shine a bright LED at them from under the wheel rim. Seems to solve most issues.

If you can embed snow studs I would think you could either glue a reflector in the groove or as a stud.

VitoM (author)  rickharris2 years ago

Thank you rickharris .

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VitoM (author)  rickharris2 years ago

Hi rickharris

I think it's more reliable and secure your concept idea.

'' Shineing the tyres''.

Thank you very much for it.

Vyger Has a good idea too.

''You will need to have a reflective medium added to the tire rubber''.