What relay would I need to use to switch some 12v LED's using an amplifier?
I have some LED's that run off 12v with resistors I have. I want them to flash in time to music so I am using a small 9v amp soldering that I made a while ago in a design class. What voltage and current do you think the amp will give from the speaker terminals which will be required to switch the relay?
I don't really know how powerful the amp is, I have a multimeter but when I tried to measure the voltage it didn't really work. I think it may have been peaking at about 6v
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Not enough data, how powerful was the amp ! Conceptually it won't really work well . What you might like to do is somesort of LED power meter ? Loud sounds light up more LEDS ?
Jul 24, 2009. 12:53 PMpyro-jim (author)
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edited. Also why shouldn't it work well? There is an instructable similar to this; if you search for music lights it is the first
Just because there's an instructable doesn't make it a good idea. A relay will only come on if the voltage on its terminals exceeds a minimum pull in voltage which is usually pretty close to its rated voltage. So a 6V relay will only pull in on 5.9V. That means your amp has to be banging on at close to its maximum output power to do ANYTHING. It will only respond to sounds below about 10Hz, because relays, being mechanical thingies have inertia which means you can't yank them on and off very quickly (and if you do something will wear out) That will limit just how you can shape the response of your lights. You'd get a much better visual experience with Lemonie's idea, which is on the right tracks with a transistor switch. It would only take one transistor and a pot and you could tweak the lights to suit the volume. A bit more refinement, and playing with something like the LM3915 bargraph chip and you'd have some really neat effects, for very little outlay.
How many LEDs have you got ? Basically you're adding another amp to your exisitng one. Try an old multimedia speaker amp ?
Jul 24, 2009. 2:05 PMpyro-jim (author)
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sorry I don't really understand what you're saying why would I need another amp?
Because you aren't going to get decent brightness out of 12V LEDS (assuming you can't change the resistors)) on an amp with only a 9V supply. Even if you run the amp flat out, you are only going to see something like 7V on the output max. The bigger amp will probably have a higher output voltage, which you LEDS will like. Steve
Jul 24, 2009. 3:06 PMpyro-jim (author)
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The amp could use a seperate voltage supply. Ive been doing a bit of research on transisitors and I'm starting to understand it now
Jul 25, 2009. 1:49 AMpyro-jim (author)
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Could you show me in a circuit diagram or something you mean please. It would really help me, thanks
Jul 25, 2009. 2:41 AMpyro-jim (author)
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I will look into how to do what you talked about; light up more LED's with more sound
http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM3915.pdf
....is the classic chip for it. There are some simple circuit ideas in there too, nothing too hard to build.
Steve
....is the classic chip for it. There are some simple circuit ideas in there too, nothing too hard to build.
Steve
Jul 25, 2009. 6:20 AMpyro-jim (author)
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It doesn't really give the effects I'm looking for so I think I'll leave it for another project. For now I'll stick with just the transistor. Would I need a pot aswell do you think?
Descrie what you are after and I'll have a think..See what the amplifier idea we suggested earlier actually looks like before you mess aout making soimehing
Jul 25, 2009. 6:34 AMpyro-jim (author)
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Well I've seen an instructable that does the same thing using a transistor but they didn't use an amp. I'm not sure whether it would be better with or without it
You could probably switch with a transistor. What exactly do you have, how are they wired and can you knock-up a circuit-diagram? L
Jul 24, 2009. 12:54 PMpyro-jim (author)
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I already know that the relays needs to be able to handle 12v it's the switching voltage I'm not sure of
OK, if you're intent on using the relay, the technical spec' should tell you. Because we don't know what relay you've got I can't. But the relay is going to be a heavier draw than the LEDs themselves or a transistor. You also have a slower response with a mechanical device. I don't think this is the best solution, as you're asking the amp to drive both the speakers and a relay coil.
Give more information on the relay, amp and speakers and I might be able to say more.
L
Give more information on the relay, amp and speakers and I might be able to say more.
L
Jul 24, 2009. 1:21 PMpyro-jim (author)
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There are no speakers because I am using the amp to poer just the relay and I haven't got a relay yet; that's what this question is for
Without knowing the amp it's not so easy to give advice, but I think you'd be better with a transistor switch over a relay. L
And the relay is going to make a clicking noise which will probably annoy you rather than adding to the soundtrack. L
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