What type of signal is coming from a 3.5mm audio plug?

does it create alternating DC voltages? (for example, alternating from +50mV to +200mV)
or does it create only AC voltage (without standing DC) (for example, alternating from +100mV to -100mV) ?

(when referred to the 'ground' wire on the 3.5mm plug which is the thickest connection, closest to the wire itself).



If it's only AC without standing DC on it, then how come the TEA2025B microchip can work fine when connecting it directly to the input pin?
because that would mean the input pin would have no problems with negative voltages applied to it... (with the negative voltages, I mean something like -100mV, coming from the AC input signal).

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auttam says: Jan 24, 2013. 11:09 AM
can anybody tell me pls that by the output of that jack we are able to blink led or not or we can send it as remote or not??? and if yes then how???
Electorials (author) in reply to auttamJan 24, 2013. 1:30 PM
I'm not sure, but I think it must be possible if you connect an LED to the sound output, then you should see it light up if you output a sound.
samaddon says: Nov 3, 2012. 8:10 AM
First thing is what are you considering i the jack is for head phones then there are three wires one of golden color and two of red blue or any other color the golden wire is the negative and the two colored wires are for the the positive terminals .( left and right audio ) in headphones case they emit and very very low voltage of 0.5 to max 2.00 volts and it's for is dc analog means the current is dc but it's analog and it's frequency depends on the type of sound you are listening.
if you will supply 2volts constant to the sound will be of same frequency and less volume! and when you are considered about a mic jack it has only two wires coming out when you will cut it's wire in this case when you speak something the two wires get connected with each other in the frequency you are speaking it's just like a switch which switches on and off as the frequency you are speaking!
i hope this will solve your problem! see ya !
steveastrouk says: Dec 11, 2011. 11:16 AM
The input is AC coupled.
Electorials (author) in reply to steveastroukDec 11, 2011. 11:38 AM
but AC coupling means that the DC component gets filtered out.
so the amplifier Can work with negative voltages?

Or did you mean DC coupled so that a DC voltage gets superimposed on the AC voltage to get alternating DC?
steveastrouk in reply to ElectorialsDec 11, 2011. 11:48 AM
You can't HAVE "alternating DC" Alternating direct current is a complete non-sequitur !!!
Electorials (author) in reply to steveastroukDec 11, 2011. 11:50 AM
I mean a 'changing' DC voltage
steveastrouk in reply to ElectorialsDec 11, 2011. 12:02 PM
Then its AC !

You CAN have AC, with a DC offset.
Electorials (author) in reply to steveastroukDec 11, 2011. 12:11 PM
So that's different in your country then.

I'm 100% sure that my teacher said that you can only speak of AC if there is a zero crossing (change from positive to negative).

Signals that don't cross zero are called DC signals here and if they are not constant, they are called variable DC voltages

(that's how it's like in my country)
steveastrouk in reply to ElectorialsDec 11, 2011. 12:22 PM
"Teachers" are not EEs. Teachers usually have only a bare minimal grasp of the subject.
thegeeke in reply to steveastroukDec 12, 2011. 5:20 PM
+1
Kiteman in reply to steveastroukDec 11, 2011. 12:50 PM
What comes out of a rectifier?

;-)
steveastrouk in reply to KitemanDec 11, 2011. 11:53 PM
AC, with a DC offset. Has it gone non-zero Fourier coefficients ?
Electorials (author) in reply to KitemanDec 11, 2011. 1:11 PM
If we're going to be Very correct here, I'd have to ask you what frequency and which diodes because of the diode's recovery time ^^
astroboy907 in reply to ElectorialsDec 11, 2011. 2:27 PM
ok, you CAN have negative DC current. Its very possible. Many amp datasheets ask for a +12v power supply, as well as a -12v supply. Trust me, ive tried using these.

AC current simply means that the current switches between + and - really fast. There IS a "zero cross". This can be 1v and -1v, or anything, as long as it alternates.

Pulsating current is direct current, but with changes, eg, 5v, boosted to 12v, then down to 5v again.

You can have negative DC pulsting current, for the same reasons you have negative DC and pulsating current.

You can also have Variable current, which is pretty much just any voltage that can change to any voltage.

When in doubt, Wiki.

A
lso, for all others here, I am sorry if this info is misleading/wrong. If it is, please correct so I can better understand :)
steveastrouk in reply to astroboy907Dec 12, 2011. 10:06 AM
Define "0"

It is an arbitrary reference point, and can be where ever you like.
Electorials (author) in reply to astroboy907Dec 11, 2011. 3:06 PM
Thank you!
steveastrouk in reply to ElectorialsDec 11, 2011. 11:48 AM
Looking at the device datasheet, the input is always capacitively coupled, so the AC sound signal is coupled into the (presumably DC offset) input.
Electorials (author) in reply to steveastroukDec 11, 2011. 11:55 AM
Oh so you meant DC coupled input?

Do you also know how they do that? because it would be logic to connect the 'GND' connection from the 3.5mm plug to a non-0V connection from the IC. for example something like 300mV but that connection is connected to the ground so I don't understand how they add a DC voltage to that input signal...
steveastrouk in reply to ElectorialsDec 11, 2011. 12:04 PM
NO !
Its AC coupled - DC can't pass through the capacitor. The parallel resistor between the coupling cap and ground defines the "input" resistance.

Steve
Electorials (author) in reply to steveastroukDec 11, 2011. 12:29 PM
Ok, AC coupled.

So that means AC voltage enters the IC. --> negative currents enter the IC's input too at the negative alternations.

This is why it looks so weird.

and is the input resistor always necessary?
steveastrouk in reply to ElectorialsDec 11, 2011. 12:46 PM
Yes, because you really don't want the very very high input impedance of your amp as the terminating impedance of your input - - its an invitation to admit noise to the circuit and/or RF pickup.
Electorials (author) in reply to steveastroukDec 11, 2011. 1:09 PM
Ok
Electorials (author) in reply to ElectorialsDec 11, 2011. 3:13 PM
what I want to do now, is to amplify the amplitude of an audio signal into the output signal, for a VU meter.

if I just amplify the signal, it wouldn't be a good VU meter, because the negative alternations will then lower the output voltage and that's not good.

Amplifying the amplitude or the peaktopeak voltage of the imput signal would be good because that is proportional with the volume of the sound.

How can I do that with this IC? it would be good to rectify the input signal, and then amplify it, but I can't rectify a 100mV signal with diodes.
steveastrouk in reply to ElectorialsDec 12, 2011. 11:58 AM
It depends on how fussy you want to be.
The classic LM3915 will accept negative inputs, but obviously won't display them - you can see average and peak levels fairly easily.

Next, you can get away with a common emitter amplifier, coupled, via a diode to the input of the 3915. That works for one device.

Failing that, make a "perfect rectifier" using an op-amp and a couple of diodes.

Take a look at the datasheet for the LM3915 - I am sure it is discussed in enough depth to work out something yourself..
frollard says: Dec 11, 2011. 12:13 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_level

from the looks of it it's ac based around 0v ground
Electorials (author) in reply to frollardDec 11, 2011. 12:33 PM
Ahh yes, I found this just above the "Impedances" title:

The line level signal is an alternating current signal, meaning that its voltage varies for example from −2.192 V to +2.192 V. [3]

aelias36 says: Dec 11, 2011. 10:59 AM
Read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_out_(signal)
Electorials (author) in reply to aelias36Dec 11, 2011. 11:36 AM
I don't really understand what's written there :/
what output voltage does a "quiet" signal give? 0V or 300mV?
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