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i dont have access to buy neodymium or much parts like roms and hard drive to slavage dozen of it. all i have are craft magnets.. ceramic type i think...

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[Jack A Lopez]

It is not obvious to me how one goes about making a "magnet motor free enrgy" with Nd-based magnets.  So I don't think you're at real disadvantage there with just having the weaker ceramic kind.

However, some persons (or robots) answering this question will likely tell you your "magnet motor", whatever it is, they'll tell you that such a thing is totally impossible based on thermodynamic arguments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

Anyway, I'm not sure what exactly what kind of "free energy" or "magnet motor" you want to build, but I think there's a good list of them, here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Magnet_Motors

[Jack A Lopez]

The Bedini SG motor should be in that list, but I think for some reason it is not. It's also at PesWiki, here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG

[AndyGadget]

WOW! The David Hamel Motor sound good :-

Supposedly, the "3 cone device" or "3CD" gives forth the principle of perpetual motion via 3-body interaction physics to the zero point energy field via the usage of duality/magnetism and of vibration. Chaos physics induced through 3-body interactions. Chaos induced to provide runaway conditions of acceleration in the apparatus. A method of 'straining the aether' through torsion field interactions through magnetism and extreme vibration.

And it's believed to be Atlantean in origin. 

With all those scientificy words, how can it not work !!!

[Jack A Lopez]

Well it should be scientific-y, considering that David Hamel got his ideas from aliens from another dimension who talked to him through his TV, as explained in the biographical section of the same article, here:
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:David_Hamel_Motor#David_Hamel:_The_Man_Behind_The_Physics

[No-Shi-De]

uhm, are u aware of those rotor with magnets, and by means of repulsion from the stator, it rotates. sumthing like that....

[No-Shi-De]

iim not sure, the sounds a little bads on the second link, but i think he uses strong magnets, or neodymium.

wat im trying to make is sumthing like that if possible w/o using neodymium?

[kelseymh]

No, it won't just rotate. The forces balance.

[Jack A Lopez]

Have you seen this one?
http://www.rexresearch.com/minto/minto.htm

It is essentially a rotary version of "Dippy Drinking Bird"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_bird

And I suspect something like that might actually work, but for that you need easily liquefyable gasses, like freon or propane, not magnets.

As far as magnets go, I have never seen any arrangement of permanent magnets capable of sort of "pushing itself" for more than a fraction of one rotation.

Moreover I would not expect such a thing to be possible, any more than I would expect  a self-driving wheel could be made from springs and counter-weights.   Arrangements of  magnets can be made to
store small amounts of energy, just like springs, and flywheels, and weights can.  Then the thing that you build requires "winding up" to store energy in those various storage elements, and then after a while it  "winds down" because there was only so much energy stored in it.

Ah, but you say that magnets have some sort of mysterious ability to interact with fabric of space itself, and somehow extract energy from it, from space, from the vacuum. 

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...   ;-)

The only other internet resource I can think of for magical magnet motor plans, besides PesWiki, is that place RexResearch, linked above for the Minto heat engine, and here:
http://www.rexresearch.com/index.htm

Just go there, and do a Ctri-F to search for "magnet motor" within the body of the page. I'm pretty sure there's more than one.

[No-Shi-De]

im not sure about this, but i think i saw this in myth buster, a cover is missing in the diagram i think, to provide th lower temp, other wise, kelseymh is right, it just might find a state of equilibrium. but, w8.. i'll re post, i'll try to find what im saying..

[No-Shi-De]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE

like this one..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lXNpOnurw&feature=fvsr

or this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHffliC2whk

however, they're usiing neodymium....

[Jack A Lopez]

Hey thanks for actually posting a link or two reference that which you are asking about.  That is very helpful!

Note that when a YouTube video mentions a name, you can try searching for that name via Google, or narrow the search specifically to  PesWiki's pages.

E.g. the first video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE
you posted says "Perendev" in the title. See:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Perendev_Power_Developments_Pty_%28Ltd%29

Says Mike Brady, head of company named Perendev, was arrested for fraud in Germany last year, and the company closed its doors. I guess that means the oil companies got to 'em. Bummer. They should have made it open source.  ;-)

The third video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHffliC2whk
says "Calloway", and the search returns:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Calloway_Magnet_Motor

In the third video kind of looks it kind of looks like the narrator is "pumping" this motor, by moving the "stator" magnet in his hand back and forth, and that the motor won't run without him doing that.

BTW, have you seen these?

Curie point heat engines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWrTvB-oK94
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LexcwNDW-2s

Rubber Band Heat Engine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBXL93984cQ

[AndyGadget]

A shame that first video doesn't have audio.
You're missing the hiss of the compressed air jet driving it.

[adeksayo]

for real?

[adeksayo]

aww..
wow.... tnx jack... woudnt hav known that... so i guess no one has really ade it possible yet???

p.s. tnx for the info.

[No-Shi-De]

for real?

sorry, i was loged in in my friends name..

[No-Shi-De]

aww..
wow.... tnx jack... woudnt hav known that... so i guess no one has really ade it possible yet???

p.s. tnx for the info.


sorry, i was logged in in my friends name...

[No-Shi-De]

tnx for the links, guess heat can help, but guess it won't be a hundred percent dipendent on mags...

[No-Shi-De]

i guess i'll close this qestion. tnx for the heaads up.

[AndyGadget]

 
That's my guess, although if you read the video's comments, other people have different ideas about how it was set up.
What would happen if that wasn't driven in some way is that the magnets would find an equilibrium state and the motion would stop.

Magnets behave in very strange ways; gyroscopes are another thing like that - their movements are sometimes weird or counter-intuitive -  but they do conform to the established laws of physics.  They don't pull energy from nowhere and they don't run for ever (although with very low friction in an efficient system, they can run for a very long time.)

[7Kelson]

What about giving the hojo motor a try?

[rickharris]

Free energy? Doesn't exist no matter what type of magnets you have.

[No-Shi-De]

uhm.. yes.. what i ment, is, isaw those who made magnets and by means of repulsion, the rotor inside rotates, although i understand that its not 100% free, i just want to try to mimic it, but most i saw uses neodymium magnets.

[rickharris]

You can make an electric motor with any kind of magnet.

[adeksayo]

i didnt ment electric motor, "magna motor"

[No-Shi-De]

i didnt ment electric motor, "magna motor"

sorry, i was loged in in my friends name..