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how to make permanent magnet motor ? is it true it is free energy device?

i heared that permanent magnet motor works on magnet repulsion and it is free energy device that works for life time....... is it true???

shamirt1 month ago

reference for permeability material. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WxgNAsiOXY4

shamirt1 month ago

The law of thermodynamics shown an old school techniques in order to produce energy which definitely can be change to the new law. Who said current law of thermodynamics is not vulnerable? Bullshit who does. Nobody knows the future. Maybe one day one guy will come out with new law and change the whole world. What is energy actually? There are so many types of energy such as pneumatic energy, mechanical energy, electrical energy and etc. but for magnet they do have an energy which are repulsion and attraction energy. This energy can be convert into others energy. How? You have to use permeability material in your concept design in order to produce magnetic motor (free energy device). This magnet have disadvantage if we gather them together. Therefore, The permeability material is one of the key to neutralize the unwanted repulsion and attraction energy between them. Up to this point you have to think your own design which need to combined with permeability material.

azil5 months ago

i was try to make magnet motor but cant rotation may be any body sucsess to build magnet motor please help me

yes we can generate free electricity from magnets + copper wire + spinning motion

you see this video you we will be getting some idea ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR6Qait2JGY

all the best !!!!

OtherUser1 year ago
Well guys I think its worth a shot , dont you?
common look how the electric car was killed.came from an idea and I think creating free energy is a pretty good.
Also true that we will probably pay some money, but at least not to the electricity company every single month, so biggups to the guys that at least try, I`ll back you.
if you want to look like an idiot in front of your teachers, yes it is worth a shot. energy is not free and never will be. As Lavoisier said: Nothing can be created, Nothing can be lost, Everything is transformed.
that applies to energy. for example electricity:
in a wire it will produce a minuscule amount of heat and some electromagnetism. that electricity was tranformed into those things.
in a motor, it gets transformed into electromagnetic force as well as some heat and then into torque and speed to drive the motor shaft as well as some heat again. in a light bulb, it gets converted into light, and into heat again.

My point is: you CANNOT CREATE ENERGY FROM NOTHING.
there will always be something used up in the process and that something will be transformed into electrical energy.
energy neither be created nor be destroyed .ur saying is right but the question is permanent magnet motor works on magnet repulsion and it is free energy device that works for life time....... is it true??? give me exact reply sir
can you explain where a permanent magnet gets its energy from? dont say residual magnetism.
what kind of magnet?
most magnets are magnetized by an intense electromagnetic field.
some rare earths are magnetized naturally, although I would not be able to tell you how, even though I suspect a certain geometry in their structure is responsible for that.
was that what you expected?
or did you want me to simply say "residual magnetism" even though it isn't the answer?
consider the magnetization of a soft iron core (not the naturally occurring process). it gets its magnetic properties after the process is finished. how does it retain its property for such a long time. most say its residual magnetism.
Well what about it? Are you trying to prove a point here? And if so, what is it?
sethzor2 years ago
Here is the answer you are looking for.

There are tons of rumors of people doing things and dying or being hidden as for all that mumbo jumbo it answers no part of this question.
Does it work yes, as we all know it is true that like charges push away.
Will it produce enough push to make energy? if you have the money to build it big enough then yea sure why not.
That being said "There is no such thing as free lunch."
Learn it live it love it.(or at least accept it.)
Perpetual motion works on paper but in the real world things break down. The breakdown rate for magnets ranges from 2 years all the way to 500 years. So it will last your lifetime but just because it out lives you and your kids, so on and so forth, does not make it perpetual it will end at some point.

Any more questions on the matter ask away I have done days of research on things like this.
As far as perpetual motion it is possible because it is evident in nature....the natural water cycle. So it reasons that if someone was able to artificially reproduce that cycle on a condensed scale then he or she could possibly have a perpetual energy source.
veeman Jakcavar2 years ago
That's not true at all. The water cycle is only going because it is getting energy from the sun. It is'nt self sustaining and requires an energy input. Good try though.
grillge veeman2 years ago
Not true
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ever realised that this was a gif format image? or are you just here to troll?
Wow.How laong till we dont see this anymore,huh? Very good.
Jakcavar veeman2 years ago
but if you use part of the energy that can be created from the fall of water to heat the water to create steam then use that steam to create more out flow of energy then you have perpetual motion

so yes you are correct in saying that you need a heat source for the water cycle to work but other the water cycle also happens at night when the son is on the other side of the earth so unless the sun implodes or explodes the water cycle will run forever or until the water completely drys up
veeman Jakcavar2 years ago
But wouldn't you need a 100% efficient way to create the steam? Meaning 1 gallon of water falling would need to heat up 1 gallon of water for it to work. Or am I misunderstanding your concept?
In no way am I saying it doesn't exist I am only 19 and I have been working on a perpetual motion device for almost 8 years now. I have come very close however there is a reason every single person doesn't have one sitting in the back yard. So anyways what I was saying is that anything most people will see on the news or will see on this site for that matter may be long lasting great ideas but at some point any el cheepo is just going to break down.
do you have any suggestions for tesla "magnetic",or like ideas that i could actually apply to my home.My hubby is physically disabled,very dependant upon electricity.Therefore i'm concerned about power outages for longer periods of time .It has happened,i almost lost him.Our son is 4 yrs old.Im taking care myself not trying to b a saint just trying to give him a chance .I need any sugesstions.Where i live the snow weighs down pwer lines snappining them it takes weeks sometimes to get it back.can u suggest anything? Thank you for yopur time and consideration,Nicole.
asifshabir1 year ago
@didgitalpunk
would you like to share with us the working blue prints of that machine. or atleast a video of that machine.
You tiny effort would save a time of lots. Thanks
since I learned since I posted this that this machine was a hoax, I won't bother making a video of it, and I have deleted the solidworks files.
just know that any device that is said to create energy from nothing is a fake, no matter how real it looks and how professional the guy who presents it looks. if you want energy, get a 12V car battery and go from there. it's probably the easiest way of getting cheap reliable energy.
have a nice day!
zyahya11 year ago
nothing is free in this world, everything should be paid either by money or sacrifice, if we said hydropower is clean, the unconscious, we had to pay the environmental damage, the same with permanent magnet motors, we have to pay money to get it , in the same time we realize that we have to support those who make the magnet and resources that would involve environmental damage, in other words we have to realize that what we use today is it worth it for the future we may not know how but the next generation will felt from what we do today. Just we need effort to reduce pollution is getting worse now. smile always ...
yup, I found out the hard way: in front of my teachers.
sifitis2 years ago
The problem with the theory of perpetual motion is that it is, in every sense of the word, perpetual energy. Now, even if you managed to create a device that successfully demonstrated this (which is currently believed to be impossible due the the demand for perfect isolation to prevent ANY form of energy loss as either friction heat, magnetic pull, etc) , you could never get energy out of it without putting some in due to the "law of conservation of energy". The most you could ever hope to achieve is 100% efficency. No intent to shoot anyones grand ideas down, just how physics (as we currently define them) works.
grillge2 years ago
Yes here's proof just copy and past the link to see a v track magnet motor in action , it has room for improvement but it works none the less. http://www.callowayengines.com/msg3.htm
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Most entertaining!Magnetism produces,movement, electricity, hot and cold find out why it can do all these things and you can finish TESLA'S combined Theory.
Home made. magnetic motors are just around the corner.Keep looking
jayman2422 years ago
well after reading this long thought process i figured i would try something of the sort and post detals about how it went, even if they are failures. if anyone could help me with some more general knowledge, such as 'should i make it portable (this meaning should i put the single magnet on the disk, or the 'layout' magnets) , also what materials should i use? please post if you peple come back and read this !?!?

J.A.B.
and7barton5 years ago
Unfortunately the jury is out on this one. The likes of Sterling Allen keep up an optimistic flow of info about "progress", but to date little has been shown that provides acceptible proof that the concept has any real promise. The concept seems simple, to have a wheel consisting of angled magnets, free to revolve inside a ring of oppositely-angled magnets, their fields shielded so as to only project tangentally to the circumference of the rotating part. The problem, as I see it, is that so far, there isn't a truly effective shield material, the result being that some of the magnetic field actually leaks through and opposes the direction of rotation of the rotor. That's as far as my limited knowledge goes on this concept. But I have considered doing some of my own experiments.
Heh, I thought of this in grade 8 and abandoned the idea because you can't shield the magnetic fields.
I don't know of anything that will shield a magnetic field. You can obviously short-circuit a magnet, but then you'd have no magnetic field (or to be more precise, a much reduced field).
" Free energy magnet motor part 3 " on you tube that gives the suggestion that angle iron might be able to quote on quote 'focus' the magnetisom more than steel. if this were proven the better 'magnet controller' then you could be able to follow the therory of having a 2 : 1 magnetic wheel (that simply is this guys plan for "free" energy). Please if anyone has done this test than can you please report back!
here is the video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4oIRd13LFw&feature=relmfu
i figured out if you put a BIG piece of steel on a magnet  it will lose most of the magnetic-ness out o maybe disperse it
Exactly. You can't focus a magnetic field into a "beam" like you can with light.
kelseymh jeff-o5 years ago
There are magnetic shields. We use mu-metal to isolate photomultipier tubes from static magnetic fields in detectors, for example. However, magnetic shielding generally works only against static, and relatively low-strength, fields.
jeff-o kelseymh5 years ago
Neat!! But as you said, the shielding only works for low strength fields. It also looks like you'd need a pretty thick layer, making a PM motor very bulky!
When kelseymh says 'static' fields, he means ones that are not moving. Which seems to defeat the purpose in this case.
Yes ! - A shield that's thicker than the distance the field extends anyway ! The actual design requires that the magnets be pretty close together, leaving only narrow gaps to insert blocking pieces. But has anyone any suggestions as to what material these shields might be made of ? Some kind of non-permeable material - maybe simple plain steel, would block SOME. But would it ne necessary to block ALL of the field ? - Also, would the field "leak" around the ends of the shields to any extent ? Both of these possible problems might result in the machine failing to work.
Who comprises this Jury that hasn't made a decision yet? L
The jury is science - Peer review - repeatable experimental results - nothing has happened. The whole concept is still "Borderline Science".
Please provide citations for your so-called "peer reviewed" articles on this concept. What journals did they appear in? When? Have those articles been cited anywhere else?
I don't know of any authentic repeated experiments - not by any reputable scientists anyway - experiments repeated by other amateur experimenters and inventors don't count. Maybe I'm in error here - but I don't know of any.
Okay, thanks very much for the clarification. The "problem" (which I don't mean disparagingly) with amateurs is that they don't generally document or measure operational parameters with sufficient detail or precision to be useful. Even when they are not hoaxsters (and as you know, this field is rife with them!), amateurs tend to overlook sources of systematic error -- e.g., using a vibrating bearing that can transfer momentum and keep a wheel turning -- or to explain away "failures" of their setup which actually point to fundamental obstacles.
There are scientists who still haven't decided whether this type of free energy really is/isn't? I should think most science - peer review would say "prove it", rather than "maybe"?
Can you link to something scientific that's undecided, I'm interested?
Although this might just be down to the specifics of what we regard science and scientific appraisal to be...

L
If you Google it, there should be plenty to get your teeth into if you want information of the concept of it. I liken it to a turbine, where, instead of say, gas impinging upon the blades of the turbine wheel, you have two opposing (like) magnetic fields impinging upon each other. I wouldn't worry about the semantics of what's scientific and what isn't - I'd worry more about whether this thing could work. The intriguing thing about it is that it's not necessarily "Perpetual Motion"...... We could consider the magnetic field to be an energy input, although exactly what a permanent magnet's field actually is, could be discussed and argued about lengthily. That strange character Ed Leedskalnin seemed to have discovered many years ago, something of a similar nature, and possibly anti-gravity too.
I meant some real scientific judgment, rather than what you can trawl off the internet. As people go in general, free energy is as credible as space-aliens, ectoplasm, bigfoot etc. I thought you were referring to something more authoritative, but that's why I said it might just be down to the specifics of what we regard science and scientific appraisal to be L
Where does the energy you extract, or the energy lost to friction come from ? Steve
I imagine you are extracting it from the magnetic field. It would eventually deplete the magnet. I'm not even sure you can extract energy from the device in any practical amount. It may even be found to be a cousin of the Crookes Radiometer - Spins around fast but it's useless for any practical purpose. I wouldn't consider it to be "Perpetual Motion", because if it's extracting energy from the magnetic field of the magnets, and depleting it, then it's not perpetual.
zaiedishaq2 years ago
There is no such thing as free energy but it definitely the cheapest.
dlapain3 years ago
There has only been one person in the world who as actually made a perpetual motion machine and he was just some old hobbyist who love playing with magnets he didn't attach any energy harnessing attributes to it but he got it to work (I forget his name but he appeared on a documentary before) his machine consisted of a ball that moved around in a perfect circle of precisely placed magnets under and over a track, which the ball moved a bunch of pendulums beneath it, the machine I believe is in vaulted up in a museum somewhere. and the guy is under some kind of witness protection program at the moment, because of the many people that would want to kill him to keep big company money making energy sources around because of all the jobs that would be lost. Which brings up another point anyone who creates such a machine successfully is gonna be in immediate danger if they introduce it to the public. So it's better to keep a low profile. Anyways back to the machine he made if he put magnets on the bottom of the pendulums and copper coils beneath them would it collect any energy whatsoever.
Nikola Tesla.... haha. And youre the first person Ive read bout who also knows... O.o
Nikola Tesla ? hmmm... I would not be surprised but thanks for the post I have been studying magnetic energys for some time did you know you can transfer energys between magnets! I drained one magnet making the other stronger in one of my experiments now I wanna figure out how to make it do so in a circle so no rotating parts is required and have copper coils absorb the energy into electricity and send power back to the electromagnets that send the power to the other magnets. I don't follow physics books by the way I just do! because physics books were written by human hands so can't always be true (but do have good points don't get me wrong). the only problem I have with what I'm doing is I can't see what is actually happening
BC5451 dlapain2 years ago
You mentioned that you transferred the magnetic energy from one magnet to another magnet? I am very interested to know how, is it hard to duplicate your experiment?
dlapain BC54512 years ago
The experiment is very precise, and I have found out to my surprise very dangerous proceed with Extreme caution! Overheat can happen and magnets and the metals can crack and become attached to each other like a bullet (meaning you'll lose body parts if not careful, though I never did I almost did)
BC5451 dlapain2 years ago
Thanks for your reply and the warning of overheating. May you please describe of your experiment, how did you do it? and did you take any pictures or video on your experiment?
dlapain BC54512 years ago
A circle of iron rods wrapped in copper which then the copper is looped back to electromagnets and then in between the loops you have magnets which then point to the copper, well im having trouble explaining this, but i dont give out documentation to anyone instead i give clues on how to do it, not trying to be a pest but if this got out it would change a lot of things, but anyway, its a circle that implements every form of magnetism put in a precise pattern to transfer the magnetic forces in order to produce electricity with no friction except in the copper on a microscopic scale
WOW!! Thats incredible! I did not know that about the transference of magnetic energy! And I think its wonderful what youre trying to do. You should send me a personal message and we shall keep eaaach other updated on our endeavours : ) I'm just attempting different variations of the classic magnetic motor for my first time >.<
Thanks for the comment I'm usually very busy, I took this long to write back so you see my point.
Magnet motors have been pursued, by many over the years, to the point that a Turkish born citizen has one that is quite powerful and runs with frightening output. But the one dirty little secret that all the MagMotor Experimenters WON'T tell you is this. All magnet motors use a mixture of magnetic attraction AND repulsion, there for they ALL over heat after an extended time period and have to be turned off, allowed to cool and then you can play with them again! The 'Holy Grail' of Motors is the motor that spins magnets over an extra set of coils that powers the device AFTER it is started using a simple circuit that recaptures magnetic flux and converts that flux back to electricity, in real time, and you can tap into that energy and use it to power you life! The beautiful thing about such a device is that is runs COOLER than ambient. Remember this name, 'Magnetic Air Motors', this company has built the first true Magnetic Power Generator and has a working prototype that shaves $500 off the top of their energy bill to their workshop. They are providing the opportunity for Phd and scientific types to come test their invention to try and disprove their claim. As yet none have been successful. Their device runs up to 10 degrees below ambient ALL THE TIME! It is the first such device to perform in the realm of 'Over-unity!' All kidding aside, this time, someone got it right!
cShellPro2 years ago
Most electric motors use a set of permanent magnets and a set of electromagnets which repel each other. If you replace the electromagnet with another set of permanent magnets, you get a magnetic motor.
rickharris5 years ago
No nothing for free.
If you could encase each magnet in a cylindrical tube of a material that could block a magnetic field it would help, except that the repulsing field is going to bulge out of the end of the tube and each magnet on the rotor as it approaches, is going to "see" that repulsive field BEFORE IT REACHES IT - So you are going to have a braking effect. If there were some way it could only see the field AFTER IT HAS PASSED the magnet's tip, then you'd have just a propulsive thrust, and you'd have a viable machine. You cannot project a field like the beam of a flashlight. I think this just about sums it all up, and I've just succeeded in convincing myself that the whole idea all a load of rubbish.
Use the horseshoe effect see if that fixes the problem, because both negative and positive can pass through each other with no problems when that shape is applied and it evens the fields
and7barton5 years ago
I'd suggest, if you want to experiment - use Neodymium disk magnets, joined together to make a set of cylindrical magnets. These are very powerful - See Ebay item 140323267176 for an example. For a rotor, you could use a record-player turntable assembly though something larger would be better. You need a fairly large diameter so you can mount the magnets to as close to the ideal tangental angle as possible. I'd mount them using some kind of clamping system to allow for repeated re-positioning. I think the "timing" of the interaction between magnets is probably extremely critical to this machine. You need (in my opinion, for what it's worth), to have opposing pairs, or even SETS of opposing pairs, lining up at every few degrees of turn of the rotor so they can interact and provide thrust. I don't believe just having a evenly, but arbitrarily-spaced ring of magnets on the rotor and stator will necessarily result in success. It would be like having a 12 cylinder engine where the cylinders fire in random sequence ! - For half the time, some firing cylinders would be making no contribution to the motion at all. So I think you'd need to carefully work out a layout where there's at least a couple of pairs interacting (in the direction of motion) for every few degrees of turn of the rotor. To this end, a LARGE diameter rotor must be better. and well-balanced and mounted upon needle-bearings for a virtually frictionless rotation.
You might want to check prices.

Those magnets you suggested are the lowest commonly available grade of material (N35), but when you include shipping are being sold for 0.34 GBP/cm3 ($8.90 per cubic inch). You can find much better quality (N42) for less than 0.17 GBP/cm3 ($4.50 per cubic inch).
Ask computer stores for old 80's and 90's hard drives they have those type of magnets in them I am not expecting a reply since this post I am replying to is written 2 years ago but I just figured I would leave a tip for everyone else. some computer places give them away for free if they are old enough
chungsan4 years ago
Chek It out.

http://www.youtube.com/user/theENERGYDREAM#g/u
and7barton5 years ago
I think, for the price or a dozen or two high-power bar magnets and some work, you could set up a very low-friction rotating disc and do some experiments of your own, but what would you propose for suitable shielding to direct the field ?
lemonie5 years ago
No - the free energy bit is not true. Do you still want to build a motor?

L
i agree with the fact that energy is not free....but thats speaking so literally....what if we agreed that energy we recieve from the sun or earth is "free" because we dont have to do anything for it to be created. we just harness it. kind of like a parasite. also to raise another question, about magnetic engery, i think that a magnet is one of the most efficient forms of a battery we can make. (very generally speaking)does anyone agree? and here is my reasoning behind that statement: It takes molting steel and electricity to make a magnet and those require engery (obviously) but what im trying to get at is that the magnet absorbs the most energy, thus making the harnessing of the energy the MOST EFFICIENT compared to a battery or a motor or whatevever. for instance our car engine loses OVER HALF of the energy it creates from gas through heat. (energy is heat which is in turn molecular motion/destablization)thus making the motor inefficient. but a magnets energy as far as i know doesnt create heat (assuming no friction) and can be turned into linear motion. plus it looses its energy over a long period of time which in leads me to believe that its either loaded with all of this unexplainable energy or it very slowly releases the energy that it has contained, none the less....it can last longer than a battery which is why i think its better...we just need to figure out how to harness it....which brings everyone back around to the topic at hand haha.
There have to dat been no proven successful purely magnetic motors 9although you can find supposed demos on the internet.

There is no such thing as magnetic shielding material that is not magnetic.

About the closest is this demo that as far as I know is still running but obviously only just produce enough energy/movement to keep itself running. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7YB7eiOeQ

The statement free energy relates to the idea you could (perhaps) build a machine that produced more energy than it used and so drive itsellf, so called over unity engines. Another name is perpetual motion. Not possible under our current understanding of the laws of physics.
yes there have. several people have done it, i think one or two groups got one to power a house. it used a lightweight plastic frame that turned because of magnets on the rotar and inner casing, which then turned a shafter with an alternator or generator on the end. but it was pretty big. and i suppose the house didn't consume much, but it worked.
The energy you get from electromagnetism (of this type) comes from doing work against the magnetic field. It's not being juiced out of the magnet, it's the hard-work turning the thing. L
and7barton5 years ago
Additional : It reminded me of the energy used in turning wind turbines. Even this isn't "FREE" energy, it's using a source of energy that is external to the system - namely the energy of the Sun. Likewise WAVE energy (for generating electricity) - This is extracting energy from the Earth's rotation. I think the only thing a magnet motor CAN being xtracting energy from, is the actual magnet itself.
Well? Im not good in physics but i think i still have my common sense. Free Energy is energy we can tap without paying it. We never pay for the sun to shine just to collect solar energy, and same with the wind, we never pay for the wind to blow as strong as we need to make the wind turbine rotate. Am i wrong?