would it be possible to bulk up gold flake for scrap ?

would it be possible to bulk up gold leaf/flake of a high purity with a resin/hardener to scrap ? as the jeweller will take a filing to test  would the bulking agent be minimal to detect  because it not being an alloy/metal ?

love a bit of knowledge about this before i buy 30 kg of gold flake/leaf

;-P

thanks   MAGIXO

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Re-design5 years ago
Don't mess with it at all. It's more valuable loose than if you try to consolidate it with glue. Even casting it in a brick may devalue it unless you know how to smelt gold. You have to use chemicals such a borax or you end up with impurities and less value. I speak from experience.
rickharris5 years ago
In most countries this is called fraud.

You may as well try to sell the empire state building or London bridge.

Bullion dealers aren't silly and will assay any Un-hallmarked gold to see what is in it - their chemists aren't that easily fooled,.

If you buy gold in any form you will pay more for it than the scrap worth. Isn't that obvious?
magixo (author)  rickharris5 years ago
ASSAYING ? jewellers dont assay items only certain listed places do the "ASSAYING" or "HALLMARKING" because otherwise everyone would be doing it

jewellers PURITY TEST GOLD

think you have got a little bit muddled up on a few things lol

thankyou for all the other sensible responses
MAGIXO :)
To assay is to "assess", same root word. A jeweller who DIDN'T assay what he was being offered would be pretty stupid.

A "purity test" IS an assay.

Steve
Oh yes they do - If the "gold or silver" is un-hall marked they either offer a stupidly low value and take the risk or they will on the spot assey it to estimate the amount of valuable metal in there.

I said Bullion dealers if you read correctly -  (please don't "shout" at me.

I have made jewellery for over 20 years and returned many pounds of scrap for cash.

What do you think an Assey is other than a purity test?  How to is documents here

In the UK anyone can Assey although the end result may not be official - in fact anyone can have their own personal  hall mark AND hall mark products - you then have to send it off to an approved Assy office to have a small amount removed to test and approve the quality is as hall marked They then put their official qualitative hall mark on the product - This is why you often see 2 separate hallmarks on jewellery - The maker AND the Assey office.



magixo (author)  rickharris5 years ago
DONT ACTUALY THINK ITS FRAUD !!! BECAUSE I AM NOT "STATING" WHAT THE ITEM IS PRIOR TO SELLING AND IF THE IMPURITY IS LOWERED BY WHATEVER MEANS THEN ITS NOT A CASE OF SELLING THE EMPIRE STATES FOR LONDON BRIDGE BECAUSE ITS NOT BEEN STATED AS.. IE ...22K WHEN IN FACT ITS 9K ..WITH A VIEW TO SELL IS NOT ....FRAUDULENTLY SELLING SOMETHING ...BECAUSE YOU ARE ASKING THEIR OPINION...WITH A VIEW TO SELL AND WHAT WOULD THE POLICE DO ???? JAIL SOMEONE WHO HAS STUCK SOME RESIN IN A LUMP OF GOLD ON WHAT GROUNDS ? THE OLD LAW OF THOU SHALT NOT IMPURIFY GOLD LAW ? I THOUGHT JEWELLERS DID THIS ANYWAY WHEN TRANSFORMING 24K INTO 9K RINGS SURELY IT COMES FROM THE GROUND IN 24K PURITY SO WHERE DOES 18K AND 9K COME FROM ?

thankyou for the other sensible responses

regards magixo
Don't "shout" see my other reply.
+1
Almost sounds like your trying to cheat the system here. Are you trying to resell $50 of gold leaf for more then what you paid for it. Adding resin or some other agent to the gold to bulk it up so it weighs more isn't going to fool anyone. The cash for gold places look for that kind of thing.
magixo (author)  mpilchfamily5 years ago
how do jewellers/refiners transform 24k gold into 9k then surely not by bulking up the gold to impurify it ?


bonkers !
They alloy it with other metals - mainly copper and silver and then sell it as 9Kt gold.
If your looking to reduce the karat purity and thus the value of it then you mix it with other metals not resins. To get 9 karat gold you combine 9 parts gold with 15 parts of another metal thus creating a 9 karat gold alloy.
magixo (author)  mpilchfamily5 years ago
GRATSI

:) MAGIXO
frollard5 years ago
Gold is gold is gold....until you add glue, then it is gold and glue and loses most of its value.

Do it the old fashioned way; melt it down.
magixo (author)  frollard5 years ago
thanks for the sensible response
apparently to test gold flakes you need a rf heat gun i presume its some kind of sealed vapourizer unit
but have been told by someone that a few places that actually buy the leafy stuff as it is i will pop in see what they say

cheers MAGIXO :)
A stupid idea, because all the dealer needs to do is a basic density test - and then call the police.
magixo (author)  steveastrouk5 years ago
oh yes police arrest people nowerdays on
the thou shalt not impurify gold to possibly sell law ?

thought jewellers did this when reducing pure gold from the ground into 9k gold rings

bonkers ! lol

thankyou for the other sane responses