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A massive AD! Round 3

First AD attack: I was just surfing around on instructables until I came across this massive AD of macs! It there some kind of bug on the AD?



Second AD attack: I first thought I have been redirected to another web, but... Now instructables home page has the same layout as the AD it self! NORTON!



Third AD attack: Norton strikes again...



You can customize instructable header to your like to try eliminate the weird layout linked to the AD by following this forum. I hope this helps!

DJ Radio4 years ago
Ibles has let apple and norton advertise on their site like this so they can get more money to keep the price of pro accounts low.
tech-king4 years ago
i go away for a few months and the site goes to yellow hell......
Plasmana (author)  tech-king4 years ago
Same, that what caused me to leave instructables for a while, now it may happen again. There also have been so many changes on instructables, I don't like changes... :-(
changes scare ppl
Plasmana (author)  Sandisk1duo4 years ago
Big time to those who has Asperger..
I forgot what that was. Educate me.
AAAAAAAAAH!!! It's attach of the killer norton blobs! RUN FOR COVER, SAVE THE IBLES ROBOT!!!!
good point; we must protect the robot from nortons power-craving architecture.
Plasmana (author)  tech-king4 years ago
Yeah, I just hope they don't paint those freaking weird black circles on him... :-O
Derin Plasmana4 years ago
Oh an ethernet cable on the norton servers! *reads label* Label:Leads to Instructables Robot QUICK GET ME MY CRIMPERS
Derin Derin4 years ago
Imma redirect the wire to that photo flash cap to KILL the servers!
How about one of the 50,000V one of a tesla coil?
same; i hate the categorised forums.
It's revenge I tell ya.
Derin4 years ago
Round 3!Also,this is new.Check the system clock.
Plasmana (author)  Derin4 years ago
System clock? Where?
Derin Plasmana4 years ago
I say my pic didnt post.
Kwitmeh34 years ago
It's happening AGAIN!
Joe Martin4 years ago
Eww, Norton.
After the Apple ad, I'm surprised Microsoft didn't put an ad up yet...
ewilhelm5 years ago
Check out http://nytimes.com/ right now. I'm proud that we're running similar campaigns as the New York Times.
For apple to want to advertise on Ibles like this is a great move forwards. Biggest specific advertiser to date? And, the advert is some what relevant, the materials used by apple, really do set some new standards in computer manufacture.
but the thing is, that apply is the least green company there was a study done, about how green companies are, apple refused to participate Microsoft was close to the bottom of the list (least green)
It can't be branded as the least green company if the didn't participate. That's like, loosing a race you never signed up for.
the computers are about the same eco impact as real pcs (in fact a mac is a pc. just put in a glossy white plastic box) the computers have the same power management capabilities as real pc the portable devices are not as good as high end devices with similar specs from other manufacturers (mostly problem with the ipods with hard drive). they force the users to buy new ones more often therefore there is more pollution the real impact of apple is in stuff like selling os only with computer etc. it forces users (that dont want to be pirates) to buy a mac when all they really want is the os and they could run it on the existing pc (but in my opinion pcs allready have superior os like windows xp and linux) if you look carefully at the impacts of itunes drm maybe youll see something else environmentally bad too greenpiece is not some1 to trust. there is stuff you can estimate yourself and get to conclusions. and thats what you should do
Every single comment you have made their, is factually incorrect. Do you just make these things up so you can hate on apple? Its ok, you don't need to answer, as the answer is Yes.
the only thing that makes the laptops in the ad greener is the desktop wallpaper they display. anything else is just the hype that surrounds everything apple make with apple macs being nothing more than pcs with apple logo on them they are not different from real pcs what does make the difference then ? minor stuff likebundling computer with operating system i believe that the only thing that makes apple look different from the other pc manufacturers is the amount of hype and their marketing strategies
your right, the only difference is how they are built, same parts inside. So, find me, and slim all in one pc, with a high quality screen equal to a $600 lacie. Made from aluminum.
i dont think there are any pcs like that with aluminium box

if you drop the al requirement check out imac vs dell xps one (there are few spec groups in each)
The aluminum build quality and high recyclability are two of the main things im pointing out.
maybe. but is the mac built of aluminium either ? iirc its plastic
Its high grade machined aluminum.
ok now look at this all in one computers are less green than other computers cause their upgrade ability is lower the dell has higher specs which mean that it will take more time to become obsolete (the os difference says nothing to me cause practically any os can be installed on any of the computers) some pc laptops do have aluminium case
Altho an all in one computer is less upgradable. Alot of PC users go the lifespan of thier system without upgrading. The main thing people upgrade is RAM, and the iMac has a specific user friendly slot so that anyone can manage it. They are more green than normal computers however, due the their low energy usage (far out ways any upgrade problem that you point out) You make a valid point about the higher specs, but, again, the iMac has top of the range construction and 3rd party components. Not only that, but, alot of PC's end up getting chucked, as when they get to about 5 years old, people can never get much money for them, a quick trip to ebay will show you the great second hand value of Macs, they are recycled untill they die in most cases. I paid £1000 for an iMac, then sold it for £500 5 years later, the same can not be said of a PC. That is because apple build their computers to last.
high quality is not unique to apple. dell optiplex (except a model that had bad capacitors) last for many years. even old pentium 3 - 4s sell not bad i checked out GX 150 and GX 280. notice that the full tower boxes sell better than the slim boxes - i think its cause they use mostly standard parts and are more upgradable. the most important parts are those that die fast - fans and drives and power supply. in the full tower boxes they are standard parts i own myself a second hand 2001 GX 150 full tower. it is P3 1 GHZ 256 M. i upgraded hard drive (seagate noisy 20 to wd silent new 80) and downgraded video card (voodoo 3 to onboard i810). it performs great and fast
The level of quality is not unique to apple. But is no where near to that of Dell, take some of the high gaming stuff from HP, and you stand a chance, the black bird for instance. One of the Lian PC's. Apple is the single largest consumer seller of PC's for a reason.
the quality of dell is very high. high to the point where nearly all computers are obsolete before they stop working the only reasons why apple is large are the operating system (and yet most users prefer windows for various reasons) their marketing (they advertise themselfes as being other and better than pcs allthough they are not different at all) where i live apple does not make much marketing. therefore their computers / ipods / other products are rare (way more rare then hp compaq for instance)
Not the mass amount of dells i have come accross, both in work and outside of work. You can fight the PC side all you like, but do it with someone other than dell.
lenovo - good boxes (and great laptops) dell - the desktops i have seen are tough and well designed in everything from silent work to easy service hp compaq - i dont think they are as good
the ibm stuff is good. The dells ive seen have been far from everything you have said, and ive worked with them both as an technician and service sales member. And also as work computers. Hp were the best in terms of track record, only beaten by apple and sony.
all the dells i saw (from both in and out) or worked with were great in hardware. same grade as ibm i saw a limited amount of hp compaqs from in and out. they are not designed as well. i dont know about their toughness but i think they are less tough too i saw 3 macs from outside only (2005 emac at school and 2006 - 2007 mac minis at friends) + have a functional apple IIc (that i would not compare to modern computers) sony desktops ? never seen any
The sony desktops are starting to get closer to the iMacs, though still using plastics mainly. I've seen hundreds of all the main brands, i used to have a job in a pc sales and repair place. (called pc world). In the last year or so, the HP laptops have really been setting the standard for the rest of the market. Also, may i add, it is nice that this has actually turned into a discussion, rather than disintegrating into trolling.
are hp really the standard ? i seen them from outside and i really prefer thinkpads over them (thinkpads are made of aluminium + i know of personal experience how much they can survive and work after that. fall from 1.5 M without any damage (except scratches) and fall into a pool of water while powered up are 2 examples) i am not really apple hater or pc lover or anything. my points are apple are just pcs and are not different from any other pcs. claims that there are macs alone vs pcs alone are just wrong apples products and services are built to work together - unlike many other manufacturers that focus on wide compatibility (plug and play on any windows / linux box without installing software or changing settings). i think that higher compatibility is far more important than many other factors i found os x very hard to use (compared with windows kde gnome which i had no trouble to learn in minutes without any help or seeing how others work with them). this is why i think windows is better - it may not be built as good (which is changing a lot since xp) but is way easier to undrstand
(plug and play on any windows / linux box without installing software or changing settings) Apple invented plug and play, if i plug something in, it just works, non of this rubbish with balloons popping up saying new drive found. on mac, i just loads. no problems. I understand your preference, but you lack full all round knowledge on the subject.
if you plug something in on a mac - it works. but when i say plug and play i mean plug everywhere and play as in if you plug it into a windows or linux box or a dvd player that has the ability to write to the disk. you can drag stuff to it from the desktop and it is able to just play it in linux there are no baloons except the one you really need (the one from which you open the device or do something else). you can disable it if you want with few clicks in vista / 7 i dont know. i would not expect those found new hardware baloons there. they are more appropriate for xp that was designed with floppies in mind
No, i mean, its plug and play, across the board, all my devices get used across all three OS, flash drives, ext hdds, cameras, no problems. You plug something in, it mounts it on your desktop, you want to eject it, you just drag it to the trash, non of this ejecting your device safely rubbish.
in fact dragging the icon to the trash / safely remove / eject are the exact same operation. but thats great example to what i am talking about could a user ever guess that he should drag the icon to the trash ?? no way. if i was noob my common sense would suggest that it would wipe out the drive or something like that and not prepeare it for eject. i would not ever think that the recycle bin is somehow related to ejecting drives could a user guess that he should click the icon in the task bar ? probably more chance. the icon shows removing the drive from the computer could a user understand the hint kde 4.2 gives him ? (a button with the well known eject sign in the baloon next to the drive name) sure he can for the second question - imagine i bought an ipod (the most common one). my computer is a standard xp or linux box with a huge folder of mp3s. what should i do to be able to play some of them on the ipod ?
Well the drag to trash is just one way a user can do it, there is also an eject button next to the drive in all finder windows, and where ever the drive is, also, you can right click and click eject. What sets apple apart is that they do aim to make an interface that anyone can pick up and use. In terms of iPods, all the big brand mp3 players have great interface programs to use with the player, for apple, thats itunes, and the iPod is the only mp3 player where by people use the program both for iPod syncage, and for playing music. Again in itunes, you get a little eject icon next to your ipod.
polyrap there is no air i go up to continue
gmjhowe gmjhowe5 years ago
Here is a shot, to show you..
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Kiteman gmjhowe5 years ago
Why are you two arguing? Neither of you is about to go and buy a new computer as a result of this exchange - the whole thing is bootless.
gmjhowe Kiteman5 years ago
Actually, if you read from my comment earlyer
Also, may i add, it is nice that this has actually turned into a discussion, rather than disintegrating into trolling.

Im guessing 11010010110 is also enjoying the discussion, as he continues to converse.
Kiteman gmjhowe5 years ago
Oh! OK - hard to tell the tone of voice from typed text, of course.

Carry on...

Clasps hands behind back, proceeds in a northerly direction...
gmjhowe Kiteman5 years ago
Indeed, and age old problem of the internet. Normally, if its an argument, i slash them with a wit filled sharp comment, then leave while im still ahead.
cmon. we are not trying to move each other to another computer either
My mom is still using a Mac we bought in 1995. Can you say the same of a PC?
todays macs are in fact pcs so you can directly compare the specs and see one of my other desktops (which i use often) is 1999 pentium 3
laptops are supposedly more power efficient then desktops, so they are a tiny bit greener then apple's desktops
i dont think their laptops are any greener than comparable pc laptops
if you used a kill-a-wat, you would see that laptops can process more efficiently then desktops
thats right without any kill a watt

less heat = less electricity used

i mean that mac laptops are not greener than pc laptops
in terms of power used.. yes, in materials.. no
any data in watts ?
well, if you look at how many watts the adapter uses, no more then 100W compared to a 300w psu...
i am talking about mac laptop vs pc laptop not laptop vs desktop computer
oh. you would have to do some math.. CPU speed/max current draw do that for macbook and for some pc laptop, preferably with the same cpu speed
it depends on many stuff

how much every single component takes ?

what software is it running ? cpu and hard drive use different amount of power under different loads. different os may disturb the cpu or drive less or more frequently when at the desktop (no user activity)

what power management functions are enabled ?

how efficient is the power block ? (relevant only when working on ac)

a quite accurate estimate is

used power = battary capacity / time it holds on battery

battery capacity (watt hour) = battery volts X battery AH

to compare the computers they should be run in the closest condition possible (start from full battery and same screen brightness etc)
i'll leave the testing to companies like microsoft and apple
then get ready to hear each of them claim that they are the gerrnest and the others suck
apple is already claiming that in the ad!
Ignore those studies, they only try and pull down big companies. They do it to cause a stir and get attention.
Why on earth would we ignore the studies? Do you have proof that the studies are biased?
Its greenpeace...
That alone isn't really a valid argument...
I was never arguing, all i did was point out they pushing forward with recyclable materials.. everyone is always so ready to shoot other people and their opinions down. Why can we just all be happy that someone is considering recycled materials? and more importantly, that the biggest seller of consumer PC's is advertising on ibles?
I meant "argue" as in the legal sense, not disagreement. I'm not the one shooting other people and their opinions down. I don't see why they wouldn't participate in a study like that if they're such an awesome company. (which, BTW, doesn't appear to be the case, it seems that apple was simply ranked by the study and participation wasn't required for ranking) Sure I'm happy that ibles has an advertising contract with them, but that doesn't blind me to the fact that they at least appear to be somewhat shady.
They aim to make money, people forget this for big companies, they have to make profit to survice, especially against market hogs like microsoft.
I'm not saying no, just that they appear to be bad for the environment according to some studies.
jeff-o gmjhowe5 years ago
And yeah - having a huge advertiser like Apple is great news! I'm happily typing away on a 5-year-old G5 tower right now...
gmjhowe jeff-o5 years ago
Same also, but its very underpowered for my job. I have a nice new alu iMac at home though.
Plasmana (author)  gmjhowe5 years ago
It turns out that my G5 computer likely has an faulty power supply, and they are expensive to replace... So I brought another computer which is a powermac G4. it is working and it has similar specifications like the faulty G5 has. :-)
you should be able to get a decent amount selling the G5 as spares or repairs!
Plasmana (author)  gmjhowe5 years ago
Yeah, I dad is selling it for me on ebay. Do you know how much a faulty G5 computer should sell for as faulty on ebay?
jeff-o Plasmana5 years ago
The best way to check is to look for other auctions, if any.
Plasmana (author)  jeff-o5 years ago
About £100 to £300 for a faulty G5.. I got my faulty G5 for £150.
jeff-o Plasmana5 years ago
You might be able to find a replacement PSU on eBay... worth a shot, I guess.
Plasmana (author)  jeff-o5 years ago
I could do, but I don't wish to dump all of my money and find it still don't work...
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without itunes (or itunes alternative or changing the ipod default settings) - can i unpack the ipod and plug it in and drag mp3 files to the window ?

the eject option is ok then if it is easy to spot
Its very easy to spot the eject options. The said drag and drop for an mp3 player, normally only applies to low end small sized mp3 players. As i said, ALL the good quality big brand mp3 players, use their own programs, sony, zune, creative, to name a few. Part of the reason the iPod is popular, is how usefull itunes is. Also, iTunes is an extension of a normal window. In that, you can drag and drop files into it as if it was part of the OS, or you can easily delete, change view, you can drag and drop to the iPod itself, or set the iPod to auto update.
this is a huge downside of ipod and the other players which act like that when i buy a device i want it to be plug and play. no plug and go install software (no matter how easy it is to install) the fact you need itunes to sync it drops the ipod to below the untitled chinese players - which accept and are able to play any mp3 you drag to them using any file manager in any operating system without need to install extra stuff. this includes the computer at friends home or in school library or the dvd player etc. the main task of ipod is portable media player and not usb dongle for itunes several users may think that itunes is t3h best. to me it is useless cause i allready have the player and file manager of my choice (ones that dont bother to enforce stupid drm upon me by the way). but it is required. the untitled chinese product that costs 1/4 the price and has similar capabilities does work with my software of choice. and they are not that flimsy - mine is alive and performs well despite that it goes with me everywhere thru everything like if it was pikachu apple could make the ipod usable as much as possible without requiring itunes. this would not reduce the value of ipod or itunes in any way - if you like itunes you can still install it i dont know about creative today but we had a muvo 2 fm somewhere and it used to sync perfectly on my linux box with just a file manager
It would seem to me, alot of your problems and annoyances come from using a less standard OS, being linux, i had this through before, and you have just confirmed it. To me on the other hand, i love having itunes to orginise my music, just like i have iphoto to orginise my pictures, a sepcific program designed to help me orginise the said media in the most efficient and simple way. I see your point about the cheap players, but, i also like to be able to watch HD video, or browse the internet, or check my emails, like my iPod allows me to do. I guess, really, the iPod touch is no longer a mp3 player, but more like a pocket sized netbook.
imagine you want to buy a swiss knife. you have a choice of 2 products. one is smooth and shiny and has dc in socket and comes with power adapter. the other is stamped of steel and has sharp and not very accurate edges and comes without anything else the descriptions on them say : knife (needs plug in to ac) + flashlight (needs plug in to ac) + screwdriver + lighter (needs plug in to ac) + cork opener + wire cutters + file + saw knife + screwdriver + lighter + saw i would go with the secon one. why ? i think its obvious. i do have ac at home and at friends homes but i want it to be able to work everywhere i am a linux user. it would take me exactly a minute to install gtkpod and sync an ipod my point is another. everything i said would hold if i used windows. my point is about ability to utilize the abilities of my devices to the max where ever i am and whatever computers are around me i think that stuff should be built mainly for the widest functionality possible under different circumstances. not for being perfect in ideal conditions. not for being visually pleasing. stuff that you can take on you everywhere and get the most out of it - even if its most is not very high this relates also to the fire extinguisher battle we had about the use of flash for insts slideshows
You see, i understand you thinking, but, i want a device that excels at what it does, i want it to always work, just how i want it. It needs to be well built, and reliable, in my line of work, i can not afford to have something not work. If im booking an appointment with a client, my iPod needs to work perfectly, and then auto sync itself with my Mac, and iCal. My photos need to auto sync with my iPod so that i have my latest Portfolio at hand. We both have different needs, which is exactly why i understand the need for different OS's. But, having said that, there is alot about Mac OS X, that many people do not know exists, and many peoples views are 'tainted' by rumours, and old problems, like the 'right click' argument, that so many a noob brings up. For me, things have to work, thats why i use Macs, and why i use everything else i use.
everyone wants stuff to work you speak about a known set of stuff which works well together (and note that most of it is by apple) i speak about ability to work as much as possible in a wide variety of circumstances - moving stuff around between many computers which run anything between linux or windows 98 - vista in various levels of good maintenance or broken-ness. when i need to do anything like copy a folder of mp3s from friend's player to mine using a school library computer (windows with restricted user account) and rush with it to the stage arts to plug the amp to its headphones socket (with twisted wires skills cause plug does not fit). or just move presentations and docs between computers with different versions of ms / open office about the noob part - i know myself what you are speaking about. i am one of them when it comes to mac. but in windows and linux everything seems to go well. i think that any os goes well if you know how to handle it. problem is to learn how
Every thing you just described works just the same in mac is x. Dragging files accross etc. Opening files including word files actually works better, the built in quicklook allows me to view word, excel, all the common picture movie and music files. Just by hitting the space bar when the file is highlighted. What I am speaking about is that mac does all those things, but better. Apple really strive to make everything work across all OS's to the point that you can save items in a specifically compatible format. The fact that I am posting this comment from my iPod touch shows how you can't compare it to a cheap mp3 player.
that works in mac cause it has all required addons built in. so your file manager provides by default what windows or linux one does not but its not as if it has really better functionality - its just built to work with another apple product. apple works great if you use apple products together with apple products you cannot say that windows can do that as easily on the ipod too without itunes. but windows can on any cheap player the fact i can play 3d games with great graphics and controller on the wii (and to play mp3s and surf the web) shows how it is superior to the ipod touch. if i wanted the features you have i would buy a pocket computer and not mp3 player woot mac can work with office files and open multimeduia just like windows or linux :) :)
You seem to be missing the point im making, you talk about the files addons, and the working with apple products, im telling you, it works great with all products, from the massive range of phones out there (it actually has a little icon for all the phones) including all the cameras, even the high end cameras that require special programs work seamlessly with iphoto. You can compare an iPod to a wii. The iPod touch IS a pocket computer, pretty much the best one out there. You miss my point about the multimedia files, mac opens most of them be default. Windows, and linux do not. Simple as, i know this, as i use all three OS.
you say that all products of all manufacturers work on a mac. thats the way it should be i think now try to say all that in the other direction - how do apple portable products work on a random windows computer and why products that are considered inferior work better
Indeed, im glad you can see what im getting at with your first point, i don't always explain my self perfectly. I understand what you say about the apple portable products. But then, itunes allows me to easily browse apps and install them, choose what elements i want to auto sync, and which music i want to drag and drop. You get alot of functionality on itunes. And, as you rightly point out, you get all that by sacrificing the ability to use it on any random computer. For my mac to pop up with an iCal meeting a few hours before, that i entered on my iPod a few months ago, is worth that sacrifice alone. At the end of the day, its like a comparing a scooter to a estate car, they both do the same thing, but you can't compare them directly, as they both do that thing in different ways, with different advantages. Its been good talking, i've enjoyed the discussion, and i hope you have learnt something from my ramblings.
i do enjoy this too. but it approaches the end there is a question left : i dont understand why there is need to sacrifice anything for example it the ipod could sync without itunes it would not block or make impossible to implement any of its current functionalities
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