Auto-chambering Repeater Concept
I just got this idea a couple days ago talking to Jammy. Here's a crash course physics lesson:
When a larger object (a pin in this case) hits a smaller object (ammo in this case), only enough energy to make the ammo fly faster is transferred. This is because it takes less energy to make something of less mass move at the same speed as something with more mass. So as soon as enough energy is lost in the pin and gained in the ammo, they fall out of contact and the rest of the energy in the pin is wasted.
You can't really make pins any more efficient than they already are, so I figured I'd try utilizing the otherwise wasted energy. I figured one of the ways you could do this is by making a gun that automatically chambers a round after being fired. It'd be like a bolt action weapon except instead of manually operating a bolt handle, the extra energy would load the the round for you. The result is less effort and more efficient pin use. People may think this is less reliable than manually operating the bolt bin, but I beg to differ. This, in theory, would provide a more consistent chambering action. As long as it's fine tuned, the rounds should load exactly the same each shot. Also, you wouldn't be able to screw up chambering an extra round. You can pull the bolt handle back on a cocked bolt action weapon and easily jam the mechanism. With my concept, you can only chamber a round after the currently chambered one is fired (unless you purposely fiddle with the back of the gun) because the bolt pin relies on the firing pin to operate.
I have the front of this gun finished, but I still need to design the bolt pin assembly and the back of the gun to hold it so that I can actually fire this thing, but I'm confident it'll work out very well once I do. Here's a video to demonstrate the concept.
I'm hoping that once this gun is finished, it'll be a viable war weapon, seeing how I don't have anything better than my Oodassault at the moment. Or at least if I can't finish mine, someone else can use the concept.
When a larger object (a pin in this case) hits a smaller object (ammo in this case), only enough energy to make the ammo fly faster is transferred. This is because it takes less energy to make something of less mass move at the same speed as something with more mass. So as soon as enough energy is lost in the pin and gained in the ammo, they fall out of contact and the rest of the energy in the pin is wasted.
You can't really make pins any more efficient than they already are, so I figured I'd try utilizing the otherwise wasted energy. I figured one of the ways you could do this is by making a gun that automatically chambers a round after being fired. It'd be like a bolt action weapon except instead of manually operating a bolt handle, the extra energy would load the the round for you. The result is less effort and more efficient pin use. People may think this is less reliable than manually operating the bolt bin, but I beg to differ. This, in theory, would provide a more consistent chambering action. As long as it's fine tuned, the rounds should load exactly the same each shot. Also, you wouldn't be able to screw up chambering an extra round. You can pull the bolt handle back on a cocked bolt action weapon and easily jam the mechanism. With my concept, you can only chamber a round after the currently chambered one is fired (unless you purposely fiddle with the back of the gun) because the bolt pin relies on the firing pin to operate.
I have the front of this gun finished, but I still need to design the bolt pin assembly and the back of the gun to hold it so that I can actually fire this thing, but I'm confident it'll work out very well once I do. Here's a video to demonstrate the concept.
I'm hoping that once this gun is finished, it'll be a viable war weapon, seeing how I don't have anything better than my Oodassault at the moment. Or at least if I can't finish mine, someone else can use the concept.


















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I was gonna have a moving back "barrel" I guess in front of the trigger that connected to the bolt pin. So after already hitting the round, it'd hit the back and move the bolt pin. And then that part was simply gonna be rubber banded so that it wanted to stay back by default and would only be moved forward under the force of the pin.
The trouble with this concept is that it's a Goldilocks thing. You want enough room for the next round to load, but you also want a small distance between the back of the gun and the trigger for the bolt pin to travel, so you'd have to make it just right for there to be enough energy to transfer the next round into the barrel.
My solution is making a sliding barrel assembly, trigger and all, within the body of the gun but still independent of the magazine. So when the pin crashes into the back of the gun, the entire barrel and bolt pin would move forward so that you don't need to worry about the length needed. Of course this would be complicated in itself.
So yeah, how about you just focus on the one you've made just to get a working version of this concept out, and we can improve on it after we see it.
I suck at describing things but I'll try.
In the 1st and 5th layer, at the very back of the gun, you have red 3 way connectors with a white rod. Connect to that white rod two orange connectors. On the other end of the orange connectors another white rod. Between it put a grey 1 way connector with a red rod that goes trough the gun.
When the gun shoots, it'll push the ammo out first, because a grey/black rod is longer, than the ram rad will hit the insides of the orange connectors which will push the red rod forward as a bolt, but than not attached to the ram rod.
Hope it's clear
A cross-sectional picture would be nice, if no instructions/pictures are put up, it looks simple to make.
Anyway good luck with it, and if it fails, show the community how to make it so someone will carry on with it or turn it into a bolt action if they can't.
Firstly, you are right about the pin's speed limiting the speed of the ammo. But ammo will actually shoot a lot faster than the pin. That is because the plastic flexes, increasing the impact time. It makes a huge difference.
Now about the efficiency of your design. Your idea requires that the ammo be hit before the pin finishes its travel. That's the only real downside I see. The range loss would be noticeable, and may make the idea not worthwhile. Especially because bolt action is to maximize efficiency.
On pin guns, the extra energy goes to the back of the barrel. So instead of interrupting the pin, try to make the back of the barrel move. It would mean that even the trigger block needs to move with it. It wouldn't be as reliable as your idea because my idea only uses the energy of the impact. If the impact isn't enough, the next round won't be chambered.
I guess I didn't clarify enough that people would get this. I did intend to make the back of the gun move. I didn't really have a lot of space I realized with the trigger, but I was hoping that the initial shock, a "short stroke" esque action would "shoot" the round into the barrel instead of needing to push it all the way. I don't know for sure, I haven't finished the gun, but I think I might change it now that you suggest having the barrel move. You could remove the bolt pin entirely and just make an extension of the barrel push the round. And as long as you hook the bands up right, it should always reliably feed because the bands would continue to pull the barrel against the magazine until you cock the pin.
Alright, I'll begin planning out an updated version of the concept using a sliding barrel.
1. You have to cock the pin and only cock the pin, you don't have to fiddle with a bolt handle which take up pieces, usually a lot of pin space, and can interfere with band placement. That in itself is a "why not?" motivation behind this concept.
2. Also, consequentially, this concept is in theory more reliable due to consistency than a manual bolt action would be.
3. This concept is rather simple in essence, surprisingly enough it has yet to be done, though. I don't have the pieces to finish the stock. So if someone wanted to build off this they could.
4. You don't get the point of this demonstration. I said I didn't finish the back of the gun. The idea is that the pin will have already hit the ammo before hitting the back of the gun which then would be connected to the bolt pin. I was just using a grey rod for the demonstration to load the round.
1. Why not is ok, i was just stating that i don't see how it would help...
2. Agree to disagree ?
3. I get the missing pieces part, but the reason nobodys done it is that most people don't try to think how to be innovative, they just remake all the existing mechanisms into a gun
4. You didn't state that... How could i have known?...
Anyway, look man, i'm not trying to be mean or anything. I was merely expressing my opinion and leaving some constructive criticism with it. Don't take this the wrong way. I'm sorry if i offended you man.
2. Fine, not bothering, but I'll just say I dislike how everyone has been brainwashed to be distrustful with anything that has a rubber band attached to it.
3. Well, nothing's left to discuss here then. Sure, it's simple, but no one else did it yet, so I did, but I don't have the pieces to complete it, so I'd like to see if someone else would want to. That's all.
4. I'll admit I did not explicitly state in the thread that the concept worked that way, but it was greatly implied after stating the whole wasted energy thing and then the chambering a round with this wasted energy. And then in the video I made it perfectly clear.
I don't find offense in criticism unless it is false. I only counter criticized your reading comprehension because you criticized the concept without actually knowing exactly how it worked. But no matter, I'm not trying to argue. Now you know.
2. i don't get what you're saying. could you explain it again?
3. ok
4. i didn't get it....and i still don't see how it's "implied" or "clear".
i knew how it worked, i simply didn't know the specifications of the way you were making it. i stand by my word, though, that it isn't a good use for the wasted energy.