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Can I participate in holidays gift or another contest?

i live in spain and i dont understand very well the conditions

Kiteman1 year ago
Unfortunately, you cannot enter from Spain.

*But*, if you collaborate with somebody else from a qualifying country (US, Canada [excluding Quebec], UK, China, Belgium, the Netherlands, Australia, Colombia, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, India, and Denmark), they can give their address (should you win), and then get the prize to you.

The OP can enter... just doesn't qualify to win.

+1 to the rest of the info.
Don't forget, HQ don't know addresses until they ask after a win (even if you've won before - they delete such data after use), so all you do is give your collaborator's address as your own, and they forward it to you.

vanweb Kiteman1 year ago
BUT Kiteman, if the reason that he cannot enter is because it puts a liability on Instructables for taxes / crazy laws etc. Are you not telling people how to break laws that would put Instructables at risk of a lawsuit? Especially since you seem to act as a "defacto voice" for this site (you seem to answer most online queries about how things work, who to contact etc.and you have said you have judged contests yourself). So if he won he would be listed as the winner on the contest page his country would be listed as Spain and just because he had the prize shipped to someone else it is still a resident of Spain winning?

Also it would be breaking the rules of the contest which say only residents of certain countries can win. So in fact you are advocating people to ignore the rules of the contest if it does not suit them - which coming from someone like you who judges contests seems very very wrong.
Kiteman vanweb1 year ago
How about you find out what the word "collaborate" means on this site? Or what information is displayed on the contest pages?

If you follow my advice, you stay entirely within the contest rules, site terms of service, and international laws.

Which, coming from "someone like me", is much more useful than watching somebody attempting to score some sort of points, but ending up making themselves look rather silly, don't you think?
Huh. Attempting to score some sort of points? Looking rather silly?

... did we even read the same forum message? I read one that sounded reasonable, curious and genuinely concerned, and did not give me any sort of reason to want to be a jerk.
... on second thought, never mind... better not to get involved.
Too late!

It's OK - you just haven't encountered his style before. His other interactions make an interesting read.
bellotero69 (author)  Kiteman1 year ago
thaks for your reply
vanweb Kiteman1 year ago
you "Advised" in another post: (http://www.instructables.com/community/Update-on-International-Entries-in-Instructables-C/):

"Since the lawyers are working on the job "now", it's OK to enter a contest you are not officially eligible for.
The site does not officially know where you live until you tell them, which means that, should you win a contest you are not eligible to enter, you can give them an address of a friend in an eligible country, and your friend can mail the prize onwards to you."

I would like to know how this is "entirely within the contest rules, site terms of service, and international laws."?
Kiteman vanweb1 year ago
Oh, I do enjoy a stalker.

Tell me - which rule does my advice break? Which law?

Come on, if you're going to stalk me, you need to do the job properly...
vanweb Kiteman1 year ago
This rule: "Eligibility. THE CONTEST IS OPEN ONLY TO NATURAL PERSONS WHO, AT THE TIME OF ENTRY, ARE REGISTERED MEMBERS OF THE SITE, WHO ARE AT LEAST FOURTEEN (14) YEARS OLD (FIFTEEN [15] YEARS OLD FOR RESIDENTS OF NORWAY AND EIGHTEEN [18] YEARS OLD FOR RESIDENTS OF GERMANY), AND ARE LEGAL RESIDENTS OF THE 50 UNITED STATES (INCLUDING THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA BUT EXCLUDING PUERTO RICO), CANADA (EXCLUDING THE PROVINCE OF QUEBEC, CANADA), UNITED KINGDOM, AUSTRALIA, BELGIUM, CHINA, THE NETHERLANDS, COLOMBIA, DENMARK, GERMANY, INDIA, NORWAY, OR SWITZERLAND". By saying "The site does not officially know where you live until you tell them, which means that, should you win a contest you are not eligible to enter, you can give them an address of a friend in an eligible country, and your friend can mail the prize onwards to you."

breaks the "Eligibility" rule from the "OFFICIAL RULES" of every contest... do you disagree? And if the person that enters the contest is from Quebec then it breaks the Quebec gaming Law which which states that you are not allowed to offer a contest to a resident of Quebec without putting the value of the prize in escrow with the Quebec government.

and since when is asking a valid question of someone who seems to "speak" for a website on an open forum considered stalking? Maybe you should reread the "be nice" policy :-)

Kiteman vanweb1 year ago
Woah, score one for the stalker! You must be the first person to read that section since they were first written - I hope the effort of trawling through all that legal gumph was worth the satisfaction (it certainly took you long enough!).

Asking me a question is, of course, perfectly acceptable, but when you resort to trawling through the archives to find an old tid-bit to make your point seem more valid, you step right over the line into stalker-hood.

I'm curious about why you chose to turn a simple question into a full-on personal attack, though? What do you hope to achieve with this line? Have you entered a contest, and are trying to scare off other potential competitors? Or do you have some less interesting reason?
vanweb Kiteman1 year ago
Sites like Instructables only prosper when the users feel that everyone is treated fairly and the contests are all above board. During the summer there was a lot of comments in the forums with concerns on how contest winners were selected. In response, just recently, Instructables has started publishing judges feedback from contests. This is great! This shows that the site listens to its users and wants to be open and more importantly they probably know that if people think that contests are not fairly judged they would not enter them.

I try to live my life within the rules, so when I won and Instructables contest last year and they shipped me two Macbook pros by mistake. I contacted Instrcutables and shipped one back. I could have kept it as they never even realised they made a mistake but I knew it was not mine. So when I see posts that, to me, show someone who is an "instructables" insider explaining how to get around eligibility rules that concerns me.

And please explain what you mean by "Full-On Personal Attack"? I was pointing out what I think is a mistake on your part that could end up with a potential for legal issues for Instructables. I have not called you names, I have never said anything rude about you (even after you started calling me a stalker and implying I have alterior motives). All I did was quote the official rules and your public posts. How is this a personal attack?

Either way this will be my last comment here as I have said what I have wanted...
Kiteman vanweb1 year ago
Let's see...

f you were genuinely worried about the site, you would have contacted the site in private. That makes it an attack.

If you genuinely thought I was encouraging rule-breaking, you would have quoted the relevant rules, rather than rules that did not exist when I made the earlier comment you quoted. That makes it an attack.

If you were being honest about your motives, you would test the advice I give now (and have been giving for some time, with the rules as they stand now. Instead, you choose to test advice I gave a year ago against rules which have since been subject to major revisions. That makes your motives suspect.

you trawled through old comments until you found one you could quote out of context to suit your suspect needs. That makes you a stalker.

As for name-calling, you publicly, without foundation, accused me of aiding and abetting the breaking of several international laws. That is defamation of character at best, and if I thought you were worth it I could probably make a reasonable case for seeking significant financial reparations for a libellous attack.

instead, you can consider yourself lucky that I am such a nice chap, who puts more effort into improving the experience of the site for the members than you do into such negativity.

vanweb Kiteman1 year ago
Oh and "selectively quote" I am sorry I will include your FULL quote:

"Since the lawyers are working on the job "now", it's OK to enter a contest you are not officially eligible for.

The site does not officially know where you live until you tell them, which means that, should you win a contest you are not eligible to enter, you can give them an address of a friend in an eligible country, and your friend can mail the prize onwards to you.

Or, maybe, your country becomes eligible between your entry and the deadline..."

But enlighten me how that last line, which I did not include, changes the context of the meaning of your statement?
Kiteman vanweb1 year ago
By the simple fact that countries are added to the list while contests are on, and rules are revised backwards to allow entries from the new countries.

It worked for me.
vanweb Kiteman1 year ago
That does not explain the part of the statement I quoted: "The site does not officially know where you live until you tell them, which means that, should you win a contest you are not eligible to enter, you can give them an address of a friend in an eligible country, and your friend can mail the prize onwards to you."? If your intention was to say that since his country was in progress then he could be eligible "IF" the country was appoved in time why mention the part about sending the prize to someone else?
Kiteman vanweb1 year ago
Why does it need explaining?

You're keen on trawling through out-dated posts, why not find out what the history of the rule change is?

(Still waiting to find out what you hope to achieve here - maybe you'll have gotten back to me by the [UK] morning.)
(I wonder if he'll manage to stay in context? Will he continue to selectively quote-mine? Or will he be honest enough to quote me fully?)
But the stalker mystique is in ruin if one doesn't troll the site for such buried citations to create the out of context patchwork quilt of "evidence".
What I really want is a Creationist stalker - they are fun on so many levels, and they never seem to notice how funny they look!
In the beginning, God created man. :-P
:-P