Energy with Seesaw system

In this sketch you will find that I have attached 10 shake flashlights on  the both side of a balanced seesaw system and this seesaw is moving with a 6 volt motor but  I have used 10 no. shake flashlights and each flashlight will produce only 2 volt as a output which will be less than input . On the first hand each flashlight is producing only 2 volt and on the second hand the total 10 no. flashlights systems are producing 20 volt . If we try this concept than input is more than output but if we add total output then it is greater than input.

please answer me that will these flashlights will be light up or not as mass is not an issue in this device.
Note(1)each flashlight is separate with another flashlight .
(2)to move a balanced seesaw there is need of less energy or input.
These flashlights are mounted permanently ,horizontally on the both Arms of a seesaw(making+ symbol and view my sketches) and this seesaw will move side to side just 2 to 4 centimeter only.remember we will only shake the only one arm of this seesaw with corner and flashlights will not slide as these are mounted permanently on the arm of this seesaw.

suppose if a flashlight require 10 watt power to glow up then we will have to apply 20 watt so that so that this 20 watt input could also counter some mechanical loss also.but this 20 watt input will be sufficient to glow up these 10 flashlights as all flashlight are permanently attached on this seesaw so each will shake with equal force or applying force will be equally distributed in these other words we are giving 20 watt input and out put is 150 watt with these 10 no. flashlight.we can do it with our hand power to test it to shaking the seesaw.

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vikram_gupta11 (author) 1 year ago

I don't have technical sources to build it but if someone in this forum has all source then he can try it and it will work.

You are taking this concept in wrong direction.Suppose there is a running car having 10 passengers and the speed of car is 100 km/hour so each passenger speed will be also 100 km/hour and the same thing here in this design.take this seesaw as a running car coil+magnet system as a passenger and tell me where I'm wrong?

kelseymh1 year ago

Why don't you built it yourself and see what happens? You are claiming a "balanced seesaw."

1) That means that you have the same mass, as dead weight, on one arm of the seesaw as the total mass of flashlights at the other end.

2) That means that when you use your arm to "shake" the deadweight end of the seesaw, you (or whatever magic motor you build) will have to exert the same total force as shaking all the flashlights at once (so ten flashlights = ten times the effort).

3) The energy stored by a shake-weight generator (like your flashlights) is much smaller than the energy required to do the shaking. There is a lot of waste involved.

Just because you don't believe in math or science is really irrelevant. Reality is what it is, and wishing won't make it any different.

Ah master, you sensed a disturbance in the force?

You need speed.
A slowly moving magnet will not provide enough power.
Even with enough speed you still face the problem that the laws of motion and physics won't bend for you.
Meaning you will never get more energy out than what you put in, not even close.

vikram_gupta11 (author)  Downunder35m1 year ago

The design is simple and there is nothing complex to understand the design .suppose there is a BEAM which is in equilibrium position and 10 no. coil+magnet system or (flashlights) permanently attached on it horizontally and we are turning this seesaw side by side towards 2 to 3 can imagine its function very easily.

To turn a 4 kilogram (including mass of flashlights) balanced seesaw in 3 centimeter(thrice a second) there is need of only 0.36 newton force ,there fore I say that mass is not a big issue in this design even we can reduce it upto 50%more but the main issue is sliding of magnet to move pass the coil. suppose a coil+ magnets system require 10 watt to shake so that it could counter the Lenz's law then this 10 watt + .36 watt(newton)+ .50(watt) = 11 watt will be sufficient to shake all 10 no. flashlights or coil+magnet system.if a coil +magnet system 's output is only 5 watt then we can get 50 watt out put with these total 10 no. coil+ magnet systems and input will be only 11 watt.That's what I want to say.
furtheremore if we replace coil+magnets with 10 people then these ten people will move or turn when we will shake or turn the arm of seesaw.
when this 11 watt force will applied on the arm of seesaw then every coil+magnet system will work as this 11 watt will be equally distribute in all these coil+magnet system.if mass is equal then F=a and its mean that the force applied on seesaw will be distributed equally or in other words all flashlights will be accelerated equally.Thus each flashlight will generate energy and output will be greater than input.

I just want to say that there is no need of applying 10 time force to glow these 10 numbered flashlights but a single input force equal to glow up a single flashlight, is sufficient to glow up these 10 lights or coil+magnets.

It still won't change the fact that you need to put more energy into the system than what you can get out.
If you think otherwise build it properly, do the correct measurements and see for yourself.

vikram_gupta11 (author)  Downunder35m1 year ago

I have mentioned about it already in the concept.mass is not an issue in this design we are just shaking only a balanced seesaw and again remember we are shaking the balanced seesaw and this seesaw will work to distribute equal force in each flashlight to glow up.. .please use common sense.I used 6 balls (toy ball which light up due to pressure) and attach these balls with both Arms of seesaw system .when I applied a force on this seesaw then the balls glowed up and So I think that we can use coil+magnet system and it will also work.

I also tested mass issue that so I put 3 kilogram weight on each arm but it didn't effect the whole system and balls again glowed up with same force that I applied before attaching the weight.
Now I want to tell that I used just a very little force only using my finger tips and this system did well what I was expecting.

Now in this design we are shaking 10 no. flashlights with the force of equal to shake a single flashlight(COIL+MAGNET) and these flashlight will work or glow up there is no doubt about it. we can take not only 10 no. flashlight but also 20,30,50 or more because remember the seesaw is in balanced position so again say that there is need of only small amount of energy to move it and also consider that this seesaw is just moving only 2 to 3 centimeter sideways so this is also an advantage .
Friction is very less,applying force is same as we are shaking 10 no. flashlights with the force of shaking a single flashlight.sideways momentum is only 2 to 3 centimeter then why this should not work?

There may be friction loss but it will be negligible and there will be no effect on the entire system due to this loss.
So my earnest request to all of great folks that reconsider about this design.


In practical terms, there's a whole lot of shakin' going on before you get any light at all. If you have ever used one of those shake lights, they are really inefficient at charging the small battery to light up the bulb. Basic maths will give you 2 watts of shaking for each light to only get a few milliamps of output much less than 15 watts which may only be the max rating of what the lamp is capable of.

vikram_gupta11 (author)  caitlinsdad1 year ago

I have used flashlights to understand the concept . can you glow up 10 numbered flashlights with the applying force to glow a single flashlight? No, because you will have to apply 10 times force to glow up these 10 flashlights ,but in this design you can glow up these 10 flashlights applying only one time force .

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