Get Some Linux in your life

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guyfrom7up8 years ago
Linux is by far the best operating system. Why doesn't everybody use it? 1) Ignorance, people think windows and Mac OS's are the only OS's, and if they even know what linux is they probably think it's watered down, crappy, weak, for programers or other stuff like that, etc. 2) Support, companies mainly release stuff for windows or mac cause of reasons above. Nice thing about linux is that a lot of the things are free ;) I'm typing this on windows though... My cnc machine was originally going to run on linux, but there's a lack of CAM software.
Plus, Linux is HELL-A strong. Even Wine is free for linux also so its easy to switch over.
My dad says Mac (apple) almost went out of business until they finally said, nuff of this, then they made OS X
Here's another one I found... Backdoor to MACs?
PKM guyfrom7up8 years ago
3) Administration is difficult. Even friendly distros like Ubuntu require you to use the command line or administrative tools at times that are nowhere near as user-friendly (read: watered down) as the Windows ones.

The core of this problem is, stereotyping massively, in general WIndows users ask "Why should I have to mess around with the guts of my operating system?" and Linux users ask "Why wouldn't you want to?"

The low desktop-user uptake of Linux can only be righted once a distro comes out that is as easy to install, upgrade, maintain and install applications and hardware on as Windows is, and even then low software availability and unfamiliarity will limit uptake. Plus, making a distro this user friendly and not crippling it would take a lot of work and Microsoft have the billions to spend on usability studies etc.

I think it's possible, but there isn't a strong enough incentive to do it. Perhaps a bundled distro with all the apps you are likely to want, shipped on a DVD for, IDK, $20 with a nice "How to install" booklet/manual, debian-like package managers etc. and possibly a promise to answer queries that aren't addressed in the installation guide. It probably wouldn't cater for the preinstalled prebuilt "I just want to send an email" market but might address a gap between them and the hackers who use Linux already- competent computer users who are willing to experiment, looking for a way out of MS dominance.
Login258 PKM7 years ago
That's exactly how I feel. I would be using Linux right now, but it would take far too much effort for me to be able to use my Wifi with it because it won't recognize my adapter (and that would be easy enough to fix, except that when I use Linux I don't have internet and can't look up what to do...)
Actually, I might post a forum post for help on this....
mattameo213 (author)  Login2587 years ago
That'd be a good idea.
Oh psyche I don't need to now. I now have a wire running from my Wifi transmitter to my computer... It completely defeats the point of Wifi, but it always works now!
11010010110 PKM7 years ago
i think in computers as in every other tech - the tech should allow - but not require - the user to mess around with the internals. the user should be able to get to the internals and work with them - to some extent. this extent is different for each user --> different os is suitable for each user. make a 'newbie' use an advanced linux distro - he'll complain. let me use a mac - i'll complain too. the difference between "i just want to send email" users and "linux h4xx0rz" is not a simple line. it has dimension and depth. i've seen users that look and act like "send email" 's but they replaced a hard drive and installed os and all software in their box - everything on their own. such users are not far at all from being advanced users should they only wish. i call them 'advance-on-demand users' i think this is the group we should aim at. well - there are some distros that look more or less ok for those guys. mandriva one and archlinux are 2 os i like and arch is what i use myself. the only things that can distract users from it are bugs in some core apps and the use of command line (although its damn simple in arch) .mandriva powerpack costs more than $ 20 but still less than windows and i'd expect it to be good intermediate step between the world of windows/mac to the linux freebies ubuntu is not user friendly at all. it thinks its smarter than the user and destructs every setting he tries to do on his own. it has lots of other similar problems. i used gentoo for 1.5 years and think it is more friendly than ubuntu - cause when you do something in gentoo it works. i'd not give a newbie ubuntu as his 1st distro
mattameo213 (author)  110100101107 years ago
Amazing. I'm right with you, except the Ubuntu, (I've never used it before, thus can't align myself with it) I love your first paragraph, my sister got a laptop with Vista and one of the Admin. accounts is locked, only accessible by remote login from Microsoft, which means that although she paid $750, Microsoft is still didn't hand over the top card (the ability to self-admin and ultimate control over the computer) my only guess at the reasoning behind this is that Microsoft thinks that we can't be trusted running our own computers.
what i think you are talking about is called trusted computing. vista has some nasty features based on those technologies but i dont think the 'overlord admin' user has something to do with it
mattameo213 (author)  110100101107 years ago
Normally it would be alright, but every time she gets online, something logs into that account and starts a scan by Norton.
then its just a virus. format and install some other antivirus
mattameo213 (author)  110100101107 years ago
The laptop didn't come with any re-install discs. Plus, a friend in Michigan got a laptop that's the same brand, Toshiba, and it has the same locked admin. user.
then pkm is right. call them and ask a normal install disk without their preloaded crap or install another os on your own
mattameo213 (author)  110100101107 years ago
I would. But like I said, the laptop is my sister's and she doesn't seem to mind being spied on.
PKM 110100101107 years ago
I'm guessing this is a problem with a pre-installed OS. If you buy your computer with Vista pre-installed from the shop, they might not give you the install discs so you can't format and reinstall. That's rather beside the point, though- the idea of buying computers preinstalled with spyware and backdoors is one of the reasons I build my own and run Linux (most of the time).
I found the following audio stream in QuickTime from the LastHope conference on Advanced Memory Forensics ( including the Unix / Linux / Mac machines )

This is a MUST listen to, if you feel SAFE with a Mac, Linux or any machine
mattameo213 (author)  Goodhart7 years ago
Very cool. Sorry, but I could only get through 3/4rds of it, I'm a little pressed for time right now, I'll hear the rest later.
yeah, I missed going this year....I had the double bypass I needed done just before that, and it ruined my ability to attend in person. :-(
mattameo213 (author)  guyfrom7up8 years ago
definitly, almost nobody at school knows what Linux is and I have to reexplain it every time the subject come up.
You can even make linux look like XP with a few commands.
Goodhart7 years ago
I just came across this from the LAST HOPE conference, in NYC:

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TJ 470657 years ago
my laptop dual boots Vista and Ubuntu 8.04 its really good, I always use ubuntu its so fast. If anyone wants to dual boot it without manually having to go though making all of the hdd partitions ect then use Wubi it automatically does it (but you need to be connected to the Internet while its installing (I'm sure you all know anyway) just search it in Google, I'm sure it will come up with something. thanks :)
i do find ubuntu to be more troublemaker and work slower than most other distros on what hardware you use it ? (and with how much ram ?)
i use it on my Packard bell laptop which has a 160GB hdd and 2GB of ram with an intel centrino duo processor lol i like my laptop :)
and how much ram it uses for applications / cache ?
it uses about up to 1 gb for apps/cashe hardly ever needs to go higher
Gjdj38 years ago
Haha. I totally agree. Linux is the best. I dual boot Ubuntu and XP even though I never use XP anymore. What does everyone else use?
Labot2001 Gjdj37 years ago
As soon as I get my Eee PC, I'm gonna dual boot Ubuntu Ibex/Vista Home Premium. As much as I've come to love Linux, there's still a few things about Vista that I just can't completely abandon.
mattameo213 (author)  Labot20017 years ago
Have Fun
arch linux its simple construction (not complicated when it comes to tinkering with) and very fast
mattameo213 (author)  110100101107 years ago
mattameo213 (author)  Gjdj38 years ago
SUSE 10.0 with gnome and kde desktops on two comps.
mattameo213 (author) 8 years ago
heres something to think about.... I tried to install a game on my comp that dual boots linux and win xp (thats about all i use xp for, games and storing music.) and the comp completely crashed. All of my music and stuff was lost. I got linux to boot and not only saved my home work and at least 3/4 my music but also redid the XP hard drive and restored my music. (that was the last straw, I gave up on xp)
I remember that! You could barely get it showing on the SmartBoard.... I'm sorry for your loss... of Linux. Maybe you could e-mail asus and get another copy of the OS you had. If you can, I bet they'd include that new 8-second start launchpad that comes with Eees these days. Good luck!
mattameo213 (author)  M1 Monty7 years ago
no, no, this was my home comp in a wooden cabinet. The laptop was a different story, though it followed the same plot.
M1 Monty7 years ago
thinking of getting a new macbook soon. hope the OS is OK; heard lots of good things about it.... but i may ask mattameo to install some dual boot linux on it... could ya? --c u @ school {(Monty)}
and hopefully Call of Duty 4 will work online on it, otherwise the reputation of macs (the good reputation, not the egotistical one) will be slandered forever. By me.
mattameo213 (author)  M1 Monty7 years ago
If not, then I might be able to get Win XP to dual boot with Linux and Mac OS X. Of course the price for such demonic acts fall just short of ripping the time space continuum apart and reorganizing all the matter of the universe into a single speck, then I would have to use the intense gravity of all universal things and hold the operating systems together and keep them from fighting......
mattameo213 (author)  M1 Monty7 years ago
Unless the Mac techies are from Mars, Which I don't actually doubt.......
I can most probably put GRUB to dual boot. GRUB is GRand Unified Bootloader.
Hope I can help!
tech-king8 years ago
i use suse 10 and xp in dual boot.
mattameo213 (author)  tech-king8 years ago
cool, so do I
except the XP isn't mine. *cough*

*COUGH* You 2 ? 8 COUGH*

mattameo213 (author)  littlechef378 years ago
You said your xp isn't mine and then I asked YOU 2 ? the 8 by the word cough is supposed to be a star I just forgot to press SHIFT.....
mattameo213 (author)  littlechef378 years ago
oh,ok cool
Unless you bought Xp, you own it ;)
Yeah I really don't Feel like "SELLING MY SOUL TO MICROSOFT"
I use Linux it loads like 10x faster then WINDOWS.... my friend has a hp laptop with vista and a 2.4ghz processor and 2 gigs of ram (running windows VISTA) the computer I used is a 533mhz processor (yeah its old but I knew it would beat his computer) with 756mbs of ram (running yes puppy ..naw just kidding that would own him......... running ubuntu) And you yes you GUSED IT I WON hahaha and they say bill gates even uses linux LOLL
@'and they say bill gates even uses linux' Who say?
hehe here
I like the part where he refused to take a breathalyser test...

If you type in "bill gates" and linux in google youl get about 905,000 results
Hm. It looks like a fake.. and it is: bbspot.com - about. But it is nevertheless funny.
That exact story is very likely to be fake........... But LINUX aIS STILL BETTER THAN MICROSOFT..... Linux 4 Life... The olny problem is everyone is scared of it..... I don't get it why dont they try it and stop Judging a book by its cover... I dont know how you can judge that cute little penguin though.... But the point is linux isn't advertised So only the people that read blogs on line and come to instructables know about it. And as you can see in my comment below WINDOWS isn't helping..... I first learned about Linux when I was downloading lime wire for a mac. and I saw the little penguin... I had never ever herd of Linux before so I researched it and I researched it on a windows computer and it crashed... Currently I am using Ubuntu and Slax and wolvix....
> 'But LINUX aIS STILL BETTER THAN MICROSOFT..... Linux 4 Life...' I like linux for some good reason, but (i hope) i will never be a zealot. The reason: *free as in beer, free as in speech *support (updates, features) *community > 'The only problem is everyone is scared of it.....' Yes and no. It is a familiarization, you use what you ever use. To learn something new sometimes scares. > 'I dont know how you can judge that cute little penguin though....' I didn't have that done. > 'I first learned about Linux when...' The first contact with linux was 1998 on my secondary school. Our IT-Teacher runs linux with KDE (god damned looked that crappy ;) and i don't really realized what it was (It was the time as i thought my PC is Windows and AOL were the internet :P). > 'Currently I am using ...' Slackware 12.1 > 'Ubuntu and Slax and wolvix....' That is what i dislike: All has his advantages or in other words, all has some disadvantages. I am for know not smart enough to create my own distribution, but i will when it is the time, to get all the problemes out of my way. I am still learning linux...
Dude I didn't get a computer till '98. I hated this......
I also Find this Ironic..... (found it on the microsoft website) Vista Has less issues then ubuntu...... YA RIGHT (when pigs drive rocket ships) If this chart was even at all possible to believe the only truthful part is Ubuntu's issues are fixed faster.
i like ubuntu 7.10 (gutsy gibbon) but i'll stick with XP, i just got a new laptop with XP on it
Labot20018 years ago
Fedora 9 Sulphur...

is awesome.
Right now I'm running it from Live USB, but when I get my own PC, I'll dual boot Fedora + XP.
i ordered fedora. im waiting for it to arrive.
Why order it? Just get a torrent.
its for an older pc that doesnt boot from usb.
Why didn't you download an ISO and make a live CD?
i didnt want to always have to remember to put the cd in; i wanted it to run off the hdd.
PKM tech-king8 years ago
You can download ISOs for install CDs, then install to a partition so it doesn't run from the CD. I did this with oobuntoo, and if you already have a windows installation it automagically adds windows to your boot options so you can choose which OS to boot. IDK about fedora but if it's a reasonably recent distro I can't see why it wouldn't, and if it uses grub it's easy to set up anyway. If you install windows alongside an existing linux install, however, it tramples all over the linux bootloader.
LinuxH4x0r8 years ago
I'm a Linux and Mac user. Former windows user (only at school now). Linux is definitely the most powerful
mattameo213 (author)  LinuxH4x0r8 years ago
nice to know there are others out there lol If you have any linux stories/mods/hacks etc. i'd be glad to listen
Yes, I have used dsl. Useful, but too basic for everyday use. No, nothing I can think of right now