Good Manners

There has been a shift to much younger children on this great site,  kids who think that we who provide answers to their impossible dreams, are free site service robots  just for them.  ( Not leaving out a great many grateful individuals ! )

A lot of these kids believe we are clairvoyant about their specifics, some behave with poor street manners.

My grand kids are being raised with good manners including respect.

I hope you, with your children, here and other countries can avoid the,  throw_away_attitude mindset.

Speaking for myself, I would happily welcome being recognized a living human resource more often... A Thank you is as pleasing a response as a BA...

I even get along with Violators of thermodynamic laws..

There are individuals cutting your text, Keep your Guard-Up !

Regards and Thank You for reading my rant,

ICeng...


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Yonatan241 year ago

By bad manners, Do you mean "swearing" or not saying "thank you"? I guessing it's more like swearing...

I think Iceng means the same as I do:
Kids and people with really no brain take over the forums with useless questions.
99% can be answered with the first few Google hits, the rest is impossible to answer as no details are provided.
Example: Can I run my LED strip directly from a battery?
Hmm... What strip, what battery, how long??

Don't get me wrong, I do like helping out and providing a solution if possible but lately it feels like we are supervisors in a child care center.
Just check how many questions are marked as answered.
then check how many similar questions you find that never eve see a replay from whoever started the topic.

This is spamming up the forum sections!
For me it is very hard to understand why someone can register here and a minute later start posting useless crap.
Write an Ible or be a member for at least a month - up to that moment every posting in the forum should be moderated and only be allowed to show up in the forum if it makes sense and is of interest to the community.
Instructables is about making things, not to replace Google for little kids.
But it seems the numbers for "members" are more of interest than keeping the website clean ;)

Yep, I agree with you, 99% of the questions can be answered by Google. Sometimes, For example, I don't know how and what words to type my question into Google... (but that's very rare)

Let's not start about "Is the K'nex community dead?" ...

I agree using Google (or any good search engine for that matter) requires that the person asking is able to define search terms.
I have seen it many times when teaching our older generation how to use the internet and Email that they do know what they want to find but they are unable to put it in the right words.
If you want to build a kite but prefer to get some instructions and maybe even detailed plans, the DUP might try this:
"I want to build a kite, need plans"
Of course he will be spammed by endless results where people went a step further (like they love to do here) and asked this in a forum or blog.
Knowing a bit how the web works and he might try this:
"Kite plans build tutorial" - replace tutorial with instructions or similar...
Of course if he already knows what he really wants, has never built a kite before and on top would like to see some videos about it:
"Easy delta kite plans download"
This way he will get a lot of results that should be a near perfect match.
When the "download" is removed and clicks on the "video" tab in the results he also finds instructions to watch and in some cases with a link in the disciption with further info.

I guess it would make sense to show a pop up that needs to be confirmed when a user makes his first posting here.
Something to remind him to first perform a Google search and only to ask a question if he/she can supply all the infos someone with no clue about needs to get a good picture.
We might have stoped the spammers (or the code monkeys did) but I see an endless amount of useless questions as spam as well.
Especially if the person asking never returns - which would indicate we have been too slow and the user used Google...

iceng (author)  Downunder35m8 months ago

+1

Well said !

I don't know if I'm supposed to do this, But this is an example:

Google it: How to start a new Instructable- There are 1,470,000 results

Ok, Someone has answered your question, He might deserve a best answer for taking his time to write a question...

iceng (author)  Yonatan241 year ago

Bad manners are people who Never reply to polite requests for details, to help us answer their posed question and a thank you, is as nice as a BA...

In all my years, I only recall three people who were really Angry RUDE..

I even get along with die hard (never schooled in thermodynamics) perpetual_motion violators..

EdCharette9 months ago

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blkhawk1 year ago

“It's an universal law-- intolerance is the first sign of an inadequate education. An ill-educated person behaves with arrogant impatience, whereas truly profound education breeds humility.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

“If ignorance is bliss, there should be more happy people.” ― Victor Cousin

“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.

“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
Stephen Hawking

iceng (author)  blkhawk1 year ago

Albert Einstein

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blkhawk iceng1 year ago
The wise men have spoken!

I like to think of myself as a wise guy, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk...

iceng (author)  caitlinsdad1 year ago

Continue to be Happy !

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gmoon1 year ago

Respect for others is one thing but it goes both ways, especially if people go overboard policing "stupid" questions.

A former Instructables regular who will remain nameless (he dropped out some time ago, over some unrelated disagreement with other regulars here) would often scold posters about what he considered to be stupid and unprepared inquires. He'd often have a small chorus of like-mined users who'd chime in to chide the OP to "just google it" and other exhortations.

Frankly, these responses usually involved more bandwidth than the original post -- which degrades the signal-to-noise ratio more? The uninformed question, or snobbish, snippy non-answers that paint the community in a negative light? Particularly when young, interested minds are concerned...

Yes, there are some stupid questions. Best to simply ignore them.

iceng (author)  gmoon1 year ago

I miss him....

We are attractive to people because of distinct very specialized
experience in applied engineering for (electronic, physical, chemical, mechanical, add yours here).

It is no wonder if a 13 year old believes we can help him build Robbie-the-Robot from a garbage can.... The second worst thing he wants to hear is get some experience in technical skills..

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Here...

gmoon iceng1 year ago

Are we attractive to people? ;-)

I miss several AWOL users. This forum isn't what it used to be, and it's certainly not more technically oriented, either (not compared to specific, focused nerdy websites). While I don't miss the religious / HHO / free energy dust-ups, some were at least interesting (and featured good science).

While I haven't dropped out of sight myself, I'm not nearly as vested here as five years ago or so. Multiple reasons for that, some private (I don't confuse my web presence with ME).

In the meantime, the Ible's forums have evolved to a more marginal presence...that's not a criticism, just an acknowledgment that the strength of Instructables is elsewhere (the projects themselves). And I don't see these forums as having priority here (witness their kludgy nature and long-standing bugs). It's a small enough community that anyone with the time and inclination can change the "tone" of the forums in a short time...

Still, chiding teenagers for not being as smart as "us" (whoever us is) is just self-gratification, IMO...

Goodhart gmoon1 year ago

I may not be able to, but I am going to try to be less scarce here.

gmoon Goodhart1 year ago

Cool. Good to see you, GH.

iceng (author)  Goodhart1 year ago

Real good to hear from you...

Ignoring is only an option until someone replies anyway.
Posting restrictions are the only real way ;)
Makes me wonder why we always need a workaround for ages until a solution is offered LOL

Kiteman1 year ago

I understand your sentiment (come on, chaps, there's a "Best Answer" button for a reason), but I think the "worst" offenders are unlikely to visit the forums and see this topic. Most questioners probably land there directly from google (after getting lots of hits on teen love or whatever), or hit the explore button, see "answers", and don't think of searching anywhere else.

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*blinks*

Okay?...

What exactly is that? ;)

It's a meme (Lord Kiteman, South Park, Ibles, parody, social commentary)

iceng (author)  caitlinsdad1 year ago

Always entertaining....

iceng (author)  caitlinsdad1 year ago

Dead-On