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I HATE group work.

HATE HATE HATE!

It is really the one thing I dread about school. More than anything. It makes me want to pull my hair out. It is a requirement in Kentucky schools that you have a group assignment in each class and it makes my life a living hell.

I always end up doing all the work and I really don't like other people getting the same grade as me for doing nothing!

For example - I am in a group with five other people right now, 3 of which are athletes. They can never do anything. They constantly say they're busy. They decided that we should do our outside work tomorrow, right before I have to go into work. And as if that's not stressful enough, none of them actually mentioned doing the work we need to do before we go out and do assessments.

The pre-assessment work is very involved - we have to do six physical activity assessments on elementary school kids, with 3 criteria that should be met for each assessment, as well as making up data collection sheets for each assessment. We also need to get our assessments OK'd by the teacher before we go.

So now I'm sitting here stressing out wishing that I could just do this project myself and ease the pain. I emailed the teacher and let him know what was going on, and none of my group mates have emailed me back yet.

I think I'm going to go make grumpy faces in the other room and get off the computer. :P

Hey, I feel your pain. Every time I've been in a group I've always been stuck with the lazies who don't do anything. >.< I'm an introvert too so that really makes it annoying to do group work. I'd rather do work alone because I get the mist done that way. I just do my best though and get through it the best I can. :)
VAustin892 years ago
I really hate it, I like to work alone since I can decide on what to do. Once I was in a group and assigned as a leader, I assigned them all the task, since I am the leader, and from that day no one wanted to be in a group with me. A win for my own.. =)
I hate it too, but group projects can be an opportunity to show off to the professor. For example, last year in my engineering class, we had to create a fake company and design a car/airplane hybrid. The other three members that I was assigned to were very apathetic about the whole thing.

Nobody wanted to be the "President" of the company so I volunteered, and I am NOT the leader type. Then we had to think of a company name. Again, nobody even made an effort. So I wrote down "J.P. Industries."

When the professor was announcing the new companies to the class, he got to ours and said, "You got them to name the company after you?" To which I replied, "Like a boss."

We had a week to work on the project(no time in class) and I managed to meet with each member(commuters) to discuss the design. We never actually got the whole group together at one time. I ended up doing the majority of the work, which was the powerpoint and computer models. But I made sure to include a watermark on most of the emements that I created. This way, I would receive credit for more a large portion of the content presented.

In the end, our company was far more prepared than the other companies, who had hand sketches at best.

I got an A by the way.
kelseymh5 years ago
You know what's worse than group work? Committees. All the crappiness of group assignments, and you're get to make up your own assignments! Gahhh....

This from someone almost, but not quite, double your age. No, it doesn't get any better than this...
I'm right there with you. I absolutely hate group work
1. bc there's always a freeloader
2. getting everyone's schedules to coordinate is nearly impossible
3. and in the end, you do all of the work b/c you want to make sure it actually get done...and gets done right!

If its any help, a girl in my group last semester suggested using this program called www.grouptable.com to collaborate on our project--and not lie, it really did help. The teacher was able to sign in as a guest and evaluate contributions by each member, upload documents, set up a group calendar to figure out schedules and deadlines AND the best part was the live group chat. I never had to sacrifice a sunday funday b/c I had to drive to campus to meet for a group project.

Group projects still bite a big one, but this did help.
If it makes you feel better, I have found that taking advantage of a position of superior intelligence can be alot of fun, I may have had to make my mates website for I.T. over night but he gave me pretty good reward, also you can control the group and ignore them completely.
You can do that because you are killer!
Plus I'm way louder than the other people...
Louder?
Basically when they bicker or ask for something you raise your voice to them, a swift backhand is an appropriate follow up... Damn minions...
I see...
Don't worry I don't really do that... I usually just poison them slowly until I get a decent set of people...
LOL! It looks like you are so bossy to your unwanted people!
Not really, they could be worse if they knew I was slowly murdering them, for the first bit of group work I had to do it with them, my first poison didn't kill them but it did effectively sterilize them...
LinuxH4x0r6 years ago
Group work sucks! I hate other people telling me how to do stuff. People suck. (which is ironic considering that ibles is awesome and we are a huge group)
'Ibles is awesome cause were a huge group of awesome people. Everybody else sucks. Haha.

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Plasmana Gjdj35 years ago
Yes!
Please excuse me if I seem to be in a rotten mood today. I happen to be an idiot magnet, and we were assigned a group project in Honors English. Of course, I get two moronic football jocks that only giggle and sniff markers the whole period (I'm serious, how the expletive did they get into honors?). I will also have to sit next to them for the entire year. I also got a really bad haircut, the lady didn't know what "just a trim" meant. Hummph.
Ferrite6 years ago
I usually doing all the work by choice, not because my group mates make me. I find it is a lot faster if I do the work rather than having to explain everything to the dummies that I am working with.
jessyratfink (author)  Ferrite6 years ago
I've done that before. It's pretty miserable, but at least I know I'm going to get a decent grade.
To get a decent grade and also to not waste time by explaining everything. I know that means that they are not learning the material, but oh well. I am also not learning team building skills but if I have a group with an average IQ of above 0, I usually divide up the work.
Yopu don't work at school to have god grades, but to learn things. What you learn when you do group work, is team working. If you do it alone, and have good grade, you just cheat !

Base of management is to explain to every team mate what is his part of the work, and how it is important that he does its part well so other people can also do a good work. As an example, you may :

-Make the plan (choose the subject, divide into parts)
-Gather with everybody asking "ok, who know how to do which part, who is willing to learn which part ?"
-Make the conclusion of you work all together, so every single team member knows what conclusion his part of the work will help leading to
-Make a planning of who has his part of the job due for when, you can use gantt chart to show every body who will be in a big sh.. trouble if the work is done to late (eg : the one who must do the power point presentation can't work if the one who should have done the photos has not send them yet)
-As a manager, you make regular meeting with one or two people working on the same part of the project, so you can be sure thay are doing there work, try to find solution if they are stuck, or remove some people from one task (which is going very well) and affect him/her to the task which is going wrong and might get averyone late in the end.

If be your competence and behaviour, other people in the team accept your as a manager / leader, you will help them learn, and do a better work. And you'll keep the more challenging part of the assignment for you :D

In france (I don't know how it is in your place), when you have a team work to do, you have 15 points which is depending on the overall team result, and 5 point which are depend on each individual work : what part did he take in the work, and how well he could do during the presentation to the classroom / teachers. If it goes that way where you live, you can also make clear who worked on which part (eg : each team member will present the part he worked on), so people will know their grade will depend on their commitment, that will motivate them.

A general thing is life is that you gain nothing from hating things / people. Just ignore them, or take them as interesting challenge ;)
treg treg6 years ago
Another (stupid but effective) thing to maintain good team cohesion, is making happy when they work, you could try things like : -Saturday every body come at my place to work on the project from 2pm to 6pm, I'll make a delicious chocolat cake, and after 6pm done or not, we stop working and go to the swiming pool -Find an interesting way to do your project, since you are free (you are to make a dinosaurus skeletton ? Tell your team that you will hade a flaw thrower in the mouth of the T-Rex if you have finished the skeletton soon enough -Make sure people learn things. Some day I spoke to a girl who was studing litterarue and hates math and all. After I spoke with her about leds and optic fiber and loudspeaker building, and after an hour, she said she whish she would be able to undestand all of that :D If you can interest people, teach them the way that suit them, you will learn very interesting things, that will be usefull to you later.
jessyratfink (author)  treg6 years ago
I've done many of the things you mentioned, and sometimes it works wonderfully. I do a great job being the team leader when people are responsive - but most times they just do not care. I can't tell you how many times I've spent an hour in class talking to the people I'm working with, thinking we're all set, and everyone knows what they need to do and they're okay with it - and yet later, a day before the presentation or due date, there are those in the group that failed to do any work and everyone else has to scramble and try to make up for it because it will seriously damage our grade. We do have the ability to grade our teammates, but it's not a very big chunk of the grade. It doesn't hurt them much and they don't care enough anyway. :P
>team leader when people are responsive - but most times they just do not care The more difficult, and imoprtant, part as a manager is just this : find what make each people work. It may be grades, it may be fear of being fired, but sometimes it's less evident (hope to get a promotion, just enjoy working because it's fun, wanting the pretty team leader to be happy, ). Also, making a meeting at the begining of the project, and then met again one days before the presentation is not enough : you must do reporting regularly to : -Help people knowing where they are with their work (some people, as me :p, just can't organize themselve as well as girls) -Help them solving the problem (be it a technical problem, lake of motivation -Be able to anticipate problems, and change responsabilities in the team in time, not the day before presentation. If you are working in a team of 4 people, maybe when your managing skills are not strong enough once every few project you can have one person that you jsut can put to work. Ok, this is sad, take it as a personnal failure BUT remember that it is not very important, you still have 2 people working "for you", you'll do better next time. I'm sure in the end you'll love managing people : you have good grades, you work seriously, you make great instructables... So just see yourself as the natural leader of you work group, and you'll do a good job as a manager too. Ps : did you try offering the athlets to make a plushie mascott of their team for them if they do a good work ? Some people just must be treated as children :D. Haha, I would write my instructable on time if I could win a plushie instructable robot :D
Firebert0106 years ago
Ugh, you're not the only one who always gets the workload dumped on them. I feel the same way. I'm in advanced classes for most of my subjects, but the academic classes always put me with the dumb jocks who don't work. You just gotta use it to get on the better side of your teacher or classmates...
ledzep5676 years ago
im assuming you are in high school? and the "athletes" saying they are busy is almost certainly true. i play lacrosse and i don't get home until 7 PM everyday, and almost every Saturday i have an away game that consumes every waking hour of that day. but i do agree with you, i hate having to explain things to other people. I just gave up and i do all the work because id rather have me and the rest of my group get a good grade then have them pull my grade down and us all get a mediocre grade. that must suck having group work a requirement... try and assign different tasks to the other people. like assign one person th writer and tell them what to write, assign one person the observer, one person the material collector. just brainless jobs that a monkey could do so it looks like they are doing work. i didn't even have to use spell check on this post...
jessyratfink (author)  ledzep5676 years ago
I realize they're busy, but not all day long every day. And maybe the teachers should take that into consideration, you know? I don't want to be inconvenienced because they have to practice 15 times a day doing something I don't care about. Not to mention the U of L athletes are ALWAYS traveling. It makes it so hard for them to be involved with anything and I hate doing all the work for them, which is what always happens. And I can't really assign them anything if they aren't checking their email at all. It's been hours since I emailed them and no response.
Oh my god! They don't check their email every hour? What an atrocity!
LOL I may check my email once a day, so expecting a prompt response is somewhat unreasonable.
the last time i checked my email was 2 months ago and it said i had over 200 emails! lol
For shame! They should be tortured by the Spanish Inquisition!
Nobody expects that Spanish Inquisition !


Monty Python FTW!
OH MY GOD! i JUST WATCHED THAT!

Excuse the caps =P
jessyratfink (author)  Weissensteinburg6 years ago
If they were concerned about this assignment, they would be paying attention! >:(
yea, i respect that(lol we are always traveling hahaha)

but, your probly just gonna end up doing all the work anyway.

maybe you could tell the teacher that they arent able to do it with sports and studying. i dont know cus im the "athlete" in this situation, your the student. sorry
Keith-Kid6 years ago
I feel your pain. Its not that all of the students in my class are lazy. Its that I get the lazy ones!
Does it matter?
Be happy-- you just won in a contest!

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I know how you feel.

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Gjdj36 years ago
Wow do I feel the same as you. I don't trust my grades in the hands of those who either do nothing or do something badly.

My greatest teacher ever had us do a lot of group work, it just wasn't for a grade. He'd test us afterwards to see if we learned the content. We got to do awesome projects like radio plays, animation, and things like that.

Hmm... (Wondering whether or not someone has posted an instructables on how to use Blender.) (Cursing the fact I haven't thought of this before Tool Tips month ended)
Kiteman6 years ago
As somebody that sets group work, I always ask the kids to add their name at the bottom of a page they write. No page is allowed to have two names on it, and no sections may be repeated.

If one member of the group has significantly more (or less) pages with their name on than the rest of the group, I adjust their marks accordingly.

I don't often ask them to do presentations, but when I do, I expect the work to be shared equally, which may mean one person not speaking, but preparing the slides instead.
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jessyratfink (author)  Weissensteinburg6 years ago
Instructablers ASSEMBLE! U of L is you destination and group work is your mission!
i hate group work because sometimes people will be work hoggs, then say "you didnt do any work!!!" yet they really didnt let me....and other times, you rely on someone to do a poster or something, then they forget and you both get screwed
jessyratfink (author)  teaaddict3146 years ago
That's true. I have had those things happen a few times... hence why I am always the "work hogg". :P I just don't trust anyone else with my grade. I feel bad about it but I can't help it!
jtobako6 years ago
The practical solution is to let them fail. If you are worried about your grade going down, do your work separately and turn that in (early!) on your own to show that you did take it seriously, but that the others didn't. In the long run (several years down the road) it won't matter, it will be a blip on your record that won't show if the rest of your grades are higher.
jessyratfink (author)  jtobako6 years ago
This is sort of the biggest assignment in the class, though, and involves a group presentation. So it's harder to do it all by myself without the teacher asking me WTF I'm doing. One of the girls finally emailed me back saying that she was going to take care of it with the other girl in the group, and they asked for my number, but I don't know what's going on because she hasn't replied back. Blech. :P
Labot20016 years ago
I hate 'em too. Same problem as you. No one wants to do the work, so I end up having to do most or all of it. And I don't want to fail, so I end up doing it anyway... I usually ask teachers if I can work alone on assignments, or otherwise choose who I can be on a group with; that way you don't get stuck with the lazy kids or the kids who didn't read Romeo and Juliet and the modernized skit that you're working on is due tomorrow :P
CameronSS6 years ago
Agreed...there are two people I can think of that I could do any sort of group project with-unfortunately, one is a grade above me, and one is my dad. Oddly enough, in my high school, there is much less group work than in middle school. Not counting work-together worksheets and such, at least.
Here's what I do, make an outline of what tasks each group member is supposed to do, submit to professor, do your work, submit what you were assigned. This bit where people are saying "I ended up doing all the work" you're letting yourself be victimized. You could move to another state, or opt for a jock free program.
trebuchet036 years ago
Does your teacher have you put your name next to the work you do? Our Senior design professors just started this - this everyone is accountable for their contribution on top of the entire project. Don't worry - the amount of group work you do only increases - and it keeps increasing until it really really matters (such as, college Graduation!). Luckily, the further you go - the more mature people are and the better they are at working with a schedule...
jessyratfink (author)  trebuchet036 years ago
Yes, but the problem is that the project hasn't even started. I love the idea of the end accountability, but right now... nothing is even happening, and I'm the only one that seems to care. :( The sad thing is that I am near the end of my studies, and I'm still dealing with people like this. And most of them want to be teachers, which only make me more frustrated about the whole thing. :P
Doctor What6 years ago
Totally agree. I hate working with others. Usually, when in a group, I just volunteer to do everything. At least I know what is getting done, and that it is getting done right. And right now, in RAM PREP, we have to do this thing with a partner, where we budget an income. First of all, being a loner, I don't really like anyone in the class. Second, the class barely does anything anyway. I usually just sit in the back of the room playing my Nintendo DS. I asked to work alone on the project, but noooooo.
Sunbanks6 years ago
I hate it when people just put all the work on one person! I remember last year we had to write a play and I was in a group with three other people and I ended up writing the whole play and typing it.
Ferrite6 years ago
I hate it too. It is a wast of time because it takes about 1/2 the time if i do it myself and don't have to explain everything to all of the people who are supposed to be helping me.
dsman1952766 years ago
yea thats happen to me many times!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hate school. i like my science teachers way of addressing that problem. she grades every body seprately.
Brennn106 years ago
I feel for you...as that happens on every group assignment. I am always left to do the work, and I often get punished for the work that my other group members claim that they will do...but either don't do it, or do a crappy job of it. I feel for you. Individualism for assignments, ftw!
That Sucks! You have my sympathy. I am in high school right now and when I came in I thought that there would be know more group work. Man was I wrong. It makes me sad, group work. Wish it was optional. Good Luck.
guyfrom7up6 years ago
that sucks