I Hate The New Instructables Layout.

I can understand you are trying to make the site more user friendly for people who are brand new to the site, but i am afraid to tell you it has been a disaster. The changes have left instructables with a very messy layout. A clean cut site is wheat people are looking for, and new people can easily settle in because of the simplicity. Undo your mistake and find a better solution to making the site more user friendly. I have an idea!

After you put the front page of instructables back to its original format, Place ( in a cool box )
A Big Exciting Link That Says "Take a Quick Tour Of Instructables.com!" And that will take new users to Ewilhelm's Tour Instructable. Hell, if you want, make sure the link can be clicked from any page on instructables, keep the link somewhere at the top, on the orange bar . Just remember to keep the link that is on the the Front Page Big And Exciting. 





IF YOU AGREE SAY PLEASE TRY AGAIN IN A COMMENT.



Thankyou Www.Instructables.com staff for listening

-Kevin C.

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jakebaldwin says: May 12, 2011. 8:41 PM
PLEASE Try again, Instructables.

I love your site. I visit nearly every day. I used to be able to catch up on all the latest and greatest instructables quickly, but now with the shuffling features, contests hidden away, icon size changed and names hidden until rollover, I can't. I can hardly even visit anymore. Instructables just... isn't even itself anymore.

Just change back. At least have the option to change back. I was extremely happy with the layout we've had for the past few years.
Kiteman in reply to jakebaldwinMay 13, 2011. 2:20 AM
Er, you have seen that this topic is about changes made over a year ago, right?
jakebaldwin in reply to KitemanMay 15, 2011. 5:06 PM
.........

I didn't look at the posting date. Oops.

I hope there's a thread for hating the new layout.

Thanks for the heads up.
beatyruth says: May 12, 2011. 8:50 PM
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Kiteman in reply to beatyruthMay 13, 2011. 2:20 AM
Er, you have seen that this topic is about changes made over a year ago, right?
beatyruth in reply to KitemanMay 13, 2011. 11:04 AM
Well--probably not! Not enough caffeine, I guess? I wanted to put in my two cents worth on the new changes but obviously didn't look hard enough for a new thread! Will take this off and look for a newer one.
hungyhipo 2 says: Oct 16, 2010. 12:20 PM
what do you mean "he quit"
ramzone2 says: Sep 15, 2010. 5:18 PM
ummmm didnt knexfreek quit ?
geodez says: Sep 14, 2010. 6:23 PM
Yes.
dark sponge says: Sep 12, 2010. 10:17 AM
I think it should default to the new way, but people should be able to change an option in their profiles so that it will always open the old way for them if they want.

Personally I was angry with the new layout at first, but then grew to like it.
smashpoe says: Sep 10, 2010. 7:51 PM
YES SO TRUE!!!!!! plzzz instuctables, i ask you from the bottom of my heart..... change the fricken layout back!!! PLEASE!!!
Pizzapie500 says: Aug 12, 2010. 9:33 AM
Yeah PLZ TRY AGAIN!
JustModIt says: Aug 8, 2010. 1:56 PM
please, pleeeeease try again!
Clayfig says: Aug 6, 2010. 11:36 PM
PLEASE TRY AGAIN!!!
Doctor What says: Jul 2, 2010. 8:02 AM
Hate is such a strong word.
Sketch98 in reply to Doctor WhatJul 25, 2010. 11:24 AM
but desperate times call for desperate measures
gr8scott says: Jul 16, 2010. 5:33 PM
I have regularly visited your site since 2008. I created a username/joined in June of 2009. Having said that, the new page layouts are TERRIBLE!! I loved this site because it was "basic" and the actual content was the focus of the site. Now the site is mish-mash of ads, and a layout that could have only been done by a graphic-arts flunkie!! Please bring back the "old" layout. This isn't a resistance to "change"--its a resistance to common sense vs. no common sense! Make the CONTENT of this site the focus again please!
KnexFreek (author) in reply to gr8scottJul 17, 2010. 5:09 PM
so true. amen
slipdiddy101 says: Jul 13, 2010. 9:52 AM
This layout is not good,not good at all..................
lockpick says: Jul 6, 2010. 9:49 PM
True very true
seabananers says: Jul 1, 2010. 6:40 PM
instructables was better when you could type in something for a search
Goodhart in reply to seabananersJul 1, 2010. 7:27 PM
The Graphical search option is still there....you just have to choose it.
chrystopherlewis says: Jun 17, 2010. 10:11 PM
I can't find things for the home section. When I do search for things they have thousands of pages of it. It's messy!
nitemaresindrome says: Jun 8, 2010. 8:47 AM
The previous layout was perfect. I don't really understand why they changed it. The current layout is unintuitive and navigating is not as quick or easy. I really have to dig around versus the previous layout had everything at my fingertips. The banners also cover up the navigation menus occasionally which is frustrating. Not everyone is in a position to be able to afford a pro membership...which may explain why some people are using instructables in the first place (cheaper DIY solutions!) Please, try again.
Javin007 in reply to nitemaresindromeJun 16, 2010. 8:36 AM
It's not much better for the pro members either. Now, even as a Pro member, I get banner ads. (Not as many, but still, I'm paying cash to look at banners now?) Worse still, while at work the other day, one of those ads started loudly playing audio. I really loathe this new design.
Javin007 says: Jun 15, 2010. 9:06 PM
I have to 100% agree. I loved the layout of the original site, and this new one is painful to navigate, not to mention simply amateur looking. This looks like the site that would've been up before the previous version. I can't say how much I hate it enough. The previous site was well organized, was easy to navigate to new, featured, and popular items, and simply WORKED. This new layout is so painful that it makes me not even want to view the site. I'm not someone who's opposed to change, IF the change is for the better. PLEASE change it back.
geodez says: Jun 12, 2010. 2:37 PM
Am I the only one that has the problem of after I leave a comment I cannot leave a new comment (the cursor won't show up in the comment box) and I cannot use the search bar (same problem) until I refresh the page or go to another page and then go back?
knexguy says: May 31, 2010. 4:34 AM
The new comment boxes won't load in my iPod :(
Pizzapie500 says: Apr 20, 2010. 6:21 PM
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kelseymh in reply to Pizzapie500Apr 20, 2010. 11:25 PM
"Some of us have been using this wonderful site for years!!"

Ummm...eight months isn't quite years.  It isn't even long enough to be born.
Pizzapie500 in reply to kelseymhApr 23, 2010. 4:55 PM
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kelseymh in reply to Pizzapie500Apr 23, 2010. 4:59 PM
It was not spam, and not inappropriate.  Not even not nice.  Just disingenous.
Pizzapie500 in reply to kelseymhApr 23, 2010. 5:04 PM
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kelseymh in reply to Pizzapie500Apr 23, 2010. 5:06 PM
The site is hosted in the U.S.  Users must be 13 or older (COPPA) or use a parent's e-mail as the contact address.

Disingenous means dishonest.
Pizzapie500 in reply to kelseymhApr 24, 2010. 7:08 AM
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kelseymh in reply to Pizzapie500Apr 25, 2010. 1:01 PM
Disingenuous carries the connotation of "deliberately misleading."  You're right that you never explicitly said, "I have been using this site for years."  You did use the first person plural (us) which is normally inclusive of the speaker (rather than saying "Some users here have been..." in third person).  Since you are not, in fact, a member of the group to which you implied membership, that's is accurately described as disingenous.  
jdtwelve12 in reply to kelseymhMay 14, 2010. 7:54 AM
I think some of Pizzapie500's confusion about "disingenuous" stems from the fact that in all but one instance, you've spelled it, "disingenous," (which, if it were a word, would mean something like "not producing in").

I agree with your initial point that the comment was disingenuous, though I think it hardly worth calling out.  I offer this clarification only so that any future policing of community discussions can carry the full didactic authority you intend.
kelseymh in reply to jdtwelve12May 14, 2010. 10:30 AM
You wrote, "I think some of Pizzapie500's confusion about "disingenuous" stems from the fact that in all but one instance, you've spelled it, "disingenous," ".

What?  Let me scroll back...aw, crap.  Yes, you're right.  I misspelled it three out of four times.  Good catch :-(
Pizzapie500 in reply to kelseymhApr 26, 2010. 6:05 PM
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kelseymh in reply to Pizzapie500Apr 26, 2010. 7:05 PM
I'm not planning to complain, and obviously the Staff and FT aren't going to do anything about one conversation.  I used a term you didn't know, to describe what you wrote, and you asked what it meant.  If you don't like that, that's fine, but at least now you have a new word.
RavingMadStudios in reply to kelseymhApr 25, 2010. 6:32 PM
Q.E.D.
Pizzapie500 in reply to RavingMadStudiosApr 26, 2010. 6:05 PM
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kelseymh in reply to Pizzapie500Apr 26, 2010. 7:05 PM
Ah, now you have two new words.  Good outcome.
RavingMadStudios in reply to Pizzapie500Apr 26, 2010. 6:32 PM
Latin - Quod Erat Demonstrandum "That which was to be demonstrated". Used at the end of mathematical proofs and philosophical debates to indicate that the arguments have concluded and the point has been made.
kelseymh in reply to Pizzapie500Apr 20, 2010. 11:24 PM
What does "vNO" mean?
Pizzapie500 in reply to kelseymhApr 23, 2010. 4:56 PM
Hmm i'm not sure. I was probably rushing that comment... Btw it's just a typo... I was using crtl+v to paste so maybe i forgot to press ctrl.
Corrugated says: May 9, 2010. 6:21 PM
 I like the new look and structure its just I do find stuff harder to find now ( Lurked the site for about a year before registering) and I know the topic is a bit dead but could a page be added with all the categories on it? Would just make it a lot easier rather than going through sub-menu's.

Thanks Heaps
-Corrugated
kodykin says: May 8, 2010. 11:40 PM
i agree with the people of this post. i do not like the way instructables is laid out. i can not find anything anymore. the old search engine was better because it had pictures. but i do love instructables because i love diy projects! i just want to see it back to the way it was.
tim_n says: May 8, 2010. 12:13 PM
The old layout was more intuitive, even if it was too busy.

I used to enjoy seeing lots of new instructables - it was also really nice to watch your instructable go from 'recently submitted' to 'featured' work its way down then goto 'popular' - though I agree it seems a bit silly to make it drop down the page twice, but it did wonders for your page views.

Unfortunately the new layout doesn't play nice with IE6 which I use at work - so if I want to search for something, I can't easily because the system just doesn't work (buttons all over the place).

I did prefer it the way it was - it looks so empty now I look at it and I seem to be endlessly scrolling down.

I won't disappear off from instructables, but I will be awaiting the next layout which will perhaps fix some of the problems I've highlighted.
Nibs says: May 2, 2010. 8:34 AM
...Is it really only about the change in Layout? Let's dig deeper.

Easy Truffles, Mothers Day Ideas, Sew a Custom Bag?  What's going on inside Instructables? Have you been taken over by Martha Stewart, or Real Simple magazine?

There is a place for "Easy Chocolate Truffles" and a "Guys Guide to Buying Flowers" it's called Sunset Magazine (which I love), but I loved Instructables because it was edgy, and distinct and it filled a unique niche that needed to be scratched. it was an outlet for the citizen inventor, a bulletin board for the creative geek, an idea museum for the designer, and a laugh out loud for all of us who combed through silly projects.

Please Instructables, don't be another promising, unique web venue that abandons their roots. We want to learn about 10,000 things to do with LEDs, how to make a bamboo bike, or a PVC bed, or how to hack a Moleskine notebook. Let Eating Light magazine stretch its readership by instructing its audience on how to make Double Chocolate Cheesecake, and let Craft Magazine teach us how to Sew a Custom Bag.

Come on folks what do you think? Am I wrong here?
RavingMadStudios in reply to NibsMay 4, 2010. 6:29 AM
Instructables is a site for DIY and how-to information sharing of all kinds. Personally, I think it's great that I can learn how to build a POV display for my ceiling fan, make an inverted tomato planter out of a soda bottle, make a potato cannon, bake gingerbread, and sew throw pillows all in the same place. But then, I have eclectic interests.
There are plenty of categories out there that you can use to narrow the focus of what you see displayed, if you are disturbed by the sight of truffle recipes and sewing patterns. Restricting content to niche subjects would just decrease membership and traffic, which could cause the whole site to fold for lack of revenue, and then there would be no content at all.
hakemsaeed says: May 1, 2010. 12:42 PM
Nice that you are caring for the site ,
 my notice : the footer needs some changes , like the line under the link , it's in orange :| also the divider , oh no  it do have a black background  
1ofakindwork says: Apr 26, 2010. 7:26 PM
What happened here, I can't figure out how to search for anything i'm looking for.  I know it's been awhile since my last visit, but what are they trying to get rid of me or something.  Anyone please tell me the secret!
kelseymh in reply to 1ofakindworkApr 26, 2010. 8:31 PM
Look at the big giant white box in the middle of the page, where you can type in text, with the big orange Search button next to it.  I'bles is paying to use Google's search engine internally, which does not produce nicely filtered or sorted output. 

If you want to use the old search interface (which is known to miss some information on site), follow the Graphical Search link right next to the big orange Search button.
Tool Using Animal says: Apr 26, 2010. 3:53 AM
This seems as good a spot as any to drop the comment that a couple of meatspace friends "hate the layout", the particular thing they both hated was the mixing of questions in with projects when browsing categories.

To quote " I'm looking for cool projects, I don't care what some ***** doesn't know how to do".

me? meh, I never use the front page, or categories.
NachoMahma in reply to Tool Using AnimalApr 26, 2010. 11:04 AM
.  Excellent observation. That's just the kind of feedback I'd want if I were designing a web site.
.  I think many of the ppl complaining about the changes are forgetting that how new visitors view the site (is the layout appealing, is it easy to navigate, can I find what I'm looking for, &c) can have a big effect on signups and signups have a big effect on subscriptions (pro) and subscriptions have a big effect on whether or not the site survives.
.  Yes. Having to change some of my Ibles surfing routines is a bit inconvenient, but I'm a 50+ yo, old fart who is set in his ways and doesn't like any changes. All these youngsters shouldn't be complaining. ;)
Brennn10 says: Apr 18, 2010. 6:48 AM
I really like this new layout.  I am just wondering if it is possible to add photos to the left of each search result.
kelseymh in reply to Brennn10Apr 18, 2010. 8:03 AM
It seems not, although Canida says they're looking into it.  They've paid to use the Google Search API (which is also why there are ads), and that API doesn't appear to easily support adding content to results.
KnexFreek (author) in reply to kelseymhApr 24, 2010. 10:32 AM
 the google search is nice... but the button for the graphical search thingy should be much bigger. 
TheFoofinator in reply to KnexFreekApr 25, 2010. 12:36 PM
 It is idiotic! it won't let me search for the top rated ibles and only comes up with the latest and most featured! And it took me half an hour to find that button!
lemonie in reply to TheFoofinatorApr 25, 2010. 12:49 PM
kelseymh in reply to KnexFreekApr 24, 2010. 2:28 PM
I think the point is that they are moving to the Google search as the primary interface.  That may mean that soon the old search DB won't even be updated, or some such thing.  In any event, the difference in emphasis is deliberate, and meant to guide users in a particular direction.

We might disagree with that direction, but that's a separate issue :-)
KnexFreek (author) in reply to kelseymhApr 24, 2010. 3:31 PM
well duh.... BUT i still think they should make the freaking button a little dam bigger
DJ Radio in reply to kelseymhApr 22, 2010. 4:52 PM
What a waste of money.  In my honest opinion the old search was better than what they are using now.
kelseymh in reply to DJ RadioApr 22, 2010. 4:54 PM
I do not disagree with you on this one, DJ.  However, you need to ask (and consider) what the right metric is.  In terms of presentation and user interface, I think the old search is far better.  In terms of completeness and accuracy of results, Google is better.  Staff (Randy) have said that the latter is their metric.
DJ Radio in reply to kelseymhApr 22, 2010. 6:16 PM
I don't really understand what you mean by "metric", but I found the old search to be really accurate- if I knew what I wanted to search for, it delivered.  Not so with the new search.  

I decided to search for an instructable by using the username of the author who wrote the ible, and none of the ibles he actually posted showed up on the first 3 pages.  Not even by keyword did the instructable I wanted show up.  I had to type the exact title of the instructable in to get a real result.

Can you explain what you mean by "Metric"
kelseymh in reply to DJ RadioApr 22, 2010. 8:29 PM
Sorry!  "Metric" means "what you measure."  In this context, it means what quantity you are using to judge the outcome.  If you say to me, "K'nex projects are better if they use fewer pieces," then your metric is "piece count."

With these two search engines, there are different metrics that could be used -- number of results, relevance (however defined) of results, presentation or order, number missed, number of extra (irrelevant), and so on.

In this case, the Google search apparently is more complete -- fewer missed results that "should have been found."  But the old search was more relevant -- the results it did find matched your criteria.
Brennn10 in reply to kelseymhApr 18, 2010. 8:05 AM
I see.  Thanks for the clarification. 
NYPA says: Apr 23, 2010. 3:03 PM
I really don't care.
knex_builder_freak says: Apr 18, 2010. 6:06 PM
Idk it's a ok layout but I dont like it AS MUCH. but I'd enjoy if it was back to normal :/
TheChemiker in reply to knex_builder_freakApr 18, 2010. 10:04 PM
Same here.  For some reason now, I can't post forum topics.
kelseymh in reply to TheChemikerApr 19, 2010. 11:32 AM
Is that still true?  Could you try posting a (new) bug report about this?  Let me know, either via PM or my Orangeboard, if you can't do so, and I'll post a bug report on your behalf.
TheChemiker in reply to kelseymhApr 20, 2010. 4:21 PM
I will pm you.  It is weird, ever since we changed the layout, I have tried multiple times to post different forum topics, and when I try to publish it, It just takes me to a white screen and never loads.  It is annoying.
knex_builder_freak in reply to TheChemikerApr 19, 2010. 10:58 AM
Pretty sure I can so idk.
182515 says: Apr 20, 2010. 2:20 PM
I Liekd the old layout better also. I mainly dont like the new search bar, I liked the old one much better. I always go back to useing the graphical search.
lemonie in reply to 182515Apr 20, 2010. 2:43 PM
tim_n says: Apr 19, 2010. 12:34 PM
Not that sounding like a broken record helps, but I don't like the new search - I first thought it was a google ad - then realised the old search had popped off.  I noted the graphical search button which is fine - but it would be best as the default, I'm not really interested in text links - graphical search was what made instructables truly great for getting me interested in projects I wouldn't bother with if I read lame descriptions for which my projects are known for!
kelseymh in reply to tim_nApr 19, 2010. 12:50 PM
This is a great comment, with specific details and reasoning.  Unfortunately, adding it as a comment to a rude and extremist rant is unlikely to get the attention of staff.  Would you consider reposting it in the main topic discussing the site modifications?
MegaMetal8 says: Apr 19, 2010. 10:17 AM
i dont really like the new search

coz i really prefer the graphical search

but each time you have to change it over
qwerty987 says: Apr 16, 2010. 3:53 PM
how do you get around now.

kelseymh in reply to qwerty987Apr 16, 2010. 3:55 PM
Walking?  On a bike?  In a sporty orange convertible?
qwerty987 in reply to kelseymhApr 17, 2010. 2:09 PM
i got that off the internet i meant how do i get around the site now.
kelseymh in reply to qwerty987Apr 17, 2010. 8:46 PM
The same way as before, by clicking on hyperlinks or by using the search to find what you want.
qwerty987 in reply to kelseymhApr 18, 2010. 4:57 AM
oh i thought that took you to different sites
sprout_less says: Apr 17, 2010. 1:17 PM
 hate the new layout
KnexKrazed says: Apr 16, 2010. 12:09 PM
I Thought I Walked Into A Replica Website, The Ones That Are Made To Steal Passwords, And I Have To Say, I Hate That You Can't Just Search At The Top Of The Page. Very Upsetting. I Might Not Even Post My Knex Slide Action Crossbow And Airsoft Gun...
KnexFreek (author) in reply to KnexKrazedApr 17, 2010. 10:52 AM
 same
64runners says: Apr 15, 2010. 8:07 PM
Lol 1 Rating who's is it?? 0.0
KnexFreek (author) in reply to 64runnersApr 17, 2010. 10:52 AM
lol
The Jamalam says: Apr 16, 2010. 1:21 AM
I would like to go back to the old layout, but this sort of thing happens all the time on community websites. They did it on Facebook, Youtube, even here before you came. Users try to get it to change back, but they never succeed and eventually get used to the new layout in time for the next update.
KnexFreek (author) in reply to The JamalamApr 17, 2010. 10:51 AM
 yep, it will never change.
knexfreak95 says: Apr 14, 2010. 6:09 PM
 please try again
AND go back to the old search engine
KnexFreek (author) in reply to knexfreak95Apr 15, 2010. 1:13 PM
 Thankyou for your input, and i 100% agree.
kenexinator in reply to KnexFreekApr 15, 2010. 5:36 PM
AGREED

KnexFreek (author) in reply to kenexinatorApr 15, 2010. 7:18 PM
 thankyou
kenexinator in reply to KnexFreekApr 16, 2010. 4:18 AM
knexfreek its either your ignoring my comments or you have alot ???
didnt you like my sweet revenge mod???
KnexFreek (author) in reply to kenexinatorApr 17, 2010. 10:51 AM
 Ask me if i have alot? ARE YOU F--Ing kidding me... OMG my computer isnt fast enough to let me answer the comments i get a day. I CANT even use my comment tracker anymore, its not fast enough, i have to go through my ibles and find all the comments
Kiteman says: Apr 15, 2010. 5:15 AM
What exactly is the problem?

I've been offline for a week, missed Sunday's roll-out, and walked smack into the new layout this morning.

Seems fine to me.
LoneWolf in reply to KitemanApr 16, 2010. 11:53 AM
Yes!!!!! Somebody else likes it!!!!!!!!
kelseymh in reply to LoneWolfApr 16, 2010. 11:54 AM
I like the new layout, too, very much.  There are a few things which could be tweaked, but not much.  And I do like the Google search as well, though I can see it's limitations and problems.
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