Meh, Waffleman is the only one to have consistently entered, so you could probably still catch up. I am sorry, but I already told someone else I wouldn't be taking late entries. HOWEVER, because I'm disappointed in the turn out of this one, I'll probably make folding repeaters a revisit challenge in the future. For now, see if you can take on the next challenge. Best of luck. d(^_^d)

Hmm, looks very promising. I like how it has a handle magazine, though before the next folding gun challenge you should see if you can get it to fold as well. That'd be excellence.

Surely someone could do something. Heck, really all you need is a bunch of you to agree to compete and then just have a judge or two. Then you all can agree on the concept.

Too much of a hassle for too few people. Other people are welcome to continue it, I just won't personally do it.

Meh, I didn't get any entries despite the two weeks. But then I'm sure people are extra prepared for this week's entry. It seems like challenges are either a hit or miss and time will rarely affect it. I'm just not gonna bother with a two week notice anymore. I'll update this thread on Saturday. By the looks of it, the contest isn't taking off. I'll do one more challenge after this and if I don't have more than four entries like the first week, then I'm just gonna let it die or let someone else try to continue it.

...as in you have two challenges, one is due the week after. I'm sure people gathered, otherwise they need to read more.
And why is it a bad concept? It's entirely possible, I guess no one is capable of it. And that's the problem, people who give up and think "oh, I can't make it, so it must not be possible at all." Wait, now I'm confused, now you're calling it simple? Anyway, the whole reason I'm doing simple ones like the flat gun IS BECAUSE PEOPLE COMPLAIN THINGS ARE TOO HARD.
Well hur dur, it's why I've been asking for suggestions for concepts people want to do but very few people have actually suggested anything. -_- So then I do spit out ideas that I personally want to see done and try people to do things they're not used to. If people want to do exactly what they want THEN THEY SHOULD BUILD IT ALREADY! I shouldn't have to motivate someone to do something they already want to do, so I'm challenging them to do stuff they haven't done much of.
And you're being a bit contradicting by saying that you don't like shotguns or slingshots yet then you go on to say I should appeal to what people like, and that people don't like guns that don't have potential for war. ...well then, am I supposed to say "hey, show me your best TR!" Hell no, I'm tired of that. I'm sick of that mentality, that was the point of this contest. I'm not worried about war potential. People need to stop being so obsessed over whether a concept has potential for war or not. In that case, I'd only be putting out the shotgun and slingshot concepts because they're long overdue for being perfected for use in war.

I am rather tired of the contest already. If you really think you can make it run better (seriously, not spitefully) then I henceforth hand control over to you. I'll go about trying to improve the community in other ways. If you're not up for running a contest, then maybe someone else will pick it up. I should really focus on starting that video series anyway.

The funny thing is you've been more insulting here. I haven't directed a single word at you personally. But the second funny thing is that you act as if you, Kinetic, innovanna, and Oblivitus are the community. You guys are great innovaters, sure, but what about the rest of the community? It's dying, we need to keep getting new members and helping them progress instead of relying on a handful of people to do everything. It's when all the innovators of previous times left or fell idle that the community suddenly slowed down and we asked ourselves "has K'nex reached its limit?" Luckily the handful stepped up and said no. But what happens when all the current innovaters quit?

And just a quick point on the war weapon part. I was going to work into war concepts. Most of them were going to be more advanced, so I was gonna give it a little more time. And actually, that was the point of working on smaller concepts. We'd work our way up into making something war worthy, like repeating shotguns for example. I ask that you stop assuming what my intentions are. Never mind that now.

Anywho, I'm not looking for a fight. So let me just wrap this up ignoring any personal points. I'm perfectly aware my building abilities have peaked for the moment and I just can't think of what to build, hence why I'm seeing if others can build what ideas I have. No one else is taking much initiative in helping make the community active. I don't like being a leader, it's in my INTP/INFP personalty. So I'm only trying to get others to work with me, not always for me. If I can't handle something though (like this contest for example) then I'll see if someone else can. I'm done here. I don't want to continue an argument. If you want, then keep the contest going, run it how you like, see if you can get more people to join, I don't see why you took offense to me handing it over. If you want to keep building, sure, whatever.

Alright, thanks, man. Yeah, I know I can't do it alone. That's why I made the thread for it, I need help and I was wondering who was all capable. I didn't want to start until I had solid volunteers. But no one has really answered the thread yet, so I'll bump it.

Simple, other people to do videos for topics they may be more avid about than I am.

It depends on the size of the build. I'll usually try building whatever it is unless I'm pressed for time and just want to show them. The idea will be to at least build one gun that demonstrates the purpose of that lesson.

I'll do so tomorrow. Was at my newphews' birthday party all day out of town and I can't be bothered to do it now, I need to get to bed early.

It shouldn't be so difficult in theory. We have a great example of a semi automatic revolver. So really if you take that concept and then just make a way for the trigger to also lock back the hammer when you pull it down, you'd have this concept down. But alright, I guess we'll come back to this one in the future.

Then no points are awarded. I can't really help anything so we'll just proceed and I'll hope people participate in future challenges. I'll have to keep them easier than I thought I guess.

So what do you gain by saying it? Doesn't really matter to me, we'll simply do it in the future when we have more people and after everyone has gained a little more skill.

Challenges? I don't know, we'll go on as long as possible, but I'll see about awarding prizes at certain benchmarks, like first to 50 points or something like that.

C'mon, keep pushing. You've been doing great so far at staying in the game.

1. This contest isn't about what you like, but that's just me--oh wait, it's about everyone. XP I'll be doing things that others don't like but others do, that's just a fact everyone will have to deal with.
2. I don't know, I just decided that I'd like to build weapons in slingshot configuration, but I hate having an open barrel, so I'd like someone to perfect the concept because I have so little experience or patience. So yeah I look forward to this one too. But I do want to wait until I have quite a few people working before I get into these bigger ones.
3. I have yet to see a simple one, one without broken parts and that is actually as perfect as possible. If it's easy, great, we can get it out of the way. If it's hard, great, now we have a challenge. That's the point of this contest.
4. I think that people haven't given shells guns enough consideration. If you could make a double stack magazine (something more doable with shelled rounds) so that capacity isn't as much of a problem, it's a nice alternative to other power maximizing methods. I don't think they've been perfected quite yet.
5. Yeah, I just mean making the best, slim horizontal magazine. Something to hopefully put into an actual P90 sometime.
6. Yes, I mean something three layered thick with nothing sticking out. Really? Wanna show me? I recall only mine really. And the point is to make them good. -_- I'm not picking only the war weapon worthy concepts, we'll be tackling everything.
7. It has, but not exactly perfected. Else it'd be useful, especially for replicas.

So overall, we're doing things that are fun and/or cool, not just helpful.

1. And I told you what I thought about your thoughts, it's all fair. XP
3. Alright, glad you see.
4. Yeah, there is still some hidden potential. People think it's too gimmicky to give it serious thought. And I've actually built a magazine that was I think 2.5 layers wide inside so that the shelled rounds were double stacked. I didn't know how I'd turn it into a single stack, though, so never kept working with it. I suppose it might be possible to make a double stack for plane rods, but I don't think it'd be as reliable.
5. Yeah, I know. I don't care how the bullets are orientated. If they were side ways, you could maximize capacity and still just shoot them sideways. I won't be picky about performance shootingwise.
6. Simple, it's just something different. Something that others may or may not be capable of.

Through what kind of semi auto mechanism were you thinking it'd fire?

Alright, as long as you have an entry in before tomorrow. I was beginning to worry I wouldn't have any for this round.

Actually, I do like videos more than pictures, but both would be nice.

Sorry, but yes.

Best of luck. Hope I can see an entry out of you.

Pardon me for being vague. I guess my internal thinking was that I wanted people to take a base concept and innovate for themselves so I wouldn't tell them exactly what I wanted. The idea is to see what you think you could do to make it better.

Basically think of it this way, if there isn't anything realistic you can think of to improve your gun, it'll be a five. Otherwise it'll be a three or four depending if the concept works but there's stuff that could make it better.

As for answering your questions directly:
A. If it conceals the gun and is reasonably sized, that's fine. I don't know how big your gun is, so I can't say what it'd earn.
B. Again, this is fine, as long as it automatically folds out and holds steady. Something wanting a five, though, would have an automatic lock.

Fair enough. That's why Jollex suggested I mention two challenges. I'd rather have one skipped and one solid entry than two or less shaky entries.

Well, it's been done before, so now you guys just have to worry about perfecting it. We kind of left it on the table all this time so it's about time we finish folding guns. Look to previous examples for inspiration.

It's funny, it was really supposed to be a simpler challenge in the eyes of other builders, but you indeed are more of a big builds person.

Yes, you can enter on Friday. Given my free time, I'll probably do all judging and start the next challenge on Saturday morning.

You don't absolutely need a video for points, but then I want a detailed explanation of your concept, how far it shoots, any inconsistency in accuracy, any problems like that, etc.

A week should be long enough for most challenges. I said I'd extend the time for concepts that would need it. You're dramatizing the entry process. Between 7 days to do so, even 30-60 minutes of free time a day should allow for plenty of time to prepare an entry. I want to keep these challenges coming out at a steady pace.

I'll have to do that. I'll propose two challenges this week. At first I wasn't too keen about giving people an advantage, but it doesn't matter too much. If people finish the current challenge, they can get a headstart on the next challenge.

Of course. It's one of those things I was hoping people would think about adding.

Yup. Look forward to seeing your entry.

Of course. You got until next Friday to make something.

Back from vacation now, I'll say this Friday I'd like all entries in. Sorry, yeh, the start was rather slow. I'll hope to pick up pace as we get more people involved.

Again, I hate to be so limiting, but we'll have plenty of other rounds as well. We're gonna stick close to this concept just this time. The idea is a shell but on a rail essentially. I realize their are other methods, other shotgun concepts entirely as well, so we'll just finish this one and tackle those at other times. I'm thinking what I might end up doing is a few root challenges. Basically after we've explored a bunch of different concepts for a similar purpose, I'll have everyone go out and build what they think would make the best weapon for that purpose. For example, shotguns in general for war purpose. It's a delicate balance of choosing specific concepts so we can perfect them and leaving it open so we can cut straight to the point, so I think that'll be my solution.