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## Logic breaks reality

Cheese has lots of holes. The more holes you have, the less cheese you have. The more cheese you have, the more holes you have.
So logically, the more cheese you have, the less cheese you have.

This got me thinking and I'd quite like to see if anybody has anything similar to this logic fail.

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ajleece7 years ago
A hole isn't a thing. As you get more cheese. The only thing you're getting is more cheese.
7 years ago
"A hole isn't a thing." You should explain that to your computer (or at least, to the engineers who designed the microprocesor). It just might stop working.
7 years ago
What? A hole is a location, so to speak. The holes in cheese are where cheese isn't.
7 years ago
Look up how semiconductors work. You'll discover that there are both electrons (negative charge carriers) and holes (positive charge carriers).
7 years ago
hole=proton?
7 years ago
Nope, protons are hydrogen nuclei. Holes are what get left behind when an electron picks up enough energy to move from the "valence band" up to the "conduction band" in a semiconductor.
7 years ago
No, protons are (insert any element) nuclei.
7 years ago
Fascinating. You're going to argue with a professional physicist. Protons are the nuclei of H-1. Period. Other nuclei have constituents which are protons and neutrons, in bound systems.
7 years ago
But you said protons are hydrogen nuclei. Which is wrong. Protons are can make up any element. For instance, chlorine has 23 protons per atom.
7 years ago
A bare proton, floating around by itself, is the nucleus of hydrogen-1.

Other nuclei are strongly bound systems of protons and neutrons.

A chlorine nucleus has 17 protons (not 23), and has anywhere from 18 to 20 neutrons, depending on the isotope (Cl-35 has 17 protons and 18 neutrons, Cl-37 has 17 protons and 20 neutrons).

A proton is a nucleus, a very specific one (H-1). A nucleus (in general) is not a proton, it is a bound system of protons plus neutrons.
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