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Logic Bow

FROM NOW ON I WILL NOT BE REPLYING TO QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED BY THE VIDEO OR THE WRITING BELOW, EXCEPT TO SAY "READ THE TOPIC AND WATCH THE VIDEO"

UPDATE: The concept behind The Logic Bow (put simply so everyone can understand)
By using a ratchet system to hold the bands behind the pin you can:
@ Decrease pin friction in barrel
@ Increase pullback distance
@ Increase power
@ Make the pin easier to pullback
@ Have a simple rail system

I have now uploaded a clip of the firing system in action for those of you who don't understand how it works

UPDATE: HOW IT WORKS
This is a pin type gun, not a slingshot. It uses a ratchet system to hold the rubber bands, therefore increasing the amount of bands that can be used and increasing ease of pullback. These bands are released when the trigger is pulled, propelling the pin into the bullet. This means that the effective pullback distance is increased, therefore increasing the range and power.

well here is the first "new thing" I have done in ages, (the last Truly innovative thing I built was the D-Frag grenade) the Logic Bow. It uses an all new 4-stage firing system that runs between two rails (I tried using a dual rail system but that didn't work out). So far I have the mech working, but it needs the rest of the body, the bow, a handle and probably a stock. It is a single shot that should have more power than a pin gun, the really cool thing about it is that although it uses a pin mech the pin takes almost no effort to slide back.

I will keep you updated as the project progresses, Feel free to ask any questions.

Update: I finished the entire gun and uploaded a couple of pics (see below)

This will soon be posted.

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geodez says: Jun 17, 2010. 8:50 AM
How Very Logical.
shadowninja31 says: Nov 24, 2009. 8:26 PM
Looks pretty good.....
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 24, 2009. 8:39 PM
thanks.
sprout_less says: Nov 21, 2009. 5:59 PM
 if you still have to pull back rubberbands why is it so eaasy to pull the ram
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 21, 2009. 7:15 PM
You can pull the bands back one at a time, there are no rubberbands attached to the ram. Look at the video.
sprout_less says: Nov 22, 2009. 3:10 PM
 yes but you still have to pull them back.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 22, 2009. 3:14 PM
but you can pull them back individually
sprout_less says: Nov 23, 2009. 5:02 PM
 Ok whatever, it's decent
Lowney says: Nov 18, 2009. 12:22 PM
Cool, nice one. I had an idea for this kind of thing too, but I turned it into my mag-fed crossbow.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 12:36 PM
thanks, I am going to post this once I get it perfect
travw says: Nov 20, 2009. 11:36 PM
I think most decently skilled knexers could build this anyway.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 21, 2009. 1:48 PM
Then build it.
travw says: Nov 21, 2009. 6:52 PM
Maybe.
If so, I'll make it a couple sections longer. =)
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 21, 2009. 7:13 PM
I tried making it longer, 64's didn't work as well so I reverted it.
travw says: Nov 21, 2009. 7:24 PM
Yeah, I guess. Oh well.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 21, 2009. 7:28 PM
you could just use bigger bands....
travw says: Nov 21, 2009. 7:33 PM
Well, I only have 3.5 inch bands, and 7 inch bands. And I don't really want to have a barrel twice that large.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 21, 2009. 8:15 PM
of course not, the gun is already on the long side.
Lowney says: Nov 18, 2009. 12:47 PM
Yeah I you mentioned that to someone else. A mag perhaps? I know this would be odd because it has long reload times but hey.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 1:58 PM
The thing is I find repeaters a liability in battle, sure you can fire howevermany shots you have at a relitively high rate, but then you are stuck reloading them, single shots do not have this problem, therefore while you are rewinding your tr18 turret or refilling your oodammo mag, I am firing sniper rods at you from over 40m away (120 feet)
DJ Radio says: Nov 18, 2009. 2:00 PM
Or while you pull ammo out of your pocket and try to stuff it in the barrel, I get a gun capable of rapid fire, run up, and rush you.  My Jackal only takes about 5 seconds to reload a new mag.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 2:04 PM
while you are running up to me I can probably fire 2-3 shots at you before you are in range, then I pull out a GOP25 and nail you with my superior ammo capacity.
DJ Radio says: Nov 18, 2009. 2:09 PM
120 feet requires a miracle to hit someone.  You can't be that accurate even with a slingshot gun.  I'd just duck and dodge until you run out, then when you take 5 minutes to reload, I slam a new clip in and rush you.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 19, 2009. 3:52 PM
actually it takes me under 10 seconds to reload. Also you pistol has a range of 50 feet, I could easily pick you off from 70. also you are forgetting about my side arm which has a range of roughly 15m, this is less than your pistol but if you stay at that distance I can still easily pick you off with loser bow and dodge your bullets, sooner or later I am going to hit you.
DJ Radio says: Nov 20, 2009. 5:26 PM
I can get more range with my pistol, I just only have 2 bands on.  You can't really pick me off from 70 feet, that would seem like a long range with lucky shots involved.  At a longer range, I'll use a bigger assault rifle, not the pistol.  I'd just run in and rush you when I was close enough.
TheDunkis says: Nov 21, 2009. 8:47 AM
You two remind me of little 10 year olds play the imaginary I win game. Repeaters win wars. You simply cannot hit people at far range. K'nex aren't accurate enough or fast enough. I would say shotguns are probably the best weapons for war however it's hard making them. I think I might revive my old shell concept for the Oodast. I'm pretty sure that the MeZak or maybe the Oodast would be your best choice. You can easily reload them with clips and you can pick up rounds off the ground and quickly add them to the magazine.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 21, 2009. 1:30 PM
Maybe I should have posted the TFSSG, that thing was awsome.
DJ Radio says: Nov 21, 2009. 8:50 AM
You CAN hit someone at long range, but that takes a little bit of luck, and a fat/slow opponent.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 21, 2009. 1:29 PM
Especially if you have guns like the LB that fire their bullets faster than ordinary guns.
DJ Radio says: Nov 21, 2009. 2:12 PM
Slingshots can fire even faster than LB.  If it was up to me, Id use a rectangle or the OMEN as a singleshot.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 21, 2009. 7:12 PM
LB actually has a faster bullet velocity than many slingshots. The thing is that this is not a gun that I would recomend for war, it's a working prototype for goodness sake!
travw says: Nov 20, 2009. 11:18 PM
DUDE, WE UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 21, 2009. 1:28 PM
It was mainly for DJ because he thinks this is the same as the sr commando.
DJ Radio says: Nov 19, 2009. 1:17 PM
Stoopid slap to logic boy.  I know exactly how it works, when you say I don't.  Concept wise, it's not different from the SR commando.  Mine has a double ratchet system so it can hold more bands.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 19, 2009. 3:48 PM
Stoopid slap to dj. It has a completely different concept. My concept for this was: By using a ratchet system BEHIND the back of the pin (not under it like on your sr whatever) You can increase the power of the gun without making the ram impossible to draw back.

Tell me DJ have you ever managed to get 5 64's on you sr commando?
if so how easy was the pin to pull back.
DJ Radio says: Nov 20, 2009. 5:28 PM
Stoopid slap invalid.  Just because the rubberbands are seperate from the pin does not make this a different concept.  If you disagree, you are automatically wrong because I said so.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 20, 2009. 7:01 PM
How many guns have the bands seperate from the firing pin before firing, not one. You know I think you are just jelous because I have done something truly innovative, unlike your last two guns. If you don't like it tough cookies to you, it works and it works well. Also I am not wrong because some 13 year old kid said I am, it is a breech of human rights to force your opinion onto someone else. Also I will not dignify any pathetic reesponse like "whatever" or "because I rule" with a reply. You obviously do not understand this concept at all.
DJ Radio says: Nov 20, 2009. 7:09 PM
I know how it works, it has been done before, yours is just changed up a bit.  Oh don't you dare go criticize my last 2 guns, The pistol had an innovative trigger, and the OMEN had that new ammo holder.  Eat that.

When you tick me off that bad, I don't care about your human rights.  Use the spellcheck by the way.  
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 20, 2009. 7:15 PM
I am not criticizing you last two guns, they do have new features but they are not new concepts, oodammo pistols and single shots are quite common at the moment, hell I even had a light single shot but I got rid of it to build the Logic Bow. also People like you make me laugh.
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DJ Radio says: Nov 20, 2009. 7:19 PM
Ok.... Whatever, I'm just saying that I had some new ideas that I put on oodammo pistols and singleshots.  Nothing to do with the firing method.  You just said there was nothing innovative about them, which was general.

I always knew I had a comedic factor... ITS OVER 9-FRICKIN-THOUSAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 20, 2009. 7:25 PM
W/E and I did't mean you were funny, you just make me laugh.
DJ Radio says: Nov 20, 2009. 7:29 PM
Whatever.........
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 20, 2009. 7:31 PM
Like the vid?
travw says: Nov 17, 2009. 5:38 PM
I don't like that you can't just pull back the ram.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 17, 2009. 5:43 PM
Its a hybrid gun, the main thing that I do not like about pin guns is pulling back a pin loaded with 1000 bands, this solves that problem, you can load all the bands one at a time, easily slide back the pin, load a bullet and watch your friend yell in pain when you shoot him, oh you should also recognise the chair from the gop vid.
DJ Radio says: Nov 20, 2009. 5:32 PM
I think that pulling back 5 rubberbands is same as pulling back a pin.  On my SR Commando, you pulled back the pin by grabbing the rubberbands, then you hook them on the ratchet.  Mine was better since you pulled the pin and the bands back at the same time.  
travw says: Nov 17, 2009. 5:44 PM
LOLdustychair.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 17, 2009. 5:51 PM
this is the first gun of its kind, did you know that?
travw says: Nov 17, 2009. 5:51 PM
Itnot. No.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 17, 2009. 6:06 PM
prove it.
travw says: Nov 17, 2009. 11:00 PM
Ok, technically, the rail+ratchet mod hasn't been done, but both separate things have been done.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 17, 2009. 11:57 PM
Its a ratchet pin gun, as far as I know this has Never been done before
travw says: Nov 18, 2009. 3:38 PM
But things with the same concept, and better performance have.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 4:17 PM
this concept was to use a pin but increase power without making the pin impossible to draw back. Lt Licorice and other similar guns like the sexbow do increase power, but they are not true ram guns and if you use more bands the pullback becomes harder.
razzlekunai says: Nov 25, 2009. 8:17 AM
"Lt Licorice and other similar guns like the sexbow "
"but they are not true ram guns"
How are they not ram guns?
DJ Radio says: Nov 17, 2009. 8:17 PM
Search Lt. Licorice on Youtube.  It has the same concept, but it's mag fed unlike yours, and has no bow.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 17, 2009. 11:58 PM
read my reply to your other coment
travw says: Nov 18, 2009. 4:31 PM
BTW: you could make this better by having the ram right in front of the bullet lock. So the rubberbands have a lot of distance to accelerate.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 4:34 PM
what do you mean? anyways this is my second prototype, the first one (nicknamed skull n crossbow) didn't fire more than a meter.
travw says: Nov 18, 2009. 4:37 PM
I mean instead of having the rubberbands pushing the ram the whole way down the barrel, have the rubberbands impart all their energy to the ram at once. Make the ram smaller too, while you're at it.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 4:43 PM
that didn't work, the bands have insufficient mass to fire the ammo any decent distance if you use a small ram. this is why my first prototype sucked, it used a blue rod ram, anyways look at the clip I posted, all things shall become clear.
travw says: Nov 18, 2009. 6:00 PM
I UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 6:14 PM

WELL LOOK AT THE CLIP ANYWAY.

travw says: Nov 18, 2009. 6:27 PM
I DID.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 8:59 PM
ok then.
DJ Radio says: Nov 17, 2009. 8:17 PM
This isn't really different from the concept on LT. Licorice.  And I liked it better because it had a mag.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 17, 2009. 11:56 PM
wrong. lt lic has two rails, this has one, it uses a slide, this uses a pin, lt lic's trigger blocks the pin, this uses a ratchet system. this gun it designed to increase the power of a ram gun. Anyway I prefer single shot as they are completely reliable.
travw says: Nov 18, 2009. 4:29 PM
Then make Lt. Licorice a single shot.
And in case you didn't realize it, it's an Oodammo mag.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 4:37 PM

yes I know that. I am uploading the clip of the firing system now

DJ Radio says: Nov 18, 2009. 1:16 PM
So you basically admit this is a LT. Licorice downgrade.  2 rails>1.  That gun also uses a pin, but it's slid down the barrel, like yours.  LT Licorice's trigger is a sear system, it does not block the pin at all, rather holds it back like yours.  Lt. Licorice is extremely reliable as well.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 1:55 PM
No. 1 rail means half the friction, this is not like Lt licorice. It is an entirely new ratchet pin system. Also this uses a true pin that stays attatched to the barrel. there is also no system to hold back the loser bow's pin.
DJ Radio says: Nov 18, 2009. 1:58 PM
So this is no different from a regular ram gun, namely my SR commando, concept-wise.  You basically just made a sear system which has an already-done concept.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 2:00 PM
no. a sear trigger holds the ram, a ratchet system holds the bands. this is not like your sr commando.
DJ Radio says: Nov 18, 2009. 2:10 PM
The SR Commando was a new kind of sear trigger, a ratchet sear.  The SR commando held the pin back by holding the rubberbands back.  Take a good look at its mech sometime.  
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 2:18 PM
yes but the bands are connected to the firing pin, this system holds the bands back, they are released and then hit the pin to start accelerating it into the ammo.
razzlekunai says: Nov 18, 2009. 2:52 PM
How does that make it any better?
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 18, 2009. 4:14 PM
It increases power and ease of pullback
razzlekunai says: Nov 20, 2009. 4:57 PM
Sounds like not true. 8|
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 20, 2009. 6:13 PM
It iz twoo.
razzlekunai says: Nov 20, 2009. 11:10 PM
Liar.

Prove it.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 21, 2009. 1:27 PM
what guns do you currently have? a TR? try sticking 5 #64 bands on it. How easy is the pin to pull back? On the Logic Bow you can pull each band back one at a time before you pull back the pin. Also seeing as the ratchet is behind the pin the bands gain speed before the pin even starts moving.
This means you get increased power from the same amount of bands.

Happy?
razzlekunai says: Nov 21, 2009. 10:06 PM
I had a TR. Had 5 bands on it.
Easy to pull back.
I had a flipmag. Had 7 bands on it.
Easier to pull back than the TR.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 21, 2009. 11:57 PM
did you use 64's or POS bands and were you using a full pullback or a shorter one?
razzlekunai says: Nov 24, 2009. 7:36 PM
64s, little boi.
There's only one set pullback on both guns I mentioned, idunno what you mean by shorter pullback
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 24, 2009. 8:13 PM

W/E, I am not little, I'm like 5'9

travw says: Nov 23, 2009. 9:47 PM
No, he's telling the truth. I currently have 6 new, quality bands on my MeZak, and it gets like 80 ft. flat.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 23, 2009. 11:18 PM
um reply to the pony
razzlekunai says: Nov 24, 2009. 7:41 PM
Pony > penguin
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 24, 2009. 8:12 PM
My little pony > Penguin with Gattling gun, You'd be ripped to shreds.
razzlekunai says: Nov 25, 2009. 8:09 AM
"My little pony > Penguin with Gattling gun"
Aha, so you admitted it
travw says: Nov 25, 2009. 12:56 PM
LOL. I didn't notice that!
travw says: Nov 24, 2009. 8:17 PM
My little pony with MeZak > Penguin with GOP25, or GOP18, or GOP8.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 24, 2009. 8:25 PM
this is an avatar battle, not a knex war.
travw says: Nov 24, 2009. 8:26 PM
Well your avatar has a gun, I figured it was only fair to give his one.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 24, 2009. 8:39 PM
he said pony > penguin, I made the equation correct.
travw says: Nov 24, 2009. 7:43 PM
BURN.
Fred the Penguin (author) says: Nov 24, 2009. 8:12 PM

Nope.

travw says: Nov 24, 2009. 12:33 PM
Wut.
Are you asking me to answer the question you asked Razzlekunai?
In that case,
1. Already answered that. Quality bands.
2. It's a very long draw. Just go make a MeZak, it doesn't use many pieces or anything...
Raikou-san says: Nov 21, 2009. 10:24 AM
Build it.
TheDunkis says: Nov 18, 2009. 1:25 PM
You can use a repeater as a single shot too...
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