Need to identify 2 objects: one works "like" a lock, the other looks LIKE a door knocker....

Pictured are the two items: several pictures of the FIRST item are included since it needs them so show "what" it does and all it's nuances; the second item there is only one picture of it and a notation on the picture.

Can anyone identify them?   The "brass" looking first piece seems to work like some sort of lock with a very simple I beam shaped "key" to unlock it.   The black item "appears" to be a door knocker "except" it is WAY too light in weight (aluminum or something). 

Thank you for any replies....

OH and BTW,  can't we add "notes" to the pictures anymore?


on the anchor looking thing,  there is green in the crevasses, dark green and hard to indicator of  metal composition  (copper ?).

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A lock and a musical bell clapper.

Goodhart, The query on your second image; A shot in the dark, but, is it possibly a lid prop or hinge of some sort? You know, like you have under the hood of a vehicle to prop up the hood?........ it is quite small, according to your description, so a door knocker seems out of place in that size. IDK. just a guess.

loachridge2 years ago

So, I am coming into this WAY late.. but was looking for something else when I saw your trunk lock. Nice piece, goes back to mid 20th century, and you got all that.

The second piece...looks like an anchoring system part. The smaller hole would be wear a line, small rope, would be tied. You would use the "T" to pull that line to another point for anchoring, like a hook. The problem being that it is copper. So it would be used for anything bearing a lot of force.

Just a thought from a sailor engineer.

canucksgirl5 years ago
The first image is a Chinese Trunk Lock (see picture). If you go to google images with those words, you'll see a number of similar photos.

Although I couldn't find another exact image, I'm fairly certain that the darker object is cast iron (even being light weight) and its most likely a "bob style" door knocker (versus the ring style), or an old-fashioned door pull. Chances are it was a one-off design, so I would take it to an antiques dealer, to get a sense of its age and origin.

I hope that helps. :)
Goodhart (author)  canucksgirl5 years ago
The second piece is "so" light weight, I at first thought it was wood, But it is a painted metal....just quite feather weight :-) BTW, that "door knocker" appearing bit is small enough to nearly hide in the palm of my hand without folding it over. It is setting in a 9 inch paper plate back, with room to spare on both edges. Why the part the looks like the knocker part, would have a ringed (hole) end on it is perplexing if that is indeed a knocker.
A ring style knocker is definitely more common nowadays, but they did have a "bob style" years ago; which makes me think what you have is quite old.

Here's a few examples of other bob style knockers. I would definitely take yours to an antiques dealer to find out for sure. A lot of these things were made as one-off's so you might not find as easy of a match as with the Chinese Trunk Lock.
Goodhart (author)  canucksgirl5 years ago
The (smaller) hole, as it were, appears to have a purpose: i.e. it's there to hold something. That may just be my perception, but it bothers me that the entire piece is SO very lightweight; it couldn't, if made to hang something on, be made to hold any real weight. Other then the "larger hole" you can see in the picture, there is no other obvious way to attach it TO something (the small hole would serve to "turn the piece sideways, if used to attach it to a flat surface like a door). It is probably the picture that is giving a false impression of what it looks like: it has a "flat black" painted appearance to it. Where I have a note on the picture saying the "hole in the end" makes a "small loop"; that may be misleading too. The "hole" appears to be "squared off", as if to attach it to something or to attach (hang) something from it; in a flush manner; again, that may just be my perception.
I get what you're saying. Since both items were bought off ebay in a group of misc items, I wonder if this isn't another Chinese item of some kind. Maybe its just an ornamental object, like art, versus having a specific purpose. It's hard to say for sure. Do you have a China Town neighborhood where you live? Maybe its worth asking around if they've ever seen anything like that before (you can always say you got it with a Chinese Trunk Lock). They might be able to figure it out right away or give you some idea on what to search.
Goodhart (author)  canucksgirl5 years ago
The fellow travelled so it COULD from more bit of info.....I looked at it MUCH closer....the black has shades of green which gives me the idea it MAY have some copper in it.
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