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Need to identify 2 objects: one works "like" a lock, the other looks LIKE a door knocker....

Pictured are the two items: several pictures of the FIRST item are included since it needs them so show "what" it does and all it's nuances; the second item there is only one picture of it and a notation on the picture.

Can anyone identify them?   The "brass" looking first piece seems to work like some sort of lock with a very simple I beam shaped "key" to unlock it.   The black item "appears" to be a door knocker "except" it is WAY too light in weight (aluminum or something). 

Thank you for any replies....


OH and BTW,  can't we add "notes" to the pictures anymore?


NEW INFO:

on the anchor looking thing,  there is green in the crevasses, dark green and hard to see....an indicator of  metal composition  (copper ?).


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canucksgirl says: Feb 17, 2012. 5:20 PM
The first image is a Chinese Trunk Lock (see picture). If you go to google images with those words, you'll see a number of similar photos.

Although I couldn't find another exact image, I'm fairly certain that the darker object is cast iron (even being light weight) and its most likely a "bob style" door knocker (versus the ring style), or an old-fashioned door pull. Chances are it was a one-off design, so I would take it to an antiques dealer, to get a sense of its age and origin.

I hope that helps. :)
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Goodhart (author) in reply to canucksgirlFeb 17, 2012. 10:06 PM
The second piece is "so" light weight, I at first thought it was wood, But it is a painted metal....just quite feather weight :-) BTW, that "door knocker" appearing bit is small enough to nearly hide in the palm of my hand without folding it over. It is setting in a 9 inch paper plate back, with room to spare on both edges. Why the part the looks like the knocker part, would have a ringed (hole) end on it is perplexing if that is indeed a knocker.
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canucksgirl in reply to GoodhartFeb 17, 2012. 10:44 PM
A ring style knocker is definitely more common nowadays, but they did have a "bob style" years ago; which makes me think what you have is quite old.

Here's a few examples of other bob style knockers. I would definitely take yours to an antiques dealer to find out for sure. A lot of these things were made as one-off's so you might not find as easy of a match as with the Chinese Trunk Lock.
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Goodhart (author) in reply to canucksgirlFeb 18, 2012. 6:32 AM
The (smaller) hole, as it were, appears to have a purpose: i.e. it's there to hold something. That may just be my perception, but it bothers me that the entire piece is SO very lightweight; it couldn't, if made to hang something on, be made to hold any real weight. Other then the "larger hole" you can see in the picture, there is no other obvious way to attach it TO something (the small hole would serve to "turn the piece sideways, if used to attach it to a flat surface like a door). It is probably the picture that is giving a false impression of what it looks like: it has a "flat black" painted appearance to it. Where I have a note on the picture saying the "hole in the end" makes a "small loop"; that may be misleading too. The "hole" appears to be "squared off", as if to attach it to something or to attach (hang) something from it; in a flush manner; again, that may just be my perception.
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canucksgirl in reply to GoodhartFeb 18, 2012. 4:35 PM
I get what you're saying. Since both items were bought off ebay in a group of misc items, I wonder if this isn't another Chinese item of some kind. Maybe its just an ornamental object, like art, versus having a specific purpose. It's hard to say for sure. Do you have a China Town neighborhood where you live? Maybe its worth asking around if they've ever seen anything like that before (you can always say you got it with a Chinese Trunk Lock). They might be able to figure it out right away or give you some idea on what to search.
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Goodhart (author) in reply to canucksgirlFeb 18, 2012. 5:38 PM
The fellow travelled so it COULD from anywhere....one more bit of info.....I looked at it MUCH closer....the black has shades of green which gives me the idea it MAY have some copper in it.
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canucksgirl in reply to GoodhartFeb 18, 2012. 7:16 PM
I looked around some more, and saw some promising similarities to antique hinges & latches; whether for a door, a cupboard or even a trunk, I think that's the key in identifying this object. I'm not sure how it would have been attached (per your comments), but there are some ornate pieces that look like this. Maybe email the "American Pickers" show from the History Channel, and ask if they have some idea what it is. It couldn't hurt. The worst they'd do is ignore you or say they don't know, BUT, if they know what it is and they want it, they may offer you some $$$.
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Goodhart (author) in reply to canucksgirlFeb 18, 2012. 8:44 PM
I am starting to think it attaches at the smaller (not pictured) loop, and that it is a "pull" of some sort.
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canucksgirl in reply to GoodhartFeb 18, 2012. 9:39 PM
If there's another piece, it may be a fancy old latch for a trunk or box...

This might be an overly-obvious question, but did you email the seller and ask what this is? If they don't know, I'm sure they can at least tell you what part of the world it came from.
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Goodhart (author) in reply to canucksgirlFeb 19, 2012. 1:30 PM
My wife got it in her box lot, but I am not so sure she is THAT interested in knowing what it is....I will inquire though, just in case she wants to ask him.

Here is what the "end" with the small hole looks like >
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Kiteman says: Feb 18, 2012. 2:59 AM
The last item, maybe ancient Chinese fishing tackle?
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Goodhart (author) in reply to KitemanFeb 18, 2012. 6:42 AM
I am at a loss as to "how to search on Google" for something like this. So far, will all the different suggestion from everyone, I've still got pretty much "nothin" :-)
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Lithium Rain in reply to GoodhartFeb 18, 2012. 7:26 AM
Tried reverse image search?
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Goodhart (author) in reply to Lithium RainFeb 18, 2012. 8:01 AM
I tried using TinEye, and got:  0 Results

Searched over 2.0907 billion images.
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Lithium Rain in reply to GoodhartFeb 18, 2012. 9:57 AM
Tried it with google images?
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Goodhart (author) in reply to Lithium RainFeb 18, 2012. 5:21 PM
when I click on Images...it asks for a description, what am I missing ?
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Goodhart (author) in reply to Lithium RainFeb 18, 2012. 7:37 AM
Since I don't see that in Google's line up of "tasks that can be performed" (not even the fully extended list), I assume you mean a program used after downloading? One like TinEye?
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Lithium Rain in reply to GoodhartFeb 18, 2012. 9:58 AM
No, Google Images has the same functionality as TinEye (well, I'm sure people would debate all day as to which is better, of course). Go to Google Image Search and you can upload a photo as your search.
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Goodhart (author) in reply to Lithium RainFeb 18, 2012. 5:59 PM
Ok, I found it and tried it.....a cat? really? a bow tie, a nude sculpture from behind and a dresser drawer? What needs to happen is they need MORE images in their index (they don't search the entire WEB for these matches, btw)
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Lithium Rain in reply to GoodhartFeb 18, 2012. 7:24 PM
It's not as simple as "index more images," though. (For one thing, you may have noticed that awhile back they changed the way they link to images because they were getting into legal issues directly linking.) I agree that reverse image search is often hit and miss, but it's a neonate technology which has problems that are compounded by operating in an area where the copyrights are a huge pain. And on top of it all you threw a (apparently rare) object at it which it may simply not have any more pictures out there. :D
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Goodhart (author) in reply to Lithium RainFeb 18, 2012. 8:46 PM
Yes, but according to the folks at TinEye, when given more access to more images to index, they will have a greater number of "choices" to offer.
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canucksgirl in reply to Lithium RainFeb 18, 2012. 4:20 PM
I had tried both Tineye and Google, and although Google found some "visually similar images"... they weren't anything close to this item. (i.e. one image was a black 'bow tie'). ? o_0 ?
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Goodhart (author) in reply to canucksgirlFeb 18, 2012. 5:22 PM
LOL
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colorex says: Feb 17, 2012. 12:12 PM
http://urbanite-diary.blogspot.com/2009/02/shanghai-old-street.html

Second image, same locks.

Where did you get those?
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Goodhart (author) in reply to colorexFeb 17, 2012. 3:10 PM
the first 5 pictures are of the same thing, the last picture is the second item....
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colorex in reply to GoodhartFeb 17, 2012. 3:14 PM
I meant, the second picture on the site I linked to :)

http://urbanite-diary.blogspot.com/2009/02/shanghai-old-street.html
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Goodhart (author) in reply to colorexFeb 17, 2012. 3:16 PM
OH ok, yes, I found thank you !
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colorex in reply to GoodhartFeb 17, 2012. 3:18 PM
images.google for "chinese lock" and you'll find similar things.
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Goodhart (author) in reply to colorexFeb 18, 2012. 6:33 AM
Apparently, from what my wife says, the fellow she bought this box lot off of from eBay, travels quite a bit (small jacket patches from Italy, India, etc were included).
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colorex in reply to GoodhartFeb 18, 2012. 6:38 AM
Nice find!
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Goodhart (author) in reply to colorexFeb 17, 2012. 3:19 PM
Thanks, and my wife got them in an eBay lot package of misc items....
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caitlinsdad in reply to GoodhartFeb 17, 2012. 5:20 PM
Did she accidentally bid on this instead of the "water torture kit"?
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Goodhart (author) in reply to caitlinsdadFeb 17, 2012. 10:02 PM
She doesn't have THAT much patience LOL
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Kiteman says: Feb 17, 2012. 12:10 PM
The first item is a lock. The real question is what it locks. Possibly it keeps something like a mail-sack shut?

As for the "door knocker" - are there any holes in it, other than the large loop we can see to the right of the image?
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Goodhart (author) in reply to KitemanFeb 17, 2012. 3:16 PM
Thanks: & added a note to the picture discribing the hole
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Kiteman in reply to GoodhartFeb 17, 2012. 3:20 PM
So, now I'm thinking something to do with anchoring boats...
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Nostalgic Guy in reply to KitemanFeb 18, 2012. 6:10 AM
+1 on the second image.
My first thought was that the crossbar may be there to stop it pulling back through a port leaving whatever attaches to the other end outside.
Is there any chance of a picture from the side?
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canucksgirl in reply to KitemanFeb 17, 2012. 6:51 PM
It's a Chinese Trunk Lock. (I posted an image... they're identical).
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Goodhart (author) in reply to KitemanFeb 17, 2012. 3:26 PM
colorex mentions "old chinese locks" and when I image googled that I got a lot of stuff like it, lots of them fancy like this one:




 
 
 
  
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