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Need to identify 2 objects: one works "like" a lock, the other looks LIKE a door knocker....

Pictured are the two items: several pictures of the FIRST item are included since it needs them so show "what" it does and all it's nuances; the second item there is only one picture of it and a notation on the picture.

Can anyone identify them?   The "brass" looking first piece seems to work like some sort of lock with a very simple I beam shaped "key" to unlock it.   The black item "appears" to be a door knocker "except" it is WAY too light in weight (aluminum or something). 

Thank you for any replies....


OH and BTW,  can't we add "notes" to the pictures anymore?


NEW INFO:

on the anchor looking thing,  there is green in the crevasses, dark green and hard to see....an indicator of  metal composition  (copper ?).


canucksgirl2 years ago
The first image is a Chinese Trunk Lock (see picture). If you go to google images with those words, you'll see a number of similar photos.

Although I couldn't find another exact image, I'm fairly certain that the darker object is cast iron (even being light weight) and its most likely a "bob style" door knocker (versus the ring style), or an old-fashioned door pull. Chances are it was a one-off design, so I would take it to an antiques dealer, to get a sense of its age and origin.

I hope that helps. :)
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Goodhart (author)  canucksgirl2 years ago
The second piece is "so" light weight, I at first thought it was wood, But it is a painted metal....just quite feather weight :-) BTW, that "door knocker" appearing bit is small enough to nearly hide in the palm of my hand without folding it over. It is setting in a 9 inch paper plate back, with room to spare on both edges. Why the part the looks like the knocker part, would have a ringed (hole) end on it is perplexing if that is indeed a knocker.
A ring style knocker is definitely more common nowadays, but they did have a "bob style" years ago; which makes me think what you have is quite old.

Here's a few examples of other bob style knockers. I would definitely take yours to an antiques dealer to find out for sure. A lot of these things were made as one-off's so you might not find as easy of a match as with the Chinese Trunk Lock.
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Goodhart (author)  canucksgirl2 years ago
The (smaller) hole, as it were, appears to have a purpose: i.e. it's there to hold something. That may just be my perception, but it bothers me that the entire piece is SO very lightweight; it couldn't, if made to hang something on, be made to hold any real weight. Other then the "larger hole" you can see in the picture, there is no other obvious way to attach it TO something (the small hole would serve to "turn the piece sideways, if used to attach it to a flat surface like a door). It is probably the picture that is giving a false impression of what it looks like: it has a "flat black" painted appearance to it. Where I have a note on the picture saying the "hole in the end" makes a "small loop"; that may be misleading too. The "hole" appears to be "squared off", as if to attach it to something or to attach (hang) something from it; in a flush manner; again, that may just be my perception.
I get what you're saying. Since both items were bought off ebay in a group of misc items, I wonder if this isn't another Chinese item of some kind. Maybe its just an ornamental object, like art, versus having a specific purpose. It's hard to say for sure. Do you have a China Town neighborhood where you live? Maybe its worth asking around if they've ever seen anything like that before (you can always say you got it with a Chinese Trunk Lock). They might be able to figure it out right away or give you some idea on what to search.
Goodhart (author)  canucksgirl2 years ago
The fellow travelled so it COULD from anywhere....one more bit of info.....I looked at it MUCH closer....the black has shades of green which gives me the idea it MAY have some copper in it.
I looked around some more, and saw some promising similarities to antique hinges & latches; whether for a door, a cupboard or even a trunk, I think that's the key in identifying this object. I'm not sure how it would have been attached (per your comments), but there are some ornate pieces that look like this. Maybe email the "American Pickers" show from the History Channel, and ask if they have some idea what it is. It couldn't hurt. The worst they'd do is ignore you or say they don't know, BUT, if they know what it is and they want it, they may offer you some $$$.
Goodhart (author)  canucksgirl2 years ago
I am starting to think it attaches at the smaller (not pictured) loop, and that it is a "pull" of some sort.
If there's another piece, it may be a fancy old latch for a trunk or box...

This might be an overly-obvious question, but did you email the seller and ask what this is? If they don't know, I'm sure they can at least tell you what part of the world it came from.
Goodhart (author)  canucksgirl2 years ago
My wife got it in her box lot, but I am not so sure she is THAT interested in knowing what it is....I will inquire though, just in case she wants to ask him.

Here is what the "end" with the small hole looks like >
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Kiteman2 years ago
The last item, maybe ancient Chinese fishing tackle?
Goodhart (author)  Kiteman2 years ago
I am at a loss as to "how to search on Google" for something like this. So far, will all the different suggestion from everyone, I've still got pretty much "nothin" :-)
Tried reverse image search?
Goodhart (author)  Lithium Rain2 years ago
Since I don't see that in Google's line up of "tasks that can be performed" (not even the fully extended list), I assume you mean a program used after downloading? One like TinEye?
No, Google Images has the same functionality as TinEye (well, I'm sure people would debate all day as to which is better, of course). Go to Google Image Search and you can upload a photo as your search.
Goodhart (author)  Lithium Rain2 years ago
Ok, I found it and tried it.....a cat? really? a bow tie, a nude sculpture from behind and a dresser drawer? What needs to happen is they need MORE images in their index (they don't search the entire WEB for these matches, btw)
It's not as simple as "index more images," though. (For one thing, you may have noticed that awhile back they changed the way they link to images because they were getting into legal issues directly linking.) I agree that reverse image search is often hit and miss, but it's a neonate technology which has problems that are compounded by operating in an area where the copyrights are a huge pain. And on top of it all you threw a (apparently rare) object at it which it may simply not have any more pictures out there. :D
Goodhart (author)  Lithium Rain2 years ago
Yes, but according to the folks at TinEye, when given more access to more images to index, they will have a greater number of "choices" to offer.
I had tried both Tineye and Google, and although Google found some "visually similar images"... they weren't anything close to this item. (i.e. one image was a black 'bow tie'). ? o_0 ?
Goodhart (author)  canucksgirl2 years ago
LOL
Goodhart (author)  Lithium Rain2 years ago
I tried using TinEye, and got:  0 Results

Searched over 2.0907 billion images.
Tried it with google images?
Goodhart (author)  Lithium Rain2 years ago
when I click on Images...it asks for a description, what am I missing ?
colorex2 years ago
http://urbanite-diary.blogspot.com/2009/02/shanghai-old-street.html

Second image, same locks.

Where did you get those?
Goodhart (author)  colorex2 years ago
the first 5 pictures are of the same thing, the last picture is the second item....
I meant, the second picture on the site I linked to :)

http://urbanite-diary.blogspot.com/2009/02/shanghai-old-street.html
Goodhart (author)  colorex2 years ago
OH ok, yes, I found thank you !
images.google for "chinese lock" and you'll find similar things.
Goodhart (author)  colorex2 years ago
Apparently, from what my wife says, the fellow she bought this box lot off of from eBay, travels quite a bit (small jacket patches from Italy, India, etc were included).
Nice find!
Goodhart (author)  colorex2 years ago
Thanks, and my wife got them in an eBay lot package of misc items....
Did she accidentally bid on this instead of the "water torture kit"?
Goodhart (author)  caitlinsdad2 years ago
She doesn't have THAT much patience LOL
Kiteman2 years ago
The first item is a lock. The real question is what it locks. Possibly it keeps something like a mail-sack shut?

As for the "door knocker" - are there any holes in it, other than the large loop we can see to the right of the image?
Goodhart (author)  Kiteman2 years ago
Thanks: & added a note to the picture discribing the hole
So, now I'm thinking something to do with anchoring boats...
+1 on the second image.
My first thought was that the crossbar may be there to stop it pulling back through a port leaving whatever attaches to the other end outside.
Is there any chance of a picture from the side?
It's a Chinese Trunk Lock. (I posted an image... they're identical).
Goodhart (author)  Kiteman2 years ago
colorex mentions "old chinese locks" and when I image googled that I got a lot of stuff like it, lots of them fancy like this one:




 
 
 
  
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