New tabs.

The new tabs work, but they are counter-intuitive, and not as functional as I would expect.

I would propose that the "More" tab be renamed "Community", to give a better indicator of what you will find there.

Plus, I suggest that the "Explore" tab include an "All Recent" option, to allow people to see all the latest projects, without having to trawl all the categories to find out.

See also:

Frenzy's announcement.

Goodhart's thread.

Steveastrouk's thread.

Mpilchfamily's thread.

I am also starting to find it bleedin' annoying that a brief drift of the cursor too close to the top of the page means half my screen is covered by the drop-down menu.

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frenzy5 years ago
Hello everyone,

Thanks for the feedback! We are definitely listening to your suggestions. We look a lot at numbers when we push new features, so if this ends up not benefiting our users, we'll take it out. is a dynamic site that is always looking for new ways to improve user experience, this latest change is a part of that goal.

-Gregg Horton
QA Engineer
Kiteman (author)  frenzy5 years ago
Gregg, could you at least slow down the speed the drop-down menus react?
Try asking your users BEFORE you push things out, and you MIGHT save yourself a lot of criticism.

The more user friendly sites STILL put up a B-E-T-A site, where upcoming design changes are sandboxed, critiqued and tinkered with.

Try it.

Oh yeah, and fix the more broken bits of the user experience, like the thumbnails not working in FF, the editors glitching etc etc.

My suggestion for the mouseover on the tabs is not to add a click to use function but rather to add a small delay, probably between a tenth and a quarter of a second.

Allows time for a mouse to pass over on its way elsewhere without adding extra actions to functionality.

The right amount of time would be the key.

I agree on the "more" section, I couldn't find the forums either...
How do flying tabs rank for those with movement impairment issues, compared to fixed features I wonder ?
kelseymh5 years ago
The active pop-up is an extremely annoying disruption to use of the site. Until it is fixed so that they only come up after a mouse click, I am probably going to stop using Instructables.
I was going to stick my fingers in my ears and try to hold my breath...but you might have a better plan.
In my unsolicited opinion, it ought to grab some attention that probably the second most-loyal user of the site (after Kiteman :P ) is saying this.

But, of course, it won't, because management has, with its extremely "pure"-science-oriented bent, very unfortunately got it into their heads that pure statistical analysis after experimental changes is a good way to determine web design by "letting traffic determine the design." I think the mechanism here is supposed to operate in much the same fashion as anonymous, two-choice opinion polls that are such a good way to design a building or replicate the Mona Lisa.

Wait, you mean that's not how designs that are functional, aesthetic, or both are made? Ya don't say. Yet that is in effect how they are determing the site's appearance and functionality!

Clearly you can't rely on 12 users on the forums to drive your design - but they go way too far in the other direction. This history of consistently and (I daresay) aggressively ignoring substantive, thought-out, coherent feedback from actual, active users of the site in favor of seeing if traffic falls or rises with design changes is a methodology so flawed that I frankly can't understand how anyone would think it could demonstrate a causal link between traffic and site design changes - that if forum traffic goes up 12% in April, it must be because we moved the button for the forum - so we should keep the button in the new spot, current users who say it's harder to find be damned. The problem is obvious - maybe that's why traffic went up, or maybe it's because there was an issue with a contest and people went to the forums to complain. The variables aren't (and, I would argue, can't be) properly isolated. I would think they might have a course or something at MIT that mentions, somewhere along the line, that correlation does not equal causation.

But that's just me.
Clearly you can't rely on 12 users on the forums to drive your design - but they go way too far in the other direction.

Well, no you can't, but you should when the most active members of your site ARE forum users and contribute a lot of content etc etc, then the rules say you should listen, because without them, you lose a lot of what makes your site tick.
I think the issue here is that we assume they want the site that works best for hardcore users. They don't.

The thing they want is pure traffic. Site impressions. Pageviews. I think that substantive contributions are largely held irrelevant to the new business model (after all, you can just put up some recipe copypasta and it'll bring in the crowds just as well as original content). Sad thing is, they're probably right.
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