Smart parents monitor their children's internet activities, but they probably never thought they'd need to consider blocking Instructables due to overt sexual content.
Is a woman groping her chocolate covered breasts really considered kid-friendly by this community?
I was also concerned when I saw the instructable. I have to say that it was a very erotic picture but the author covered her breasts in a very suggestive manner of course. Although there were no explicit nudity it was very risquè.
Do you know the difference between art and pornography?
Our university has the same play every year. I understand that some of the play has been criticized for the negative portrayal of heterosexual love in favor of lesbianism.
"In general, instructables tows a good path..."? I might agree with that, but I really have no idea if there actually are clearly defined content parameters here.
There aren't unless they were implemented since I last ran up against the bounds of the family friendly site ethos - it's done by feel and judgment... Really a good way to do things in my eyes.
The main image says covering for quazi decent image. The one further down is a little gropey, however it's not any worse than perfume/lingerie/shampoo adverts. (IMO)
There's one other thing - this took dedication to the cause of chocolate, having been there, that's a hell of a lot of body paint to lick off...
On the decency line you see the store bought stuff in gift aisles a lot so I'd guess that really it cuts above the line of bad taste, with some extremely obvious winks and nudges.
So, my thought is this: It's a slippery slope..... ( No pun intended in reference to the chocolatey "slopes" in the aforementioned instructable.) I also don't consider comparisons to other sites that kids view relevant to this site. It's that kind of thinking that allows graphic and crude programming on primetime television that, just a few short years ago, would never have been considered appropriate for family viewing. And, unless I'm way out of touch anymore, I am fairly certain kids are still considered an integral part of the word "family".
I'm not sure what the guidelines are for Instructables in relation to allowing risqué content. I suppose I'm more surprised that some of the comments are still there. I know for a fact, if my children were still young, there is no way I would be okay letting them view the model or read the sexual implicit comments.
I think the body paint was a great idea. I just object to the presentation. I must say, if this instructable is a winner, I will be sorely disappointed in the decision to encourage more of the same.
This was't some perv posting smut. It was a well thought out 'able with good content and writing. It was signed, and the model was credited by name. The breasts, particularly the nipple and aureoles, were not visible, and she was alone in the frame. Where is the overt sexuality?
In my book, there was nothing even remotely wrong with the 'able; but some of the comments violate the be nice policy.
It is a tricky line to try to moderate values.. you find that instructable overly sexual, that is your opinion and that is valid for you. Others had issues with the "skinning a rabbit to make a hat" instructable, others may not like the multitude of Knex guns on the site or the "pagan" Holloween costumes or the costumes that promote violent video games or the instructables that may not be perfectly safe, etc, etc. You see where I am going I hope.
Not everyone on this site will ever agree with everything but I think they do a great job. It is a private site you have the choice to view it or not, you have the choice to subscribe to the newsletters or not. Make your opinion known as I am sure it does influence the moderators but based on the fact that that was an award winning instructable that many people voted for I do not think it should be censored.
Thanks for sharing your perspective, vanweb. You've made some valid points. It's ultimately up to the parents to decide what's appropriate for their children.
This thread is merely an open forum for discussion and concerns.
I feel a bit like the Loan Arranger here, but it looks kid friendly to me.
I don't think Ms Novak (the model, credited) was " groping her chocolate covered breasts " [emphasis added]
I've groped, and been groped, and that ain't it. Either that, or my 50 years or so of groping have been in error. I seem to be in the minority, but I'd like to apologize to the author, and particularly Ms. Novak, for some of the prurient minds here.
I appreciate that you've proffered your viewpoint, Bonz... but please don't feel obligated to apologize for any opinion except your own. It's arrogant... and it's annoying.
Thank you for giving me a chuckle, though. My concerns are based upon content I consider inappropriate for children. You're the first person in this thread to infer that the photos are "smut". Fascinating.
I agree with you Bajablue. I did see the instructable, and thought: Can we please keep this site free from this. I do agree that it's probably staying inside the regulations this site has (since it's not showing the skin), but I have no need for my kids to see this when they are old enough to be ibling them selves. I guess the main challenge with letting this kind of instrucables be posted, is that there is no form for parental filtering internally on the site, and I have no clue if it would be blocked by a filter on my own pc, since this site is far from related to this kind of material. What it comes down to is, what kind of attitude will the admin show from here on, and how easy it is to let go of the standards first set when you start "loosening" up.
Thanks for your concerns Baja, a lot of people are not brave enough to speak up about these kinds of thing.
I hear you, D for D. Parents have the right and responsibility to monitor their kid's internet activity. Your children are lucky to have you. Thank you for commenting.
lol... can't wait to see your latest video, but I'm getting the "Video currently unavailable" message. Maybe I should unlock the smut blocks on my computer? ;-D
But now that you mention it: When Instructables put this "project" in the Sunday Newsletter, it's pretty clear the "numbers" became a priority consideration. Sex sells. No doubt about that.
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Do you know the difference between art and pornography?
A government grant! :-)
Also where have my newsletters got to this year?
In general instructables tows a good path on the whole smut argument...
The main image says covering for quazi decent image. The one further down is a little gropey, however it's not any worse than perfume/lingerie/shampoo adverts. (IMO)
There's one other thing - this took dedication to the cause of chocolate, having been there, that's a hell of a lot of body paint to lick off...
On the decency line you see the store bought stuff in gift aisles a lot so I'd guess that really it cuts above the line of bad taste, with some extremely obvious winks and nudges.
I spent a while drawing clothes on things...
( No pun intended in reference to the chocolatey "slopes" in the aforementioned instructable.)
I also don't consider comparisons to other sites that kids view relevant to this site. It's that kind of thinking that allows graphic and crude programming on primetime television that, just a few short years ago, would never have been considered appropriate for family viewing. And, unless I'm way out of touch anymore, I am fairly certain kids are still considered an integral part of the word "family".
I'm not sure what the guidelines are for Instructables in relation to allowing risqué content. I suppose I'm more surprised that some of the comments are still there. I know for a fact, if my children were still young, there is no way I would be okay letting them view the model or read the sexual implicit comments.
I think the body paint was a great idea. I just object to the presentation. I must say, if this instructable is a winner, I will be sorely disappointed in the decision to encourage more of the same.
If objectionable comments remain, it means that nobody found them objectionable enough to use the "flag" button.
This was't some perv posting smut. It was a well thought out 'able with good content and writing.
It was signed, and the model was credited by name. The breasts, particularly the nipple and aureoles, were not visible, and she was alone in the frame. Where is the overt sexuality?
In my book, there was nothing even remotely wrong with the 'able; but some of the comments violate the be nice policy.
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Not everyone on this site will ever agree with everything but I think they do a great job. It is a private site you have the choice to view it or not, you have the choice to subscribe to the newsletters or not. Make your opinion known as I am sure it does influence the moderators but based on the fact that that was an award winning instructable that many people voted for I do not think it should be censored.
This thread is merely an open forum for discussion and concerns.
I don't think Ms Novak (the model, credited) was " groping her chocolate covered breasts " [emphasis added]
I've groped, and been groped, and that ain't it. Either that, or my 50 years or so of groping have been in error. I seem to be in the minority, but I'd like to apologize to the author, and particularly Ms. Novak, for some of the prurient minds here.
Thank you for giving me a chuckle, though. My concerns are based upon content I consider inappropriate for children. You're the first person in this thread to infer that the photos are "smut". Fascinating.
I guess the main challenge with letting this kind of instrucables be posted, is that there is no form for parental filtering internally on the site, and I have no clue if it would be blocked by a filter on my own pc, since this site is far from related to this kind of material.
What it comes down to is, what kind of attitude will the admin show from here on, and how easy it is to let go of the standards first set when you start "loosening" up.
Thanks for your concerns Baja, a lot of people are not brave enough to speak up about these kinds of thing.
She did have all relevant parts covered up, and was actually showing less than the posters in the windows of department stores with lingerie sections.
I have two boys, and I'm quite happy for them to use the site unsupervised.
I have also been recommending the site to pupils and parents for years, and never had a word of complaint.
What do you reckon the ratio is on YouTube, Facebook etc?
But now that you mention it: When Instructables put this "project" in the Sunday Newsletter, it's pretty clear the "numbers" became a priority consideration. Sex sells. No doubt about that.
Applying baking tips to the rest of the world clearly works.
Most notably 27min ago ;-)