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Some people from up north call a pizza a pie, Never heard that till a snowbird came south to say they called it. The cheesecake is is supposed to be a cake, but I call it a pie. Trying to think when I heard a cake called a pie. Then again a pizza is a cousin of a cake. Ever tried olive oil cake?
Proof:
Pi = 3.14159265.....
Cake = Lie
Lies are perfectly rational, but Pi is not.
Pi = 3.14159265.....
Cake = Lie
Lies are perfectly rational, but Pi is not.
Pi is a rational number, but numbers like the square root of 1 are not rational numbers.
Ok, now I'm intrigued. Exactly how is pi rational? I can't see any fraction that would give exactly pi, like this 22/7 business.
Well Pi is a rational number In the sense that it can be written down... It'll just never finish... Stupid decimals, there's probably a fraction that works, it'll be a circle with a whole number as a diameter and circumference... it may or may not exist...
Oops, you are correct. I withdraw my hasty comment. Pi is irrational and the square root of one is actually an imaginary number. 33 years away from math will do that to you LOL
I thought that an imaginary number was a complex number that, when squared, its value is a real number not greater than zero ?
Just as the equation x2 + 1 = 0 has no real solution so it is that the square root of 1 hasn't, right ? But then again, 33 years away from the complex math table may have me all wet again.
Just as the equation x2 + 1 = 0 has no real solution so it is that the square root of 1 hasn't, right ? But then again, 33 years away from the complex math table may have me all wet again.
Square root of negative one is imaginary ;p
Square root of 1 = 1.
I think, however, by technicality, the square root of one is complex, where b=0.
Square root of 1 = 1.
I think, however, by technicality, the square root of one is complex, where b=0.
Ok, I stand corrected once more. And now I do kind of remember that. ( square root of 2 is irrational, square root of one - 1; the square root of -1 is imaginary); not that I will remember that past today, but thanks for reminding me :-)
Apr 18, 2008. 2:27 AMMangetout
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Such absolute statements have never been more or less than a spur to quicken my actions. My life will henceforth be dedicated to the invention of an exceptional foodstuff - something that is quintessentially pie, while also, and simultaneously, being the very paradigm of cake. Wish me luck. I shall return.
Apr 20, 2008. 10:34 PMbobise
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So what if you baked a cake in a pie shell, then iced it... It would be a pie, but you would be eating cake. And you could still have ice cream on it.
Apr 23, 2008. 6:06 AMMangetout
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That's just crazy talk. Nobody really believes stuff like that.
Apr 17, 2008. 2:41 PMdamasta
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pi is a number cake is delicious pi exists the cake is a lie see the differences?
Eskimo pie is like ice cream cake. So are ice cream cakes like Fudgy the Whale considered real cakes?
I wouldn't think so, but the Dumplings one makes for them sometimes comes close :-)
Only if it is sweet, otherwise the whole exercise shall be deemed an act of falsification.
Just make sure it is not sweetbreads. Mad cow disease comes from those loafing around.
Hmmm...Maybe if you made it more as a cake, and not as a loaf... So far the penguin is winning for my birthday next week, but banana bread cake...sounds tasty...
Apr 13, 2008. 7:33 AMBran
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So, to make it more of a cake, I'd double the recipe and put it in a 9 by 13 casserole dish?
I agree, I think it needs to be iced, in some way, to qualify for cake.
It could go well with a caramel icing... or banana
Apr 12, 2008. 12:43 PMtomonto
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Am I missing something? Thats a lengthy discussion for something as random(again, am i missing something) as this...... I am confused... And also intrigued.....
Apr 12, 2008. 3:34 PMBran
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In the new Cake contest, "Pie is not cake" is one of the rules.
Apr 10, 2008. 12:06 PMSpinWard
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Pi is a really long number and Cake is a really cool band.
How does one define "pancakes" or "Johnny cakes"? Is there a minimum height requirement?
Is Boston Cream Pie cake? Additionally, If you made cupcakes, but then frosted them, all together like, would that be eligible?
I'd say yes to the first, and if it becomes a cake, probably.
well, there is "black and white cake", and "chessboard pie".....hmmm
A black and white is a cookie. Cookies are neither cake nor pie. :)
I don't consider cheesecake, which is virtually a no-flour no-leaven concoction, a cake either....so yes, a "no-one" believes you LOL
It is, cakes go hard when they're left out, cheesecake follows the rule. Biscuits go soft Cakes go hard Pies seem fine until the inside is opened, by this point it has usually fermented a bit (it has happened in a cup of coffee I left on my windowsill and then set something in the way, I finally notice and pour it out, under the crust the liquid had formed a strong alcoholic smell.) By this we can class many things, Jaffa cakes are usually described as biscuits in reality they are cakes. It's a complicated matter as the base of a cheesecake is actually biscuit however when left for a suitable length of time it will harden as the butter goes and then the biscuit will soften making the base seemingly unchanged except in taste (soft is also a taste sensation)
An English biscuit is tantamount to a cookie or cracker in the states LOL
Ooooh, I get it now, haha! I thought killerjacklope was from America though...
Cheesecake is a custard pie, which presumably will also get hard when left out.
No cheesecake is not a custard pie and doesn't technically involve custard. Cheesecake is left topless much of the time, at best you could call it a tart... Ok I couldn't help that but if's not cake it would be a tart however it's structure is more like a layered cake and it is consumed like a cake. Custard pies slowly get small and angry, they get to a slime stage with a thick film but never solidify.
Apr 10, 2008. 1:16 PMBig Bwana
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Some types of cheesecakes are actually a custard pie, some types of cheesecakes contain a crust, you'll notice most cakes don't contain a crust, some cheesecakes don't have a crust, hey I have a recipe which doesn't use flour (( great for people that have a gluten allergy )) So is it cake without flour ?? cake, no flour, pie or custard ?? (( when I was in the UK I seen them making a cheesecake with out baking it, honestly it was very tasty )) They all taste good and are a pain to make, So I hope some one puts out some great instructables with or with out cheese cake....
I think that maybe cheesecake has it's own category, it's more like cake but has other tendencies...
Apr 10, 2008. 2:29 PMBig Bwana
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Ya but they all taste good..... and after all it is called cheese CAKE, so I hope instrucables keeps it in the cake contest
Guinea Pigs are not from Guinea nor are they pigs, so if we had a contest with pets from New Guinea or pet pigs, the "guinea pig" would not be eligible, as far as I am concerned (even though I love Guinea Pigs).
I believe its a custard pie: It has egg yolks, cream cheese, sugar, and flavorings. Thus, all of its form comes from the protiens in egg & cream cheese, as there's no flours involved. Also, taking out the cream cheese and changing the flavorings, you'd get custard. Also, not all pies are topped!
I thought a tart was "loose woman"? :-) Oh yeah, one without a top normally....figures.
Apr 10, 2008. 7:26 PMxxxafterglow
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Yeah there are plenty of saucy sexy jokes in Killerjackelope's last post... e.g. "My favorite cheesecake girls are topless, tarty AND have cherries in all the right places." Some types of cheesecake, not all, resemble custard pies but personally I think the amount of cheese in a good cheesecake bumps it out of custardland (which is really just eggs, milk and sugar heated slowly then cooled). I'm w/ killerjackalope on this: the main point is, a pie refers to something that has a pre-made crust with some filling. A cake requires no crust. E.g. A cheesecake doesn't rely on a crust to hold its shape versus a lemon meringue pie, mince pie, shepherd's pie, shrimp pie, shrimp scampi, shrimp... wait, what? Here's hoping that Instructables will do a Pie Contest sometime too (say...around the summertime when all the good berries are in and it's perfect weather for a big scoop of vanilla ice cream melting all over a hot slice!!!)
Tell that to the local Amish LOL Their "wet bottomed" Shoo Fly Pie is definitely a pie, and needs no crust, top nor bottom.
Apr 12, 2008. 3:18 AMxxxafterglow
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Shoofly pie usually has a crust so it wouldn't make sense to call the crustless version a "cake". A cake as far as I'm concerned relies more on a leavening agent than a pie. Pie relies on a filling to give it body so even crustless pies are pretty much dense rounds of filling.
Right, my argument was that a pie is a pie, with crust or not. And lacking leaven to fluff it, the pie can't be considered a true "cake" even if it is misnomered as one ( i.e. Cheesecake)
Apr 14, 2008. 9:39 AMBig Bwana
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Well it all depends on how much wood has been in the bush....
Probably a few giant redwoods any ways... Hopefully no poison ivy...
So pumpkin pie is a tart!?
Says differently:
pie (dish baked in pastry-lined pan often with a pastry top)
Says differently:
pie (dish baked in pastry-lined pan often with a pastry top)
Bwana got here first, yeah pretty much, unless it's got that lattice over the top, then it's just pie again... I have no idea why we are arguing so much but it's fun...
Arguing is not fun! How dare you!
(hopes his subtle sarcasm was detected, and the joke is understood)
Anyway, just for fun, lets say that cheesecake is a custard tart. Your move.
(hopes his subtle sarcasm was detected, and the joke is understood)
Anyway, just for fun, lets say that cheesecake is a custard tart. Your move.
It's the custard bit I'm missing, never have I had or made a cheesecake with custard, I admit the existence or custard tarts but that is not one...
Apr 10, 2008. 3:10 PMBig Bwana
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A tart is a is a type of pie with an open top that is not covered with pastry. So technically it is a pie, but really it is a tart ..... and when served with whipped cream it is yummy ......
That means, not all tarts are tart :-) only the Lemon tarts would be tart then? rim shot
I was completely distraught when Ed (Fungus Amungus) told me that pie was inelligible for the cake contest. At first I demanded that he changed the name of the contest so that it would be inclusive of pie, but after some debate, I just had to come to terms with this fact because he needed to get back to work writing the contest announcement. Still.... I sure do like pie.
Normally a cake's combination of flour, sugar and egg(s) is also leavened, giving rise to a fluffy nature. Without the leavening, chocolate cake becomes fudge or brownies :-)
Apr 10, 2008. 7:14 PMDaNerd11
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3.14159265358979323! Thats all i can remember off the top of my head. Only 17 digits! awwwwww...
Apr 10, 2008. 1:24 PMreedz
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I personally believe cake is not cake...so there! *sticks tongue out*
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