To think, these people are real...!

After a careless click on google, I suddenly found myself looking at http://www.alien-ufos.com/

Oh, boy!

That whole place is so... mad. There are people arguing over the definition of the word "unidentified" (one side was saying you're only allowed to call something a UFO if it is an alien spaceship performing impossible manoeuvres. If it's only a secret government black-ops spaceship, you're not allowed to call it a UFO...)

The concept of "evidence" is utterly fruit-loops - one guy was convinced that alien activity was real because he had heard that somebody had written down that somebody else had overheard an astronaut in quarantine mention the fact that Apollo 11 had been "followed by aliens all the way to the Moon".

I'm going to bookmark that forum, then every time we get an HHO project posted, or an overunity device, I can go there and see what insane people really act like...

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KentsOkay8 years ago
Haha! They are all batty!! sounds like my kinda people
Methinks I'll create an account...
ll.139 years ago
I don't know why I'm replying to one.
We really have more evidence that aliens do exist than we have that they don't. Many of these people truly believe (and may have, for all i know) that they have seen alien spacecrafts, or have been abducted by aliens. Whether it was a dream they convinced themselves actually happened, they're insane, or if it did happen, I have no way of knowing for sure.
Kiteman (author)  Weissensteinburg9 years ago
...more evidence that aliens do exist than we have that they don't...

There's the rub - scientifically, one cannot prove a negative. One can only prove a positive.

There is, therefore, be no evidence at all that aliens do not exist. There is evidence "for". There is evidence that the "for" evidence means something different, but there is no evidence "against".

For example:

Believer: I saw a light in the sky, therefore aliens exist.
Scientist: Given your position, the direction of the light, and the exact time of day, the light you saw was actually Venus, therefore you are wrong about the light proving the existence of aliens.

The Scientist must not say Given your position, the direction of the light, and the exact time of day, the light you saw was actually Venus, therefore you aliens do not exist.



Personally, I can see no logical argument to say alien life does not exist. However, those aliens will be bound by the same physical laws that we are, and any visitation will be a big thing.

Alien life will encounter Earth one of four ways (the terminology is my own):

  • Passive-remote - they will see us, pick up our broadcast signals, or find our artefacts (Voyager spacecraft). We will never know if that happens.
  • Active-remote - having noticed us, they send us signals of their own. Potentially, a (slow) dialogue will ensue. (cf "A for Andromeda")
  • Teleoperation - one or more mechanical devices visits the planet to observe and relay data. It may or may not involve a landing.
  • Crewed visitation - kind of obvious. What is less obvious is that the visit could very easily be one-way, due to the extreme journey-times. OK, maybe Bill the Alien has a natural life expectancy of 10,000 years, but, if not, Bill and his friends will be coming in a generation ship, so that the aliens that arrive will be doubly-alien, having never seen their homeworld. They could easily try and stay. I would.
If the last option is chosen, then we would not (IMO) see the pattern of encounters claimed by Believers. They would either stay completely hidden, maybe visit in camouflage, or would make a blatant landing in full view of the whole planet. Probably, they would do both, revealing themselves after a period of observation.

Piece-meal drop-ins and abductions would be counter-productive, predisposing our population to perceiving aliens as a terrorist-style threat.

Anyway, that's my two penn'th.
As for abductions...If you think of them as a highly advanced species (and us as a relatively primitive one) than they would be exactly like our abductions of wild animals to study them. We observe them, tag them, and release them, with no consideration of their opinions for us.
Kiteman (author)  Weissensteinburg9 years ago
Oh, there's a Far Side cartoon, which I can't find via google right now...
I think I know which one you mean...with the collars?
Kiteman (author)  Weissensteinburg9 years ago
Yes, they're waking up in the garden, "none the wiser".
i've learned to accept that some people are just stupid... :P
Just a thought. We mock these people because thy profess an illogical belief in something patently false, but what things do we believe ourselves that are false, but we fail to recognize because of self deception?


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