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Update on International Entries in Instructables Contests

Currently, we can only accept entries from the US, UK, Australia, Belgium, Canada (excluding Quebec), China, Colombia, Denmark, Germany, India, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, and Switzerland in our contests and challenges. Here's why, and what we're doing to expand.

(EDIT: while we're working on expanding the country list, here's our stop-gap program to reward great projects from international authors.  More info here.)

UPDATE 7/25/2012:
Colombia, Denmark, Germany, India, New Zealand, Norway, and Switzerland are now eligible for all contests!  We've updated the rules to make this clear.  More countries coming as fast as we can. --Christy


Broadly, there are two types of contests: games of skill and games of chance. Most of our contests are games of skill because they are judged, but we have occasionally run games of chance (random winner in a contest, random commenter wins a prize, etc..). Both types are regulated, sometimes stringently, across the world.

As an independent entity, we may have been violating the contest and gaming laws in every country on the planet except the US. While ignorance of the law isn't an acceptable reason to violate it, I did not spend the time to understand and comply with every country's contest laws. Without locations across the world, the potential for enforcement of laws I didn't know about was low.

We are now part of an international company, and the potential for enforcement is real.

Complying with laws is not a drag! It's what sustainable businesses that expect to be around for a long time do!

If you are upset about this, before you complain here, please write or call your representative, member of parliament, or dictator and ask them to simplify contest law in your country. The easier to understand your country's contest laws, the faster we can open our contests to you, and comply with your country's laws. Remember, obeying the law is what good websites do!

Autodesk is not trying to destroy the Instructables community by reducing the number of entrants to our contests; in fact, they're very concerned about the issue. We are trying to make sure we obey all the laws of all the countries where we operate. We are simultaneously working to understand the laws of more countries so we can legally run contests in more areas.

The terms and conditions of our contests are now in full compliance with the requirements of the US and Canada, except Quebec. Doing so required many hours of me talking to lawyers, and very large costs.

I have sorted the countries we will work on next by where our traffic comes from, and where past winners and entrants have come from. For reference:

Top 10 Countries by traffic:
US - open
UK - open
Canada - open (minus Quebec)
Australia - open
India - open
Germany - open
Philippines
Brazil
Mexico
France

Top 10 Countries by winners and entrants:
US - open
Canada - open
UK - open
Australia - open
Netherlands - open
Germany - open
New Zealand - open
Argentina
Colombia - open
India - open

The rules for games of skill and games of chance are drastically different. I foresee a situation where there are countries in which we can run one type of contest, but not the other.

Since we don't collect your country of residence during registration, our method of determining who is eligible is based on where a winner wants us to ship a prize.

Obeying laws is not a drag, but this is a tricky situation. I'll concede that you might view this as a bait and switch: we should have fully understood the contest laws of any country where we wanted to encourage DIY through our contests before allowing entrants from those countries. Instead, we allowed everyone, and now have to pause until I can talk to more lawyers. For that I apologize. Fixing this is one of our top priorities.  Even yesterday, I discussed how to get the UK and Australia added to the approved list, and we'll work from there.

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Daniel Domingos says: Jan 16, 2013. 9:46 AM
Please help me out.
I do not understand it correctly.
I live in Brazil and I'm currently participating in a important contest.
If I win the contest, I can not get the prize?

Thanks,

Daniel Domingos
canida in reply to Daniel DomingosApr 4, 2013. 4:53 PM
We are working on Brazil! It's in the top 3 for next countries to add. I'm sorry I can't be more specific on timing, but don't want to make promises I can't keep.
Daniel Domingos in reply to canidaApr 7, 2013. 7:44 PM
I do not understand this because I have already won international competitions (including London) and received my prizes as normal.
The only rule that exists, is that the award must be submitted personally, declared as a product of no commercial value and the result of a contest.
Simply this.

http://www.elance.com/s/studiodomingos/portfolio/
http://pinterest.com/studiodomingos/
canida in reply to Daniel DomingosApr 8, 2013. 10:46 AM
There are some other complicating features about Brazil. We need to have a local partner, and must translate everything (including the legal docs/official rules) into Brazilian Portugese. It's entirely possible that other companies don't follow the rules 100%, but since our parent company does business in Brazil we are especially careful about following the laws exactly. In the meantime, I'm working with our lawyers, and hope to have good news for you soon.
Kiteman in reply to Daniel DomingosApr 8, 2013. 1:16 AM
Different kinds of contest a subject to different laws in different countries, and making one set of rules legal everywhere is a stupidly complicated job.

In some countries, Instructables contests are counted as gambling, in others as contests of skill. Different countries have different age restrictions, and there are also laws about hi-tech prizes being sent to certain countries (for a while, it was illegal to export laser cutters from the US).

Be glad you do not live in Quebec, because they demand that all contest organisers be based in Quebec, which rules out all international contests for the Quebecois, forever.
Kiteman in reply to Daniel DomingosJan 16, 2013. 11:36 AM
You need a friend or contact in an eligible country who can collaborate with you.
If you win, your collaborator can give their contact details, receive the prize, and pass it on to you.
Daniel Domingos in reply to KitemanJan 16, 2013. 12:38 PM
I have another question.
If I win a contest today and if for example in 2 months my country becomes eligible, I would receive my prize?

Thanks,

Daniel Domingos
Kiteman in reply to Daniel DomingosJan 16, 2013. 12:55 PM
I don't think so.

But, if your country becomes eligible during a contest, you are fine.
Daniel Domingos in reply to KitemanJan 16, 2013. 1:36 PM
Thank you for your clarification.
But I regret not being able to compete in full.
Kiteman in reply to Daniel DomingosJan 16, 2013. 1:52 PM
Maybe you couldemail this page to your politicians, get them to work on the law?
Daniel Domingos in reply to KitemanJan 16, 2013. 3:28 PM
I understand.
And I confess that I like of this type of proactivity (claim about my rights). However the policy in Brazil is very large and I need to know what is the law specifically for know which politician I should complain.

Thanks,
Daniel Domingos in reply to KitemanJan 16, 2013. 12:32 PM
Hello, Kiteman!
The problem is I do not know any person in another country.
Sincerely I'm a little sad because I would like to engage in search of these wonderful prizes.

Thank you for your attention.

Daniel Domingos
Kiteman in reply to Daniel DomingosJan 16, 2013. 12:58 PM
What I would do is to write my project, and at the same time start a forum topic to look for a collaborator to make your entry eligible.
yaly says: Sep 12, 2012. 8:18 AM
Can you add Egypt please? and my father has a mailbox in the US can my prize if I win be sent there?
canida in reply to yalyApr 4, 2013. 4:55 PM
Yes, we can ship to winners with US addresses.
DriX says: Sep 17, 2012. 6:16 PM
I noticed that Argentina is the only country in the "Top 10 Countries by winners" list that hasn't yet been confirmed to be elegible.
Is there any problem with Argentina? Can I help you in any form? I have some lawyers in the family that could be helpful.

Thanks.
canida in reply to DriXApr 4, 2013. 4:55 PM
I've got Argentina through most of the contest hoops, but there are a few more small things including translation of all the rules, etc to Spanish before we can open in Argentina. Soon! One of the next 3 countries on my list.
Kiteman in reply to DriXSep 18, 2012. 10:17 AM
If they have knowledge of your country's laws on contests, gaming and gambling, then I would email their details to service@instructables.com.
Muhaiminah Faiz says: Mar 20, 2013. 11:16 PM
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TobaTobias says: Jan 15, 2013. 2:45 PM
Nice! Hopefully Mexico will be eligible too. Great information, thanks ;)
La cacatua carmesi says: Jan 5, 2013. 12:13 PM
Thanks a lot for the info. Very useful.
Davin-Cheap says: Nov 21, 2012. 12:10 PM
I was shocked when I read "Canada (excluding Quebec)". So, I started reading our laws and all that really interesting stuff... I found out that the governement's authority in the matter is right by where I live so I'll stop by and ask and get back to you concerning this exclusion. I was offended at first and started to browse the forum to find a post concerning this. I did. Hope we can resolve this issue and let Quebec join the contests like the reste of Canada.
kelseymh in reply to Davin-CheapNov 21, 2012. 2:03 PM
Good luck! (Yes, seriously, not sarcastically). With a x5 smaller population, the federal and provincial governments seem to pay more attention to individual citizens than your U.S. counterparts. My read (as an outsider) is that Quebec's restrictions are either an outgrowth or a relic of their "Napoleonic code" history, as compared with British common law. Louisiana down here has some similar issues, although our stronger federal system limits the differences much more.
canucksgirl in reply to kelseymhNov 21, 2012. 2:43 PM
+1 Being a fellow Canuck, I can say your fighting a losing battle. I see contest all the time (from many sources) that exclude Quebec because of the difference in rules. (This isn't unique to Instructables).
Davin-Cheap in reply to canucksgirlNov 22, 2012. 6:12 AM
I read be4 writting that dcomment yesterday and there were some mentions about the prize's value being less then 2000$ and also concerning the fact that its a skill and "luck" contest, if it was only skill I think it wouldnt really matter. But I'm not a lawyer and there are always so many little precisions and exceptions, in any case, ITS A STUPID LAW AND THEY WILL HEAR ABOUT IT!!! Don't they want us to have the opportunity to win stuff for 1, second, wouldnt it make Quebec look good (or not of course :P ) and 3rd : WAKE THE **** UP, its legal everywhere else in Canada and the US!!! Theres only 350million poeple around us that are fine with it. DUUUUUUUUUUUH!!!!! Ok I'm done :) felt good I'll get a US friend to send me my stuff if I have 2
misko13 says: Nov 8, 2012. 2:32 PM
Hi there!

I already won 2 contests (Hands on learning & Back to school). I live in Spain, which is a country that's not in any Instructable shipping list. To get the prizes I had to ask two contacts from China and the Netherlands to do me the favor of providing an address to send the prize.

I want to cause them no inconveniences, so I was wondering if the Instructables staff is working in making shipments to Spain be possible for future contests and if I could provide any help in the process.

Thanks  ;)
msaleiro says: Oct 8, 2012. 6:11 AM
Any info on when will Portugal be eligible? :)
Misac-kun says: Sep 10, 2012. 8:00 AM
i'm looking for the Federal rules for contest on brazil. probably it will hit on other various laws and burocracy. Damn Brazilian confusing laws!
jethro_taipei says: Aug 1, 2012. 11:41 PM
Hello! I'm from Taiwan. Can I join the contest? Thanks :) ~
canucksgirl in reply to jethro_taipeiAug 4, 2012. 1:04 PM
Technically, you can enter any contest, BUT, if you win, you have to be able to provide an address in one of the eligible countries.

Instructables is working hard in getting more countries eligible for contests, but it takes time as every country has a different set of rules that the lawyers must work out.
bajablue in reply to canucksgirlAug 8, 2012. 10:58 PM
This is great pat answer.

Polite, succinct and helpful. :-)
Lindsley says: Jul 29, 2012. 3:29 PM
What about Brazil? It is number 8 in the top ten list!
canida in reply to LindsleyAug 7, 2012. 1:05 PM
We're working on Brazil, but there are some complex contest rules we've got to follow. Hopefully soon!
canucksgirl in reply to LindsleyAug 4, 2012. 1:04 PM
Technically, you can enter any contest, BUT, if you win, you have to be able to provide an address in one of the eligible countries.

Instructables is working hard in getting more countries eligible for contests, but it takes time as every country has a different set of rules that the lawyers must work out.
Muhaiminah Faiz in reply to canucksgirlApr 4, 2013. 9:15 AM
Very glad to know that :)
ASCAS says: Aug 4, 2012. 5:55 AM
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Kiteman in reply to ASCASAug 4, 2012. 11:16 AM
I can say with authority that it's the anally-retentive-lawyer-speak that's slowing things down, not the will of HQ staff.

kelseymh says: Jul 25, 2012. 9:43 PM
I'm guessing that while you've prioritized countries based on traffic and past contest participation, the order in which AutoDesk's shysters experienced legal team are adding countries is based on level of difficulty.

Just out of curiosity, what is it about New Zealand's contest laws which make it more difficult?
Kiteman in reply to kelseymhJul 26, 2012. 1:07 AM
I was about to suggest that it's a traffic issue - there are less than 4.5 million people in the whole country, after all - but then I checked Quantcast, and NZ is ninth on the list of uniques.

It must be an activity issue - there may be a lot of readers from NZ, but how many are members, and how many of those are active members, posting projects and entering contests?
kelseymh in reply to KitemanJul 26, 2012. 7:19 AM
I asked the question because of the original forum topic above. Christy listed the top 10 traffic sites, followed by the top 10 contest entry sites. NZ is number seven on the contests list.
Kiteman in reply to kelseymhJul 26, 2012. 7:41 AM
Maybe it's something as simple as communications - lawyers (in my experience) often dislike emails, and it's a long way from San Francisco to Auckland by mail steamer...
amorarun says: Apr 27, 2012. 2:04 AM
Is India approved yet?
canida in reply to amorarunJul 25, 2012. 9:27 PM
We just added India today! So yes, please enter. :)
amorarun in reply to canidaJul 26, 2012. 2:43 AM
Thank you......
Hack42Moem says: Jul 26, 2012. 2:40 AM
YAY !!!
That's great news that so many countries have been added to those that are eligible to enter contests on here.
Welcome, Instructablers from Colombia, Denmark, Germany, India, Norway, and Switzerland! Have fun and good luck!
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BrittLiv says: May 14, 2012. 1:44 PM
It's been so long is there a problem with Germany?
canida in reply to BrittLivJul 25, 2012. 9:26 PM
We just added Germany today!
BrittLiv in reply to canidaJul 26, 2012. 1:34 AM
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I can't wait for my exams to be over!
lord_kian says: Apr 23, 2012. 8:31 PM
Someone know the status of Colombia?
M.C. Langer in reply to lord_kianJul 25, 2012. 9:31 PM
VIVA COLOMBIA!!!! :-)
Mr.Sanchez in reply to M.C. LangerJul 25, 2012. 9:43 PM
GRACIAS A TUS VALIOSOS APORTES ESTAMOS EN LA LISTA....!!!INSTRUCTABLES...I'M BACK....!!!!
Mr.Sanchez in reply to M.C. LangerJul 25, 2012. 9:37 PM
QUE VIVA CARAJO!!!!!!Ahora si a patear traseros se dijo....Muchisimas gracias!!!!
canida in reply to lord_kianJul 25, 2012. 9:27 PM
We just added Colombia today!
Michelangelclone says: Nov 15, 2011. 7:31 PM
"...Top 10 Countries by winners and entrants:
US
Canada
UK
Australia
Netherlands
Germany..."
Does this mean I can even join a challenge if I live in a country which isn't integrated yet?
Whats the different than living in a country which is already alowed?
MFG
canida in reply to MichelangelcloneJul 25, 2012. 9:33 PM
Germany is now eligible! We just added it today. :)
Kiteman in reply to MichelangelcloneNov 15, 2011. 12:24 PM
Since the lawyers are working on the job "now", it's OK to enter a contest you are not officially eligible for.

The site does not officially know where you live until you tell them, which means that, should you win a contest you are not eligible to enter, you can give them an address of a friend in an eligible country, and your friend can mail the prize onwards to you.

Or, maybe, your country becomes eligible between your entry and the deadline...
Mike73 in reply to KitemanJan 26, 2012. 2:49 AM
Thanks, too. What a pity though.
But at least, having the chance to have a friend forward any price seems ok.
Michelangelclone in reply to KitemanNov 16, 2011. 3:50 PM
Thanks :)
MFG
M.C. Langer says: May 16, 2012. 2:51 PM
Hi people! I have a question: now when the TPA with Colombia is fully in vigency, there is a chance for us to be included in the countries allowed for the contests?
canida in reply to M.C. LangerJul 25, 2012. 9:26 PM
Colombia is now on the approved list! Please start entering contests immediately. :D
M.C. Langer in reply to canidaJul 25, 2012. 9:30 PM
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!! :-) VIVA COLOMBIA!!!!! :-) INSTRUCTABLES IS THE BEST!!! And, well, before those great news, I enter the Green Tech Contest!

http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-a-3R-Reduce-Reuse-Recycle-Campaign-for-yo/
Event Horizon says: Mar 23, 2012. 1:39 AM
So Philippines is listed in the top 10 countries by traffic. Does this mean entries from the Philippines a legible?
Kiteman in reply to Event HorizonMar 23, 2012. 10:43 AM
India and Germany need sorting out first.
Bot1398 in reply to KitemanMar 25, 2012. 9:06 PM
Man India should get included soon I want to enter the arduino challenge
canida in reply to Bot1398Jul 25, 2012. 9:28 PM
We just added India today!
Event Horizon in reply to KitemanMar 23, 2012. 4:52 PM
I hope we get included soon :)
Pranavthegreat says: May 2, 2012. 10:27 PM
Can Indians also participate in contests
canida in reply to PranavthegreatJul 25, 2012. 9:26 PM
We just added India today! Go ahead and enter. :)
victorjung says: Jun 15, 2012. 1:03 AM
Add switzerland, we have really great ideas and skills here!
canida in reply to victorjungJul 25, 2012. 9:25 PM
We just added Switzerland! Please enter, and tell your friends!
marcellahella says: Jun 26, 2012. 6:55 AM
so I m italian but my husband is from san francisco and I often live there but I m not a legal resident, can I partecipate?
canida in reply to marcellahellaJul 25, 2012. 9:24 PM
The important part is where we send the prize! So if we can send it to your SF address, that's fine.
vanadium chrome says: Jul 10, 2012. 8:56 PM
It's a good news india is going to become one of the entries in instructable contests, but it would be really nice if all the countries in Asia would join. An other thing is that if you enter a country in renown postal service, such as in UAE, you can send the prizes to a wide range of countries.
Anyway the happy thing is that India is going to be able to participate.
canida in reply to vanadium chromeJul 25, 2012. 9:22 PM
India is now on the list! Please enter!
vishalapr says: Jul 15, 2012. 2:28 AM
Having india allowed in contests will be great :D I would be able to enter contests as well then :)
canida in reply to vishalaprJul 25, 2012. 9:22 PM
We just added India! Go ahead and enter!
lord_kian says: Jul 23, 2012. 2:04 PM
Some news about the viability of Colombia?
canida in reply to lord_kianJul 25, 2012. 9:21 PM
We just added Colombia today! Enter away. :)
michaelgohjs says: Jul 23, 2012. 9:05 AM
Thanks you guys are great, I hope you will add Malaysia in soon.. i was so happy to win one of the previous contest i hope i had more chances now..
thanks again
uttaradhi says: Jul 17, 2012. 3:26 AM
PLease help me out!!
Now am working a medium sized company in bangalore(INDIA) as a software developer. But my problem is i am not in a live project from last 6 months n gettin paid by that company..What i ve to do.? Do i complete 1 yr here for getting 1yr experience as a JAVA developer OR Quit this cmopany n try for other?
Kiteman in reply to uttaradhiJul 18, 2012. 11:16 AM
You ought to ask people who are more familiar with your particular situation and the context.

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tgferreira184 says: Jul 16, 2012. 1:41 PM
please add Portugal too, becouse portuguese people are simple and effective, such as their ideas
Kiteman in reply to tgferreira184Jul 16, 2012. 1:49 PM
I'm sure Portugal is on the list, but not as high as other countries, because not many Portuguese use the site as residents of other countries.

It is quite a lot of work to alter the contest regulations to be legal in as many countries as possible.
npnlamp says: Jul 12, 2012. 7:06 AM
Please add LITHUANIA, there are smart people with good ideas, too!!!
puzka says: Sep 8, 2011. 4:28 PM
Hi,
Hope the work to include international entries is going well. I thought I'd post a link here that discusses Australian competition requirements:

http://www.digitaldialogue.com.au/online-competition-permits-australia

So far as I can see, if an online competition involves skill rather than chance a permit is not required in any Australian state or territory. I realise that there may be other legal issues to look at other than just permits, but it's a start.
canida in reply to puzkaSep 30, 2011. 11:59 AM
Thanks! We've finished up the Australia rules mods, so post away. :)
canida in reply to upeklighting8888Jul 6, 2012. 8:48 AM
YES! You're in, post away.
Kiteman in reply to upeklighting8888Jul 6, 2012. 4:01 AM
Not yet.
Kiteman in reply to upeklighting8888Jul 8, 2012. 10:54 PM
Yes, Chinese residents can now win contests.
canida in reply to KitemanJul 6, 2012. 8:48 AM
Actually, China became eligible as of 4/18! Please pass along the word.
Kiteman in reply to canidaJul 8, 2012. 8:17 AM
Cool.
kelseymh in reply to canidaOct 1, 2011. 1:27 PM
Is an "Australian rules contest" anything like "Australian rules football"? And if so, why did it take so long? ;->
canida in reply to kelseymhOct 2, 2011. 8:37 AM
It's exactly the same thing!
Most of our time was spent running marketing surveys to determine whether "australian rules Instructables" could gain traction outside the colonies.
mkarvonen says: Apr 27, 2012. 11:13 PM
You should include Finland to your list. To here you can send everything exept Drugs, nicotine and alcohol(nicotine and alcohol only inside EU) and guns. And if it is a price won from some contest there is not tax in it because its not something bought from the internet. its a price.
Kiteman in reply to mkarvonenApr 28, 2012. 12:51 PM
It's not the postage, it's the participation.
mkarvonen in reply to KitemanApr 29, 2012. 4:57 AM
what is the problem then?
Kiteman in reply to mkarvonenApr 29, 2012. 7:48 AM
The problem is that the law on who can participate in contests, and how, is different in almost every country on the planet.
mkarvonen in reply to KitemanApr 29, 2012. 9:21 AM
ahaa. What if you know that you can participate in contest but your country is not on the list? i mean, there is nothing wrong in that.
Kiteman in reply to mkarvonenApr 29, 2012. 9:31 AM
You just can't win a prize...
steveastrouk in reply to KitemanApr 29, 2012. 11:32 AM
Actually, you CAN win the prize, you just can't get it shipped to your country of origin....
Kiteman in reply to steveastroukApr 29, 2012. 12:13 PM
(But you can get it shipped to a cooperative person in a "valid" country.)
lord_kian in reply to KitemanMay 23, 2012. 9:30 PM
can i shipped to a postal box and still valid?
Kiteman in reply to lord_kianMay 24, 2012. 2:11 AM
It has to be shipped to an actual person, who usually needs to sign for valuable prizes.
kelseymh in reply to lord_kianMay 23, 2012. 10:28 PM
Not in your country.
steveastrouk in reply to KitemanApr 29, 2012. 12:38 PM
+1
mkarvonen in reply to steveastroukApr 29, 2012. 8:16 PM
win
PietroDaFermo says: Apr 19, 2012. 5:20 AM
What about Italy?
canida in reply to PietroDaFermoApr 19, 2012. 12:36 PM
Italy actually has a very odd rule: you can't run a contest in Italy AND also allow outside countries to enter. So effectively, you're not allowed to run international contests in Italy.

This is a very clear and specific case where if you'd like to be able to enter a contest on Instructables, you're going to have to get your country to change its laws. Or, you can collaborate with a partner who lives in an eligible country!
masynmachien says: Aug 17, 2011. 10:05 AM
This is not happy news, but I understand the need for this decision.
I was thinking, 1. Why do governments make (complicated) laws on games and extend them to foreign organisations? 2. How can Instructables members and contest participants help?

1. Well, governments make (complicated) laws on games because they want to protect their citizens from organisations running games that are not honest and/or lead to gambling addictions. And of course because they want to raise taxes on them when people pay to participate. The reason this is extended to games of skill is because the line between both is sometimes (intentionally) thin. And of course they need to extend that legislation to foreign organisations offering games to their citizens, as with modern media this would be the obvious way around. It is just another example of the basic mechanism where well meaning people and organisations have to bring up more effort, because people meaning less well, gave rise to a need for regulations.
One important and as such not unreasonable regulation is often that the rules of the game should be published in the official language(s) of the participants country. Obviously that alone represents work for Instructables.
Obviously the country's regulation and legislation itself is also in the official language(s). Not making it easy either.
I guess that in many countries a special case applies when the participants do not have to pay to participate. On the other hand some complicated regulation might exist to determine no indirect or hidden payment mechanisms are involved.

2. I'm afraid that appealing to representatives to simplify legislation is not realistic, as actually there are lot more voices and media attention asking for more regulation, with the protection of the citizen in mind (at least in Europe). Of course, stricter rules do not mean more complex rules, even on the contrary, but the priority in this field is not set on simplification yet.
But we might be able to help in translating to and from our official language? And we might be able to check our local legislation an see in how far Instructables' typical game rules comply? Is that useful or does that need to be done by sworn translators and/or contracted lawyers anyway?
ewilhelm (author) in reply to masynmachienAug 17, 2011. 11:33 AM
Thanks for your offer to help! If I can figure out a way for you to help, I'll ask.

By the way, Belgium is 11th on the list of countries by winners, so you are not forgotten!
geo bruce in reply to ewilhelmSep 28, 2011. 12:24 PM
Would this say that I can enter any contest at the moment if i'm from Belgium?
canida in reply to geo bruceApr 18, 2012. 6:07 PM
Belgium is now officially eligible to enter! Good luck!
geo bruce in reply to canidaApr 19, 2012. 8:25 AM
Yeah!!
thnx
ElvenChild in reply to ewilhelmSep 3, 2011. 2:47 PM
Are middle eastern countries ( Saudi Arabia Bahrain and Jordan ) on the bottom of the list and if not what country is on the bottom of the list and where are the middle eastern countries?
canida in reply to ElvenChildOct 12, 2011. 7:21 PM
I don't know that we've had any winners from those 3 countries yet, but we still hope to have some in the future!
masynmachien in reply to ewilhelmAug 18, 2011. 2:00 PM
You're welcome, but more important thank YOU, four all your efforts.
canida in reply to masynmachienApr 18, 2012. 6:07 PM
Belgium is now officially eligible!
masynmachien in reply to canidaApr 18, 2012. 10:55 PM
Great!
ynze in reply to masynmachienAug 21, 2011. 12:31 PM
Masynmachine, thank YOU (and all other Instructable members) for posting such great projects. Great projects make Instructables such a great place to be.
M.C. Langer says: Apr 18, 2012. 6:48 PM
Please!!!!!! Don't forget Colombia!!!!!!!!! :-)

Thanks friends!!!! :-)
Michael Chen says: Apr 15, 2012. 10:48 AM
I currently reside on Panama, but I will be moving to study in a US college this fall. Is there a way for me to participate in a contest and if I win (a big IF); my prices held by instructables until I move? or should i just wait until I move before participating?
Kiteman in reply to Michael ChenApr 15, 2012. 10:53 AM
If you already have a contact address in the US, you can give it now, and pick your prize up when you get there.
marrogante says: Apr 9, 2012. 7:09 AM
Hello excuse me for barging in but I'm just curious, when will the Philippines be able to join such contests?
Hoping for a reply
Thanks. God bless!
sitzikbs says: Mar 18, 2012. 9:10 AM
hope you add Israel too :)
good luck.
CR34M3 says: Nov 15, 2011. 4:43 AM
I just want to add a shout for minority countries: South Africa!!!

While winning a contest is statistically slim, at least being allowed to try is a good start. :)
nodnodwinkwink says: Oct 30, 2011. 3:50 PM
Just a query about the UK.

If you're an Irish person, *normally* you'd prefer not to be lumped in with the UK because we've had our disagreements in the past.

But in the case of instructable competitions i personally wouldn't mind a whole lot.

So basically, are we or aren't we lumped in with the UK in this case?
Thanks.
Twinmum says: Sep 20, 2011. 4:36 AM
Are we any closer to having some other countries added to the eligible list?
canida in reply to TwinmumSep 22, 2011. 3:41 PM
Update! We finally got feedback from the UK/Australia lawyers yesterday afternoon, and are now working over the rules to incorporate their edits. Should be able to give ETA after tomorrow's lawyer meeting.
Kiteman in reply to canidaSep 23, 2011. 2:27 AM
*Does a little dance*

When it's sorted, you'll need to clarify the situation regarding contests that have already begun - specifically, if a Brit has already entered an already-running contest, will they be able to legitimately win a prize?

canida in reply to KitemanSep 30, 2011. 11:43 AM
Yes. ;)
Kiteman in reply to canidaOct 1, 2011. 1:24 PM
EEK!
canida in reply to KitemanOct 2, 2011. 9:01 AM
(time to get cracking!)
ynze in reply to canidaOct 3, 2011. 12:55 AM
Oooowwwwww, this rips me apart!!! I'm glad to hear other countries are eligible now, and at the same time it makes me jealous... I want to be able to take part as well. Please, please pleeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzz? I want to EEK! just like Kiteman does...
canida in reply to ynzeOct 3, 2011. 11:33 AM
We are working on it - Netherlands is on the list above.

But do notice it took two months to get UK and AUS approved. I hope we can move faster, but we have to consult outside lawyers in each country - this means I can't stop by their offices and hurry them up, so sometimes it's very slow. :( I want to be able to send more prizes - hopefully soon!
ynze in reply to canidaOct 15, 2011. 4:31 PM
Canida, I watch the announcements of FANTASTIC new contests go by and by. So I started counting: If it took you two months to include UK and AUS, it will be 2014 before NL will be included... if it ever will.

I'm sorry to say, but I feel left out by the way you're handling this issue. Big time.
ynze in reply to canidaOct 9, 2011. 11:54 PM
Yup, I noticed! I won't hold my breath...
canida in reply to ynzeApr 18, 2012. 6:05 PM
Good news, you're officially eligible!
ynze in reply to canidaApr 19, 2012. 4:19 AM
Owwwwwww, you deserve a big hug now! Someday I'll come over and bring it to you.

I'm going to change my avatar right now!

Big big smile from overseas!
Kiteman in reply to ynzeOct 9, 2011. 11:57 PM
You can still enter my contest!

Most recent projects are eligible.
ynze in reply to KitemanOct 10, 2011. 1:04 AM
:-D I hadn't noticed your guerilla-contest yet! Thanks, I will enter!
Twinmum in reply to canidaSep 22, 2011. 5:03 PM
Nice.. thanks for the update.
syribia says: Oct 13, 2011. 7:58 AM
If you need some help in looking for Mexico game rules and making translations, please let me know. I'll be happy to help!
Meanwhile I have question: I live in Mexico but I have a friend address in the USA where you can ship the prizes (in the case I win some), can I participate in the contests?
dexhand says: Oct 12, 2011. 8:03 PM
Hoping that someday, very soon, Indonesia will become eligible country. Hoping so much.
Kiteman in reply to dexhandOct 13, 2011. 4:33 AM
You have until Sunday to enter the International Go-Pro Contest.

Entry requirements are flexible, and there are year-long pro memberships up for grabs.

Click here to see the rules and enter.
hafsteinn says: Sep 30, 2011. 6:15 PM
wow... wonder where / if Iceland is on the list :-/

I have been super busy over the last few months with school and other things so I haven't been here in quite a while and I really can't believe this has happened...

Hope you guys will be able to fix this and return everything back to normal :D
canida in reply to hafsteinnOct 12, 2011. 6:15 PM
Iceland is on the list, but unfortunately not at the top - just a simple matter of numbers.

In the meantime, we can still send you things if you post awesome projects. Check out the info here.
M.C. Langer says: Oct 2, 2011. 3:07 PM
Hi! I'm from Colombia. I have a question: while the rest of countries are unlocked for the contests, we could participate if we have a related one who lives in US or Australia and could receive the prize for us?
ynze in reply to M.C. LangerOct 3, 2011. 12:44 AM
Yes, you can. That is, you could before the Autodesk takeover. I won a prize in the Monster-contest, in february '11. That was a US-only contest, I had the prize shipped to my niece, who lives in the US. Her kids have spent HOURS building monsters with the prize :-)
bajablue says: Oct 1, 2011. 8:29 AM
To the entire Staff at Instructables:

YOU'RE THE GREATEST!!!
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claudiorox says: Sep 30, 2011. 3:04 PM
When Italy?
M.C. Langer says: Aug 31, 2011. 7:18 PM
VIVA COLOMBIA!!!!! :-)

I love you guys!!! Instructables is the BEST!!!!!
canida in reply to M.C. LangerSep 6, 2011. 3:01 PM
Colombia has a remarkably large number of contest winners! Nice work. ;)
M.C. Langer in reply to canidaSep 8, 2011. 9:08 PM
Yes? How many? I thought we are only two colombian constest winners: Mr. Sanchez and me :-)
canida in reply to M.C. LangerSep 30, 2011. 11:45 AM
To clarify: Colombians win a large number of contests, meaning that the two of you do extremely well.
Mr.Sanchez in reply to M.C. LangerSep 13, 2011. 6:14 PM
Y seguiremos ganando.!!!!Arriba colombia!!!
canida in reply to Mr.SanchezJul 25, 2012. 9:29 PM
In case you missed it, we just added Colombia. :)
M.C. Langer in reply to canidaJul 25, 2012. 9:32 PM
Thanks!!! :-)
Twinmum says: Sep 28, 2011. 4:11 PM
Yay, I see the UK and Australia are now added in the latest contests (photo edit and Hack it)
That news adds a question for me though, does that mean we can now enter the existing contests or will we only be able to enter new contests as they are added?
Great news though guys, thank you
canida in reply to TwinmumSep 30, 2011. 11:43 AM
Yes, it just took us a while to get the updates through because we were also launching Halloween. Go to it!
ewilhelm (author) says: Aug 18, 2011. 11:38 AM
http://www.animationmagazine.net/vfx/chinese-artist-wins-autodesk-rendering-revolution-contest/

With winners from China, Germany, and Italy, clearly Autodesk has some "boiler plate" contest terms and conditions. I'm going to go yell at lawyers right now.
ewilhelm (author) in reply to ewilhelmAug 27, 2011. 4:03 PM
Autodesk paid an international contest agency a "boatload of money" to run this 3DS Max contest in a way that wouldn't run afoul of any country-specific restrictions. The work unfortunately does not appear to be directly applicable to other contests. The legal team is very concerned with opening up eligibility in the wrong way, because doing so exposes the company to monetary sanctions and in some cases even criminal liability. In this context, I heard an anecdote about an advertising campaign run by another company that ran afoul of India's obscenity laws; when an executive of the company landed in India, he was held in prison for a week while a settlement was reached. This is an example parade-of-horribles that has lawyers all worked up over the way we previously ran contests, even if not directly applicable.

The good news is that I have the attention of the top brass and they understand and value the reasons I want to open up eligibility. Further, Autodesk marketing wants to do more international contests themselves, so there are many parties interested in finding a solution.
cammers in reply to ewilhelmAug 18, 2011. 3:41 PM
Now that's progress!
I'm certain there is no need to reinvent the wheel here.

Don't forget that the lawyers are working for Instructables. Not the other way round. If they aren't doing the job properly give them the old heave-ho and find someone who is solution driven.

Here's another world famous and highly regarded group that runs international competitions to make use of international talent.
http://www.kaggle.com/

There must be hundreds of others.

Good luck.
canida in reply to cammersSep 30, 2011. 12:00 PM
Australia is now officially on the contest list!
Good luck. ;)
Kiteman in reply to ewilhelmAug 18, 2011. 3:25 PM
My father has a lot of dealings with corporate-type lawyers.

He finds that the most efficient way to get his point across is to shout at them and threaten gross physical violence.

"What do you have if a room full of lawyers are buried up to their necks in sand?"

(Not enough sand)
splazem in reply to KitemanAug 18, 2011. 8:00 PM
I told this one to my dad (an ex lawyer), and he gave the answer before I could. At least they (well, some of them) have a sense of humor (note the correct spelling on humor).
kelseymh in reply to ewilhelmAug 18, 2011. 11:55 AM
Yay! Go sic Robot on them! Robot does have an override switch so that lawyers are exempted from the Three Laws, right?
ynze says: Aug 24, 2011. 3:59 PM
Eric, it's been a week since your last comment on this lovely subject. Do you have any news yet? Or should I start another drawing ;-)

Y.
canida in reply to ynzeAug 25, 2011. 5:26 PM
I am knocking myself out to get this done. I spent 2.5 hours in meetings with lawyers today, and should have updates on UK and Australia beginning of next week.

Good news for you: Netherlands is now 8th in traffic, so moving up the priority list.
ynze in reply to canidaAug 26, 2011. 5:20 AM
Good to hear! Thanks for replying. Stand strong in meeting the lawyers!

Y.
Kiteman in reply to canidaAug 26, 2011. 1:07 AM
Excellent.
Twinmum in reply to canidaAug 25, 2011. 5:47 PM
yay, good news for us Aussies and Brits
canida in reply to TwinmumAug 31, 2011. 4:12 PM
Update on our stopgap solution: http://www.instructables.com/community/Good-news-for-International-Authors/
caitlinsdad in reply to ynzeAug 24, 2011. 5:28 PM
Please do.

80$man in reply to caitlinsdadOct 12, 2011. 2:21 PM
Epic meta-spoof-video! Next Level!
bajablue in reply to caitlinsdadAug 25, 2011. 3:09 PM
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jochemspek says: Aug 23, 2011. 4:05 AM

"Remember, obeying the law is what good websites do!"

oemf, sorry ? with all due respect, that's what knights of morality in shiny capitalistic armor do.

-this comment probably doesn't comply with the "be nice policy" but it should, because I'm not being nasty, it's how I and many people feel about this.
ynze says: Aug 23, 2011. 3:48 PM
Thanks to Fungus Amungus, I started a "30 day project". I make a drawing every day, for 30 days. Today's drawing was easy :-P
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Kiteman in reply to ynzeAug 23, 2011. 3:56 PM
Zing!
splazem in reply to KitemanAug 23, 2011. 6:41 PM
Ohhhhhh...
ynze in reply to splazemAug 24, 2011. 3:48 PM
Let's go off-topic: Did you start on your 30-days-cartoon-challenge already?
Will2MakesStuff says: Aug 23, 2011. 12:47 PM
Just wanted to say thanks for explaining and maybe it would help to post a link to this explanation on the affected competitions where it say which countries are eligible, thankfully lots of people are adding it to the comments but otherwise its easy to miss

Will
Kiteman says: Aug 22, 2011. 1:25 AM
Any news yet on a timeline?

bajablue says: Aug 21, 2011. 4:42 PM
Two words:

THANK YOU.
PKM says: Aug 17, 2011. 4:56 AM

"Since we don't collect your country of residence during registration, our method of determining who is eligible is based on where a winner wants us to ship a prize."


That sounds like an important point to me. As a person who lives in a country where we spell it "colour", can I have prizes shipped to my friends in the US and therefore enter contests?  I'd imagine the spirit of the site very much frowns upon the alternative, having sock-puppet accounts registered to a US resident who publish the work of others.

It sounds like a loophole that wouldn't stand up to a lot of scrutiny, legally speaking, but then I'm no more familiar with this area of international law than anyone else who isn't a lawyer.
masynmachien in reply to PKMAug 17, 2011. 10:27 AM
It is not that far fetched. When someone visits the States and participates in a game or contest, everything is ok, is it not?
ynze in reply to masynmachienAug 19, 2011. 10:16 AM
Can we fix this problem with the community? What about this:

- We'll search for US / Canadian (sans Quebec) citizens, who are willing to ship the prize(s) to the winner(s) who live abroad.
If a prize is won by a "foreign" Ibler, the prize is sent to one of the people mentioned above.
- To cover the expenses of shipping, we make a fund. All "foreign" participants to a contest chip in some money to a Paypal-account. The money collected can be used for shipping costs and / or customs fees.

We bypass all laws, rules and lawyers this way, don't we? Please let me know what you think.

masynmachien in reply to ynzeAug 20, 2011. 1:52 AM
We should be carefull with any systematic or larger scale setup. As the whole problem originates from authorities that want to extend their protection of citizens against uncontrolled games to foreign games, there is difference betwen the occasional, individual escaping the rules versus any organised setup.
ynze in reply to masynmachienAug 20, 2011. 3:19 AM
Instructables never got in trouble sending prizes to different countries. Why should we? Besides, what is shipped by us isn't a "prize" anymore, but can be send as a gift.
Lithium Rain in reply to ynzeAug 20, 2011. 10:41 PM
"We won't get caught" was certainly the former operating policy of Instructables (according to this post), but it was still not legal.

If person A from overseas legally wins some item, and it is shipped to person B to then ship to person A, B is *not* giving A a gift.
ynze in reply to Lithium RainAug 21, 2011. 6:33 AM
I think you're right that it will still be a prize if B ships the item to A.

It's probably extremely hard to really get around the law. By shipping the item to person B, Instructables will be off the hook, I'm sure. They shipped the prize to a person within the approved countries. What happens after that with the prize, is not of their concern, I guess.

I'm willing to take the chances of getting caught :)
Kiteman in reply to ynzeAug 21, 2011. 3:03 PM
There are, definitely, some US members who would collaborate in such an enterprise, but please remember that, if you get caught, the worst that can happen to you is, well, nothing, but the US citizen could be liable to prosecution.

Speaking as a member in this for the long-term, I'd rather wait until the lawyers get things sorted.

I would also, though, prefer not to wait very long. I am firmly of the opinion that id Autodesk's lawyers are in any way competent to deal with this situation, they should have enough knowledge of international contest laws, and enough previous versions of the appropriate paperwork, to have fixed this already.

caitlinsdad in reply to KitemanAug 21, 2011. 3:34 PM
Racketeering and conspiracy are federal level crimes.

But look at this, re: that Autodesk sponsored contest below has pretty stringent rule because it was to promote their own product and rule #13 states: 

13. The Contest is open to any individual, except the following who are not eligible to participate in the Contest: (i) individuals who are residents of: (1) the following states of the United States of America: Florida, New York, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island; or (2) the Province of Quebec, Canada; (iii) individuals who are residents of a country, state, province or jurisdiction that (1) prohibits any aspect of the Contest or requires localized translation; (2) prohibits unregistered contests; or (3) requires Sponsor to post a bond. An Entrant may be required to submit proof of eligibility.

It may be the shoe will be on the other foot when the smoke clears.  Maybe there is something against NYer's.   I will concede that Florida does have all of our retirees, don't know how Rhode Island got involved and Puerto Rico and Quebec just can't get a break.
ynze says: Aug 18, 2011. 6:28 PM
So, in this case: Selling Instructables to Autodesk was not in the interest of the Instructables community, aka as the client...

I really hope this can be fixed soon. Given the fact that Autodesk issues international contests themselves, I do not understand the problem:
- Autodesk tells Instructables to stop doing international contests
- Autodesk issues international contests to celebrate AutoCAD's anniversary

So: Instructables can issue international contests as well. Period. It's really as simple as that. In big corporation peptalk: Just do it.

If that makes Autodesk's lawyers mad (which can be expected, since you're violating laws with the current terms and conditions), let the lawyers fix the problem.

I get the feeling from your post that you think you are the one responsible to fix this problem, but you're not. Autodesk Legal Office should fix it. It's their problem, not yours. They are not happy with your contest terms. To fix that, _they_ should come up with other terms and conditions, instead of telling you to stop running international contests.
Lithium Rain in reply to ynzeAug 20, 2011. 10:45 PM
Instructables is not in a position to dictate things. Autodesk has aquired Instructables; all former Instructables employees are now Autodesk employees.

Autodesk is in charge. What Autodesk says, goes.
ynze in reply to Lithium RainAug 21, 2011. 5:44 AM
By saying "just do it" I don't mean to dictate things. I mean to be deliberately disobedient. I completely understand that Autodesk is in charge, but every good employer withstands his boss now and then, if there's a good reason for it. And in this case, there is!

Since Autodesk has run international competitions before. Everyone knows beforehand that this "contest-thing" is not a real issue. The solution is already there, and everybody knows that. It just has to be found by Autodesk's lawyers.

So what happens here is powerplay. Autodesk is showing the Instructables team who is in charge. If Instructables wants to keep their identity, and wants to be able to take their own decisions, they must play the game and show Autodesk what they stand for.

I think it is _really_ important that Eric et al show their teeth to the Autodesk management here (Eric, are you reading this?). If they obey without any resistance, they will also create a precedent for future "differences in policy" that may occur. And will occur. Because the differences between the way Autodesk and Instructables run their businesses, is huge. And that difference is the most difficult bump to be taken, to make the merge successful for all parties.
Lithium Rain in reply to ynzeAug 21, 2011. 7:21 AM
>Everyone knows beforehand that this "contest-thing" is not a real issue.

Pray tell, what motive does Autodesk have for inexplicably hacking off the community the instant they acquire it? It doesn't make any sense that Autodesk is just screwing around with their employees/this community to assert power. They have absolutely nothing to gain by doing so, and tangible things to lose (if nothing else, the attorney bill!). I do not think it is accurate to say that "everyone knows" anything about this situation.

> I mean to be deliberately disobedient.

That's...not how it works. Not if you want to keep your job.

The time for standing up for principles is past. That time was during negotiations. That time was during the inking of the agreement. That time was before Autodesk became the legal owner of Instructables. Instructables then had a measure of power - or at least autonomy. No longer.

This cannot be a matter of power plays, for Instructables has no power anymore. Autodesk literally owns them. It can do whatever the hell it wants; Instructables is now mercy to its whims. It's like your 5 year old kid trying to make a "power play" with you - you might give in to their screaming just to make it stop, true, but it's not like little Susie or Bobby can actually force you to let them stay up all night. Not if you are determined they are going to bed. You're quite simply bigger and way more powerful. 

Barring some sort of clause guaranteeing his continued employment, Eric will eventually get fired if he just blatently ignores orders. It no longer makes sense to operate under the model of Eric-in-control or Eric-as-CEO, because he *isn't* anymore.
ynze in reply to Lithium RainAug 21, 2011. 11:50 AM
> Pray tell, what motive does Autodesk have for inexplicably hacking off the community the instant they acquire it?

This comes down to my point. They don't, from the viewpoint of the Instructables community. So there must be something else.

That "something else" is _not the legal issue_, I'm absolutely certain of that. Autodesk issued an international contest themselves! (see the post of Eric, of Aug. 18th). International contests are issued all over the world, all the time. Think of design contests, programming challenges, Lego NXT Leagues, etc, etc, etc. The legal stuff around that has been set up ages ago.

> Eric will eventually get fired if he just blatently ignores orders.

Eric will get fired if he doesn't do his job properly. He is Community Manager now. An important part of his job is to keep the Instructables community alive and kicking. Closing the contests for international entries is a very, very bad thing for 38% of Instructables' visitors. That is not what good community managers do. Besides that, over 64%(!) of Autodesk's revenues come from Europe and Asia!

Autodesk doesn't exactly have a reputation of being strong in keeping communities sound and happy (and that's a very mild way of putting it. If you want to know how a howling audience sounds, try the users of Autodesk's pro apps). That's probably (and hopefully) the reason why they asked Eric to keep the Instructables family alive. To do that, and to keep his job, he must stand up against this kind of behavior from Autodesk legal department.

What I mean to say is not that Eric should "blatently ingnore orders". He must stand up for the Autodesk community, and convince management of his decisions. Ignoring orders that are so clearly very foolish, is a wise thing to do, from all viewpoints. It's up to him to convince Autodesk on that part.
jochemspek says: Aug 21, 2011. 5:03 AM
By the way, what's next ? many products here rely on using other products, even advocating taking those apart and modifying them -which may be illegal !-. Is Instr- sorry, autodesk now going to look for a solid legal base for each and every post ? are posts going to be removed if they don't comply with the terms and conditions of the '3rd party' products ?

The more I think about it, the gloomier Instructable's future seems..


jochemspek says: Aug 21, 2011. 4:51 AM
So, instructables shuts the door in the face of its contributors.

Why didn't you sort this out behind the scenes ? When any one country that wanted to enforce their law on instructables, the lawyers had looked at the claim of that country, and IF that government wouldn't be satisfied with the response from autodesk that they work as hard as they can to comply to the law, you could have temporariliy kept participants from that country out of competition with big waving apologies and those people would be mad at their governments, rather than at you.

I think that instructables is going the Rhizome way - the site that in the 90's grew large from artistic contributions of their visitors and then turned 'private'. The company and so-called art(data)base is still there, and they probably make money off it, but the spirit (and the community) has long gone.

J
splazem says: Aug 18, 2011. 8:02 PM
To keep on the positive side, U.S.A. is on the top of both lists! Yay!
brianfss says: Aug 18, 2011. 5:52 PM
Great Explanation. Thanks for taking the time to sort it all out. I used to be a "desker" and got caught up in the rules game. Because they are in so many countries, and want to stay there, Autodesk tries really hard to follow the rules of that country.
DJ Radio says: Aug 18, 2011. 4:52 PM
How exactly could those gaming laws that you potentially broke be enforced when you were an independent entity with no locations outside the US? You pretty much implied that there was still potential for enforcement above.
Kryptonite says: Aug 17, 2011. 7:44 AM
...I love you guys, kudos from Australia!
jeff-o says: Aug 17, 2011. 6:50 AM
Sounds reasonable to me. Perhaps, in order to clarify things, you should post not only the eligible countries but also the reason why. And, make it clear that if someone from an ineligible country wins a prize, they may opt to have it sent to a friend or family member in a country that IS eligible.
rimar2000 says: Aug 17, 2011. 5:51 AM
Every day I admire more Instructables and all his staff !

Since my subscription July 6 2006 I am saying to my friends that it it one of the better (if not the best) page of the web. Not only for its contents, but for its management and ease of use.
Kiteman says: Aug 16, 2011. 1:59 PM
I keep hearing about how slow and steady the lawyers like to take things - any ideas on an actual timescale, even if it's only "by Christmas"?
CameronSS in reply to KitemanAug 16, 2011. 7:32 PM
If you'd just upgrade to AutoDesk 2012 it would be a non-issue.
kelseymh in reply to KitemanAug 16, 2011. 2:41 PM
I'm sure they'll have something solved by Christmas. The only uncertainly is which Christmas.
dombeef in reply to kelseymhAug 16, 2011. 3:24 PM
Maybe the Christmas that will never come, 2012? We will all be gone by then, so they don't have to do anything!

I dont actually believe in that, I am not crazy :D
caitlinsdad in reply to dombeefAug 16, 2011. 6:04 PM
Will it mean this is the year the AutoGrinch stole Halloween? It will be a sad day in Gotham City if it happens.
caitlinsdad says: Aug 16, 2011. 2:30 PM
Aaarrrgh, not the pirate way but definitely better than wearing wide orange horizontal pinstripes.
iceng says: Aug 16, 2011. 1:50 PM
Sounds as the only reasonable way to proceed expansion activity.

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