Update on International Entries in Instructables Contests
Currently, we can only accept entries from the US, UK, Australia, Belgium, Canada (excluding Quebec), China, Colombia, Denmark, Germany, India, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, and Switzerland in our contests and challenges. Here's why, and what we're doing to expand.
(EDIT: while we're working on expanding the country list, here's our stop-gap program to reward great projects from international authors. More info here.)
UPDATE 7/25/2012:
Colombia, Denmark, Germany, India, New Zealand, Norway, and Switzerland are now eligible for all contests! We've updated the rules to make this clear. More countries coming as fast as we can. --Christy
Broadly, there are two types of contests: games of skill and games of chance. Most of our contests are games of skill because they are judged, but we have occasionally run games of chance (random winner in a contest, random commenter wins a prize, etc..). Both types are regulated, sometimes stringently, across the world.
As an independent entity, we may have been violating the contest and gaming laws in every country on the planet except the US. While ignorance of the law isn't an acceptable reason to violate it, I did not spend the time to understand and comply with every country's contest laws. Without locations across the world, the potential for enforcement of laws I didn't know about was low.
We are now part of an international company, and the potential for enforcement is real.
Complying with laws is not a drag! It's what sustainable businesses that expect to be around for a long time do!
If you are upset about this, before you complain here, please write or call your representative, member of parliament, or dictator and ask them to simplify contest law in your country. The easier to understand your country's contest laws, the faster we can open our contests to you, and comply with your country's laws. Remember, obeying the law is what good websites do!
Autodesk is not trying to destroy the Instructables community by reducing the number of entrants to our contests; in fact, they're very concerned about the issue. We are trying to make sure we obey all the laws of all the countries where we operate. We are simultaneously working to understand the laws of more countries so we can legally run contests in more areas.
The terms and conditions of our contests are now in full compliance with the requirements of the US and Canada, except Quebec. Doing so required many hours of me talking to lawyers, and very large costs.
I have sorted the countries we will work on next by where our traffic comes from, and where past winners and entrants have come from. For reference:
Top 10 Countries by traffic:
US - open
UK - open
Canada - open (minus Quebec)
Australia - open
India - open
Germany - open
Philippines
Brazil
Mexico
France
Top 10 Countries by winners and entrants:
US - open
Canada - open
UK - open
Australia - open
Netherlands - open
Germany - open
New Zealand - open
Argentina
Colombia - open
India - open
The rules for games of skill and games of chance are drastically different. I foresee a situation where there are countries in which we can run one type of contest, but not the other.
Since we don't collect your country of residence during registration, our method of determining who is eligible is based on where a winner wants us to ship a prize.
Obeying laws is not a drag, but this is a tricky situation. I'll concede that you might view this as a bait and switch: we should have fully understood the contest laws of any country where we wanted to encourage DIY through our contests before allowing entrants from those countries. Instead, we allowed everyone, and now have to pause until I can talk to more lawyers. For that I apologize. Fixing this is one of our top priorities. Even yesterday, I discussed how to get the UK and Australia added to the approved list, and we'll work from there.
(EDIT: while we're working on expanding the country list, here's our stop-gap program to reward great projects from international authors. More info here.)
UPDATE 7/25/2012:
Colombia, Denmark, Germany, India, New Zealand, Norway, and Switzerland are now eligible for all contests! We've updated the rules to make this clear. More countries coming as fast as we can. --Christy
Broadly, there are two types of contests: games of skill and games of chance. Most of our contests are games of skill because they are judged, but we have occasionally run games of chance (random winner in a contest, random commenter wins a prize, etc..). Both types are regulated, sometimes stringently, across the world.
As an independent entity, we may have been violating the contest and gaming laws in every country on the planet except the US. While ignorance of the law isn't an acceptable reason to violate it, I did not spend the time to understand and comply with every country's contest laws. Without locations across the world, the potential for enforcement of laws I didn't know about was low.
We are now part of an international company, and the potential for enforcement is real.
Complying with laws is not a drag! It's what sustainable businesses that expect to be around for a long time do!
If you are upset about this, before you complain here, please write or call your representative, member of parliament, or dictator and ask them to simplify contest law in your country. The easier to understand your country's contest laws, the faster we can open our contests to you, and comply with your country's laws. Remember, obeying the law is what good websites do!
Autodesk is not trying to destroy the Instructables community by reducing the number of entrants to our contests; in fact, they're very concerned about the issue. We are trying to make sure we obey all the laws of all the countries where we operate. We are simultaneously working to understand the laws of more countries so we can legally run contests in more areas.
The terms and conditions of our contests are now in full compliance with the requirements of the US and Canada, except Quebec. Doing so required many hours of me talking to lawyers, and very large costs.
I have sorted the countries we will work on next by where our traffic comes from, and where past winners and entrants have come from. For reference:
Top 10 Countries by traffic:
US - open
UK - open
Canada - open (minus Quebec)
Australia - open
India - open
Germany - open
Philippines
Brazil
Mexico
France
Top 10 Countries by winners and entrants:
US - open
Canada - open
UK - open
Australia - open
Netherlands - open
Germany - open
New Zealand - open
Argentina
Colombia - open
India - open
The rules for games of skill and games of chance are drastically different. I foresee a situation where there are countries in which we can run one type of contest, but not the other.
Since we don't collect your country of residence during registration, our method of determining who is eligible is based on where a winner wants us to ship a prize.
Obeying laws is not a drag, but this is a tricky situation. I'll concede that you might view this as a bait and switch: we should have fully understood the contest laws of any country where we wanted to encourage DIY through our contests before allowing entrants from those countries. Instead, we allowed everyone, and now have to pause until I can talk to more lawyers. For that I apologize. Fixing this is one of our top priorities. Even yesterday, I discussed how to get the UK and Australia added to the approved list, and we'll work from there.

















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I do not understand it correctly.
I live in Brazil and I'm currently participating in a important contest.
If I win the contest, I can not get the prize?
Thanks,
Daniel Domingos
The only rule that exists, is that the award must be submitted personally, declared as a product of no commercial value and the result of a contest.
Simply this.
http://www.elance.com/s/studiodomingos/portfolio/
http://pinterest.com/studiodomingos/
In some countries, Instructables contests are counted as gambling, in others as contests of skill. Different countries have different age restrictions, and there are also laws about hi-tech prizes being sent to certain countries (for a while, it was illegal to export laser cutters from the US).
Be glad you do not live in Quebec, because they demand that all contest organisers be based in Quebec, which rules out all international contests for the Quebecois, forever.
If you win, your collaborator can give their contact details, receive the prize, and pass it on to you.
If I win a contest today and if for example in 2 months my country becomes eligible, I would receive my prize?
Thanks,
Daniel Domingos
But, if your country becomes eligible during a contest, you are fine.
But I regret not being able to compete in full.
And I confess that I like of this type of proactivity (claim about my rights). However the policy in Brazil is very large and I need to know what is the law specifically for know which politician I should complain.
Thanks,
The problem is I do not know any person in another country.
Sincerely I'm a little sad because I would like to engage in search of these wonderful prizes.
Thank you for your attention.
Daniel Domingos
Is there any problem with Argentina? Can I help you in any form? I have some lawyers in the family that could be helpful.
Thanks.
I already won 2 contests (Hands on learning & Back to school). I live in Spain, which is a country that's not in any Instructable shipping list. To get the prizes I had to ask two contacts from China and the Netherlands to do me the favor of providing an address to send the prize.
I want to cause them no inconveniences, so I was wondering if the Instructables staff is working in making shipments to Spain be possible for future contests and if I could provide any help in the process.
Thanks ;)
Instructables is working hard in getting more countries eligible for contests, but it takes time as every country has a different set of rules that the lawyers must work out.
Polite, succinct and helpful. :-)
Instructables is working hard in getting more countries eligible for contests, but it takes time as every country has a different set of rules that the lawyers must work out.
shystersexperienced legal team are adding countries is based on level of difficulty.Just out of curiosity, what is it about New Zealand's contest laws which make it more difficult?
It must be an activity issue - there may be a lot of readers from NZ, but how many are members, and how many of those are active members, posting projects and entering contests?
That's great news that so many countries have been added to those that are eligible to enter contests on here.
Welcome, Instructablers from Colombia, Denmark, Germany, India, Norway, and Switzerland! Have fun and good luck!
US
Canada
UK
Australia
Netherlands
Germany..."
Does this mean I can even join a challenge if I live in a country which isn't integrated yet?
Whats the different than living in a country which is already alowed?
MFG
The site does not officially know where you live until you tell them, which means that, should you win a contest you are not eligible to enter, you can give them an address of a friend in an eligible country, and your friend can mail the prize onwards to you.
Or, maybe, your country becomes eligible between your entry and the deadline...
But at least, having the chance to have a friend forward any price seems ok.
MFG
http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-a-3R-Reduce-Reuse-Recycle-Campaign-for-yo/
Anyway the happy thing is that India is going to be able to participate.
thanks again
Now am working a medium sized company in bangalore(INDIA) as a software developer. But my problem is i am not in a live project from last 6 months n gettin paid by that company..What i ve to do.? Do i complete 1 yr here for getting 1yr experience as a JAVA developer OR Quit this cmopany n try for other?
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It is quite a lot of work to alter the contest regulations to be legal in as many countries as possible.
Hope the work to include international entries is going well. I thought I'd post a link here that discusses Australian competition requirements:
http://www.digitaldialogue.com.au/online-competition-permits-australia
So far as I can see, if an online competition involves skill rather than chance a permit is not required in any Australian state or territory. I realise that there may be other legal issues to look at other than just permits, but it's a start.
Most of our time was spent running marketing surveys to determine whether "australian rules Instructables" could gain traction outside the colonies.
This is a very clear and specific case where if you'd like to be able to enter a contest on Instructables, you're going to have to get your country to change its laws. Or, you can collaborate with a partner who lives in an eligible country!
I was thinking, 1. Why do governments make (complicated) laws on games and extend them to foreign organisations? 2. How can Instructables members and contest participants help?
1. Well, governments make (complicated) laws on games because they want to protect their citizens from organisations running games that are not honest and/or lead to gambling addictions. And of course because they want to raise taxes on them when people pay to participate. The reason this is extended to games of skill is because the line between both is sometimes (intentionally) thin. And of course they need to extend that legislation to foreign organisations offering games to their citizens, as with modern media this would be the obvious way around. It is just another example of the basic mechanism where well meaning people and organisations have to bring up more effort, because people meaning less well, gave rise to a need for regulations.
One important and as such not unreasonable regulation is often that the rules of the game should be published in the official language(s) of the participants country. Obviously that alone represents work for Instructables.
Obviously the country's regulation and legislation itself is also in the official language(s). Not making it easy either.
I guess that in many countries a special case applies when the participants do not have to pay to participate. On the other hand some complicated regulation might exist to determine no indirect or hidden payment mechanisms are involved.
2. I'm afraid that appealing to representatives to simplify legislation is not realistic, as actually there are lot more voices and media attention asking for more regulation, with the protection of the citizen in mind (at least in Europe). Of course, stricter rules do not mean more complex rules, even on the contrary, but the priority in this field is not set on simplification yet.
But we might be able to help in translating to and from our official language? And we might be able to check our local legislation an see in how far Instructables' typical game rules comply? Is that useful or does that need to be done by sworn translators and/or contracted lawyers anyway?
By the way, Belgium is 11th on the list of countries by winners, so you are not forgotten!
thnx
Thanks friends!!!! :-)
Hoping for a reply
Thanks. God bless!
good luck.
While winning a contest is statistically slim, at least being allowed to try is a good start. :)
If you're an Irish person, *normally* you'd prefer not to be lumped in with the UK because we've had our disagreements in the past.
But in the case of instructable competitions i personally wouldn't mind a whole lot.
So basically, are we or aren't we lumped in with the UK in this case?
Thanks.
When it's sorted, you'll need to clarify the situation regarding contests that have already begun - specifically, if a Brit has already entered an already-running contest, will they be able to legitimately win a prize?
But do notice it took two months to get UK and AUS approved. I hope we can move faster, but we have to consult outside lawyers in each country - this means I can't stop by their offices and hurry them up, so sometimes it's very slow. :( I want to be able to send more prizes - hopefully soon!
I'm sorry to say, but I feel left out by the way you're handling this issue. Big time.
I'm going to change my avatar right now!
Big big smile from overseas!
Most recent projects are eligible.
Meanwhile I have question: I live in Mexico but I have a friend address in the USA where you can ship the prizes (in the case I win some), can I participate in the contests?
Entry requirements are flexible, and there are year-long pro memberships up for grabs.
Click here to see the rules and enter.
I have been super busy over the last few months with school and other things so I haven't been here in quite a while and I really can't believe this has happened...
Hope you guys will be able to fix this and return everything back to normal :D
In the meantime, we can still send you things if you post awesome projects. Check out the info here.
YOU'RE THE GREATEST!!!
I love you guys!!! Instructables is the BEST!!!!!
That news adds a question for me though, does that mean we can now enter the existing contests or will we only be able to enter new contests as they are added?
Great news though guys, thank you
With winners from China, Germany, and Italy, clearly Autodesk has some "boiler plate" contest terms and conditions. I'm going to go yell at lawyers right now.
The good news is that I have the attention of the top brass and they understand and value the reasons I want to open up eligibility. Further, Autodesk marketing wants to do more international contests themselves, so there are many parties interested in finding a solution.
I'm certain there is no need to reinvent the wheel here.
Don't forget that the lawyers are working for Instructables. Not the other way round. If they aren't doing the job properly give them the old heave-ho and find someone who is solution driven.
Here's another world famous and highly regarded group that runs international competitions to make use of international talent.
http://www.kaggle.com/
There must be hundreds of others.
Good luck.
Good luck. ;)
He finds that the most efficient way to get his point across is to shout at them and threaten gross physical violence.
"What do you have if a room full of lawyers are buried up to their necks in sand?"
(Not enough sand)
Y.
Good news for you: Netherlands is now 8th in traffic, so moving up the priority list.
Y.
"Remember, obeying the law is what good websites do!"
oemf, sorry ? with all due respect, that's what knights of morality in shiny capitalistic armor do.
-this comment probably doesn't comply with the "be nice policy" but it should, because I'm not being nasty, it's how I and many people feel about this.
Will
THANK YOU.
That sounds like an important point to me. As a person who lives in a country where we spell it "colour", can I have prizes shipped to my friends in the US and therefore enter contests? I'd imagine the spirit of the site very much frowns upon the alternative, having sock-puppet accounts registered to a US resident who publish the work of others.
It sounds like a loophole that wouldn't stand up to a lot of scrutiny, legally speaking, but then I'm no more familiar with this area of international law than anyone else who isn't a lawyer.
- We'll search for US / Canadian (sans Quebec) citizens, who are willing to ship the prize(s) to the winner(s) who live abroad.
If a prize is won by a "foreign" Ibler, the prize is sent to one of the people mentioned above.
- To cover the expenses of shipping, we make a fund. All "foreign" participants to a contest chip in some money to a Paypal-account. The money collected can be used for shipping costs and / or customs fees.
We bypass all laws, rules and lawyers this way, don't we? Please let me know what you think.
If person A from overseas legally wins some item, and it is shipped to person B to then ship to person A, B is *not* giving A a gift.
It's probably extremely hard to really get around the law. By shipping the item to person B, Instructables will be off the hook, I'm sure. They shipped the prize to a person within the approved countries. What happens after that with the prize, is not of their concern, I guess.
I'm willing to take the chances of getting caught :)
Speaking as a member in this for the long-term, I'd rather wait until the lawyers get things sorted.
I would also, though, prefer not to wait very long. I am firmly of the opinion that id Autodesk's lawyers are in any way competent to deal with this situation, they should have enough knowledge of international contest laws, and enough previous versions of the appropriate paperwork, to have fixed this already.
But look at this, re: that Autodesk sponsored contest below has pretty stringent rule because it was to promote their own product and rule #13 states:
13. The Contest is open to any individual, except the following who are not eligible to participate in the Contest: (i) individuals who are residents of: (1) the following states of the United States of America: Florida, New York, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island; or (2) the Province of Quebec, Canada; (iii) individuals who are residents of a country, state, province or jurisdiction that (1) prohibits any aspect of the Contest or requires localized translation; (2) prohibits unregistered contests; or (3) requires Sponsor to post a bond. An Entrant may be required to submit proof of eligibility.
It may be the shoe will be on the other foot when the smoke clears. Maybe there is something against NYer's. I will concede that Florida does have all of our retirees, don't know how Rhode Island got involved and Puerto Rico and Quebec just can't get a break.
I really hope this can be fixed soon. Given the fact that Autodesk issues international contests themselves, I do not understand the problem:
- Autodesk tells Instructables to stop doing international contests
- Autodesk issues international contests to celebrate AutoCAD's anniversary
So: Instructables can issue international contests as well. Period. It's really as simple as that. In big corporation peptalk: Just do it.
If that makes Autodesk's lawyers mad (which can be expected, since you're violating laws with the current terms and conditions), let the lawyers fix the problem.
I get the feeling from your post that you think you are the one responsible to fix this problem, but you're not. Autodesk Legal Office should fix it. It's their problem, not yours. They are not happy with your contest terms. To fix that, _they_ should come up with other terms and conditions, instead of telling you to stop running international contests.
Autodesk is in charge. What Autodesk says, goes.
Since Autodesk has run international competitions before. Everyone knows beforehand that this "contest-thing" is not a real issue. The solution is already there, and everybody knows that. It just has to be found by Autodesk's lawyers.
So what happens here is powerplay. Autodesk is showing the Instructables team who is in charge. If Instructables wants to keep their identity, and wants to be able to take their own decisions, they must play the game and show Autodesk what they stand for.
I think it is _really_ important that Eric et al show their teeth to the Autodesk management here (Eric, are you reading this?). If they obey without any resistance, they will also create a precedent for future "differences in policy" that may occur. And will occur. Because the differences between the way Autodesk and Instructables run their businesses, is huge. And that difference is the most difficult bump to be taken, to make the merge successful for all parties.
Pray tell, what motive does Autodesk have for inexplicably hacking off the community the instant they acquire it? It doesn't make any sense that Autodesk is just screwing around with their employees/this community to assert power. They have absolutely nothing to gain by doing so, and tangible things to lose (if nothing else, the attorney bill!). I do not think it is accurate to say that "everyone knows" anything about this situation.
> I mean to be deliberately disobedient.
That's...not how it works. Not if you want to keep your job.
The time for standing up for principles is past. That time was during negotiations. That time was during the inking of the agreement. That time was before Autodesk became the legal owner of Instructables. Instructables then had a measure of power - or at least autonomy. No longer.
This cannot be a matter of power plays, for Instructables has no power anymore. Autodesk literally owns them. It can do whatever the hell it wants; Instructables is now mercy to its whims. It's like your 5 year old kid trying to make a "power play" with you - you might give in to their screaming just to make it stop, true, but it's not like little Susie or Bobby can actually force you to let them stay up all night. Not if you are determined they are going to bed. You're quite simply bigger and way more powerful.
Barring some sort of clause guaranteeing his continued employment, Eric will eventually get fired if he just blatently ignores orders. It no longer makes sense to operate under the model of Eric-in-control or Eric-as-CEO, because he *isn't* anymore.
This comes down to my point. They don't, from the viewpoint of the Instructables community. So there must be something else.
That "something else" is _not the legal issue_, I'm absolutely certain of that. Autodesk issued an international contest themselves! (see the post of Eric, of Aug. 18th). International contests are issued all over the world, all the time. Think of design contests, programming challenges, Lego NXT Leagues, etc, etc, etc. The legal stuff around that has been set up ages ago.
> Eric will eventually get fired if he just blatently ignores orders.
Eric will get fired if he doesn't do his job properly. He is Community Manager now. An important part of his job is to keep the Instructables community alive and kicking. Closing the contests for international entries is a very, very bad thing for 38% of Instructables' visitors. That is not what good community managers do. Besides that, over 64%(!) of Autodesk's revenues come from Europe and Asia!
Autodesk doesn't exactly have a reputation of being strong in keeping communities sound and happy (and that's a very mild way of putting it. If you want to know how a howling audience sounds, try the users of Autodesk's pro apps). That's probably (and hopefully) the reason why they asked Eric to keep the Instructables family alive. To do that, and to keep his job, he must stand up against this kind of behavior from Autodesk legal department.
What I mean to say is not that Eric should "blatently ingnore orders". He must stand up for the Autodesk community, and convince management of his decisions. Ignoring orders that are so clearly very foolish, is a wise thing to do, from all viewpoints. It's up to him to convince Autodesk on that part.
The more I think about it, the gloomier Instructable's future seems..
Why didn't you sort this out behind the scenes ? When any one country that wanted to enforce their law on instructables, the lawyers had looked at the claim of that country, and IF that government wouldn't be satisfied with the response from autodesk that they work as hard as they can to comply to the law, you could have temporariliy kept participants from that country out of competition with big waving apologies and those people would be mad at their governments, rather than at you.
I think that instructables is going the Rhizome way - the site that in the 90's grew large from artistic contributions of their visitors and then turned 'private'. The company and so-called art(data)base is still there, and they probably make money off it, but the spirit (and the community) has long gone.
J
Since my subscription July 6 2006 I am saying to my friends that it it one of the better (if not the best) page of the web. Not only for its contents, but for its management and ease of use.
I dont actually believe in that, I am not crazy :D
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