Vice CKG Bolt Action Rifle

I haven't posted anything for a few months, and I decided to begin work on something that would blow everyone away.  My goal was to create the most efficient, most power, most versatile mag fed knex rifle ever.  I discovered a way to do that when I came up with the Bullet Transfer System (BTS) that you saw in my BTPA pump action rifle.  However, the BTPA had a several drawbacks.  The first was the size of it.  It was just way too big.  Second was that the ammo it shot was connector ammo, and would start spinning out very quickly.  Last was that the ram barely had any time to accelerate,  as the bullet was placed right above the handle.  I suddenly thought of a design that would solve these problems, quickly drew them out, and began work.  The result was the most efficient, versatile, and powerful mag fed gun ever made, the Vice CKG.  CKG stands for Compact Knex Gun, and I am truly proud if it.  The trigger is a variation of Zak's so I give him credit for that.  So exactly how efficient is this gun?  I was able to get 60+ feet with a string of two #64s with the long range round.  The yellow rods get around 50 feet, only because they spin out after a while, but with two #64s unsharpened yellows can go right through a box from a few feet away.  What's the secret to this incredible efficiency?  First off, the firing pin is a grey rod+a gray connector long, giving it that extra room to accelerate.  Second, the trigger is as far back as possible.  Third, the rods are placed as far away from the ram, giving it time to accelerate.  Finally, the BTS allows the bullet to stay in place with nearly no contact between the bullet and the gun.  

(I know that statement may sound a little bold, but I am very confident in saying it)

60+ feet range single shot with two #64s
50 feet range with yellows with two #64s
Extremely versatile (perfect for long and close range)
Looks great
15 yellow rod mag capacity
You will dominate the battlefield

Reload time (for me anyways)

This video is a little out of date, I have made some upgrades since it was made/

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The instructions are up just click my profile to view them.
I am going to attempt to build this if it works I will post instructions..
Please do. Go ahead and use these instructions to help you along: http://www.instructables.com/id/KNEX-ZKAR-Build/
Except it's nothing like the zkar.
Absolute fibs. Go away. XD
Slightly different trigger, different transfer system, different mag, different handle, different pin guide, literally completely different.
Nope, nope, nope, nope, and nope.
Unless you were talking about your own zkar ible, well then yeah it's basically the same thing. But you replied to the guy wanting to build the VICE with your ible to help him, and knowing how to build the zkar is not at all helpful for this gun.
I don't think you've built it before. I have. How would you even know?
I built it a while ago, it isn't that great. Just build the zkar. It uses tons of parts and doesn't actually perform any better.
Brock D3 years ago
You should really make instructions for this gun. I have already buitl the ZKAR and it was pretty good. So if this is better that....... WOW
I would love to try this one...
heatblast6 years ago
It wont be if he hurries the hell up and posts it.
I built it, it sucked.
You might not have built it correctly.
I built it exactly as the pictures showed.  There is no way the constrution could have been differet.  The bts worked fine, the pin just didn't accelerate fast enough to get any power with the bands he tells you to use.
a little late, but i think your problem was either a mis-connected part in the barrel, or you didn't take the bolt forward after cocking.
MrRadicalEd6 years ago
Would someone be willing to make an instructable for this?
No need, just go build the ZKAR.
It was alright, but I'm interested in the uniqueness of this design.
What's so unique about this design? This has the same bolt action mech as the ZKAR, and the only real non-cosmetic difference is the angled mag.
a little late, i know, but relax, man. why are you so defensive of the ZKAR? this is (cosmetically) cleaner and works better, according to my experience with both this and the ZKAR (and quite a few mods of the ZKAR).
Jesus.5 years ago
Build this gun!
It's awesome! Much better then the ZKAR.
It's even better then he said if you use the right rubber bands!
Can ya make an instructable?
Kinetic (author)  Jesus.5 years ago
You were able to figure it out? Congrats and thanks for the feedback. Sorry I never got around to making an instructable, I thought it was too similar to the zkar to be called my own, but the performance is exceptional. Would you mind making an instructable? I took it apart a while ago so I cant. Its up to you and im glad you like it.
Post ASAP or I will hunt you down, remove your arm and beat you to death with it.
My threat still stands.
wow, you know he's not going to post it, right?
No, I didn't.
heatblast5 years ago
Kinetic, If you're not going to post this,and it has to be where I have to build it from the pictures,then I will. For the love of god please post the vice. I've been waitin' FOREVER! Please respond to my comment.
anres3216 years ago
Great !! XD 4*
heatblast6 years ago
Hey kinetic, if you don't post then I will lol.
Kinetic (author)  heatblast6 years ago
 Can you?  I can't find my card adapter.
Sorry man, that was a joke. I yanked on your chain that time. Besides I don't even have the actual gun built lol.  I just love being the comical stud. XD
I have it 90% done, im really busy, I will prolly finish it tomorrow or over the weekend.
Then I guess you can post it, it doesn't really bother me who does, as long as it's posted.
It was terrible for me. It barely shot across my room. The bolt-action mech was fine, but for some reason the ramrod would not accelerate fast enough to get any power. When I put more bands on, the grey connector broke. I built it exactly as the pictures are.
Find it!  Please!  I've been waiting months!
heatblast6 years ago
Are you seriously like, so in love with this thing that you obviously can't post it?? Or did your dog eat the vice instead of your homework lol. Come on man, we know you better than that. You made a promise, I think it's best if you keep that promise, and live up to your word.
TheChemiker6 years ago
Don't build this gun, it is a giant dissapointment.
heatblast6 years ago
Dude, post this and the BTPA-7 already,they're awesome!
Kinetic (author)  heatblast6 years ago
 This will be up shortly-the BTPA is long gone sorry.  However I am designing a pump action that will blow everyone away.
WOOT! Thank god you're at least posting this one. Cause I wouldn't be the same without an i'ble for it. Btw, is the new pump action you mentioned as good as the BTPA, or better?
I'm geussing better, or he wouldn't have made it in the first place.
You are actually posting soon????????
Kinetic (author)  Seleziona6 years ago
 Yes.  I am sorry I have been "dead" in this site for a bit-ive had a lot of stuff going on lately.  This will be up soon, then i plan to go out with a bang.
So you're quitting?
Kinetic (author)  Seleziona6 years ago
 Yeah, though I may still visit the site occasionally-i'm not quite done yet however...
I see, I heard you had some really good ideas, eh?
Kinetic (author)  Seleziona6 years ago
yeah, the first one it a break action that will pull back the ram as you break it.  The second one it what I'm really excited about, however.  It is a pump action sling shotbow with a removable horizontal mag that loads into the top like a p90.  I havent built any of it yet but I have drawn out designs.
The P90 like thing sounds sweet!!!!
TheChemiker6 years ago
Hey, I see how the bts works!  I'll post some internal pics soon, and then I will compare it directly to my zkar and see which is better!
Seleziona6 years ago
Are you posting any time soon?
Kinetic (author)  Seleziona6 years ago
 Yeah, it will be up sometime over february vacation.
It's vacation now....
Any plannings?
Kinetic (author)  PindaHoofd6 years ago
 Yeah sorry I haven't gotten it up yet, I lost the memory card for my camera.  I'll start taking pics as soon as i can
Still not up.....
Still not up.....
I know, he's prolly not going to post it.  :(
I hope he does, though.
Still not up....
All right. I hope you will have it done in this vacation.
Kinetic (author)  silentassasin216 years ago
 You were able to build it just by the pics?  Good job!  How do you like it?
Iv'e built everything but the bts by the video!  I just found out about this forum topic!
Yes i was able to build it from the pics. I like it alot never has jammed shoots a good 50 feet with that one band shown. Ive added sights and a pin mod. Im probably going to don that handle/mag connection update that you did.
Dirtyboyy6 years ago
post it man ...

it's currently 14 march ..
go you post it .. or don't you ?
knexguy6 years ago
Try giving it Vector bodywork.
heatblast6 years ago
Instructions? PLEASE!! XD.
Dirtyboyy6 years ago
the stock/handle is bandy isn't it ?
bud its realy cool ! 
what's gonna happend if you pud to many rubberbands on it ?
does it broke ? 
DJ Radio6 years ago
First off the design looks bent.  Second it looks like a ZKAR ripoff.
Most guns are "ripoffs" of others going by your logic. The only thing I see in this is the trigger.
I'd still take a ZKAR over this because the mag looks bent...
That doesn't really explain why you think it's a ripoff. Anyways I'd probably stick with the ZKAR as it's just more of my style. Actually I'd like to make my own but I'm waiting on pieces before I do.
Because it uses a similar bolt action mech, same trigger, the only real difference is the mag is angled, which isn't as reliable that way.
Kinetic (author)  DJ Radio6 years ago
 The bolt action mech is not the same at all, that's what makes it so much more better.  As for the angled mag, it makes the gun even more reliable because it keeps the ridges of the yellow rods from ever coming into contact.  Just read the description before you go out saying things that aren't true.  Nothing against you in any way, but people do tend to judge on things they have little knowledge on.

He didn't say a thing not true.

Kinetic (author)  Der Bradly6 years ago
 Then explain why this gets as much range as the ZKAR using half the bands.
Does it?  Make a video and I'll believe you.
Kinetic (author)  DJ Radio6 years ago
 You got it.  It will be up soon.
K thanks.
Kinetic (author)  DJ Radio6 years ago
 Believe it.
Please don't argue over such an insignificant thing. Comparing weapons never turns out well in the end. I had trouble enough convincing people my BAW wasn't a ZKAR copy so you're in for loads of crap. Just learn to deal with it. The more you swat the beats the more they bite back.
Kinetic (author)  TheDunkis6 years ago
 Good idea, I'll let it go.  Do you do debate or something?  You'd be good at it.
Lol thanks. We don't have a debate team or anything here and I really don't care for speech. I just have to settle with being a voice of reason with friends and such. It gives me a weird rep online. A lot of people don't like me because I pick at them for everything they do wrong and then intellectuals will love me because...well we need to stick together when we're a minority on the internet lol.
The magazine is different, the handle and stock are all different, the bolt handle is different and it appears to load a little differently. It's different enough. All guns are ripoffs going by your logic, like I said before. People make their own TRs where there isn't much difference at all. People made their own side arms and that was even worse. You got sick and tired of your pistol being compared to the MeZak. It all comes down to people just adding a touch of their own style and making some changes that do actually set the gun apart from others.
cool bas36 years ago
i might build,and then mod it
Kinetic (author)  cool bas36 years ago
 What would you do to mod it?  Just wondering how I should improve it.
the bending stock
Kinetic (author)  cool bas36 years ago
 Ok got it fixed.  Anything else that you think needs fixing?  If not I'll post it as soon as I get the chance.
now is good!
travw6 years ago
Cool looking, but I'd prefer a ZBA. More my style. Nonetheless, props.
heatblast6 years ago
DAMN kinetic! you're just killing me with these crazy inventions, yu da man! I GIvES YoU a FiVe StArZ. :)
Kinetic (author)  heatblast6 years ago
 I'm da man!!! W00T!  Haha thanks.  
your most welcome:), and this is what my best friend Spock would say: "LIVE LONG AND PROSPER".XD