You are one hell of a waste of space if you don't believe evolution is true. It's like denying the holocaust.
Also evolution is fact AND theory, the same way that gravity is fact and theory. We know that gravity exists/we know that evolution exists. If newtons laws were proven wrong, gravity would not stop/If Darwin was wrong, evolution would not stop. Gravity and evolution are facts in that they exist. The theory is how they work and how they came to be.

Over 99.9% of the scientific community views evolution as fact.
Below is a little argument I wrote up a year ago or so, so far no ones been able to properly counter it. But someone on here probably will.

For something to be created, it must have a parent. This is irrefutable unless you believe in magic. Explain how the human race was created (or any other race for that matter) without a parent. It MUST have evolved from a simpler organism. Now to counter my argument you will probably ask me how this simpler organism was created without a parent? Well to answer that, well no one can answer that, yet. But there is a whole field of study dedicated to it. Look up Abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is the study of how nucleic acids came to be. Here is where the evolutionary argument is stronger than the creationist argument. If we can discover ONE SINGLE fact, the fact of how nucleic acids came to be, then we can say that all other life forms evolved from these nucleic acids. But how do many organisms evolve from 1 acid. Well nucleic acids are created from proteins which are created from amino acids. These amino acids created (under different conditions) different proteins which created different nucleic acids. Creationists have to say that all living things came to be. They did not evolve from each-other and they all were created without any evolution at all. Thus they have to say that millions of different species were created and they have to prove this. The evolutionists only have to say that ONE organism was formed and the rest evolved from it. Now this argument is based on evolution being true. But if you look at fossil evidence then you can almost certainly determine that evolution is a FACT. You do not need carbon dating to do this, as some skeptics say that carbon dating is inaccurate. You can take fossils from different rock layers (such as the grand canyon) and can determine the approximate age of it. By doing so you can order the fossils from old to new, and you can see step by step how the organisms evolved. But still, carbon dating is a STRONG tool to show how old fossils are.

BTW: Those who say evolution is a mathematical impossibility: I just give them this. 1/3=.333 3x1/3=3x.333 1=.999 . This means that all systems have flaws, but that does not mean that the entire system is flawed either. This is also a good analogy for the people who think that carbon dating is inaccurate.

YOU wrote lines upon lines of a comment that wasn't true at all , therefore wasted of space by.... YOU!

BECAUSE proof of MACROEVOLUTION (e.g A dog turning into a cat) has NEVER been scientifically proven! It's nothing but pure speculations.

Learn before you speak.

Read these PDF files, and then try commenting again.

Macroevolution has been proven, and your definition of it (a dog turning into a cat is a strawman argument. Evolution doesn't work that way.

Please watch this video before displaying your close minded ignorance again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7GaI2rCwI

Actually macro evolution has been proven.

Evolution is a big fail. Anyways That comment was months old, I am still a creationist, but I do not argue against evolution anymore (Causes too much of an uproar)

I rebel against evolution and Al Gore and NOBODY CAN CHANGE MY MIND THEY ARE BOTH FALSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I rebel against rebellion. Conformity, peaceful nonconformity and/or civil disobedience 4 lyfe.

I also rebel against arguing endlessly about evolution. Here's my new tack.

OK, if there is so much scientific evidence for creation theory, as you are so keen on saying to Kiteman- hit me with it. GIve me all the evidence for creation theory you can find. All of it. I don't mind wading through pages and pages of it, as long as it's relevant. Note that this is evidence for creation I want, not holes in the currently accepted history of complex life or in the theory of natural selection. Maybe it's not quite complete- so what? It's the best alternative, so I'll go with it until I'm shown something better.

Can has evidence for creation theory pls? kthxbai

rebel against rebellion.

Doesn't that make you a hibicrit? (don't know how to spell it, sorry.)

I don't mean to be mean or rude, I just want to point that out.

Its like counter-counter terrorism. is it the same as terrorism or a league of its own?

Counter counter terrorism is a terrorist I believe.

orly?

counter terrorism is terrorism.

hmm... terrorism fighting terrorism. thats very profound!

Terrorism fight terrorism? Then that would make both counter terrorist, then, that makes them both terrorist and ect ect...

it represents that from "good" comes "evil" and from "evil," "good." but technically there is no good and evil. only chaotic neutral. all actions have a just purpose for the person committing said action. whether a murderer murders for a personal vendetta that no one else knew or the bungler robing a bank to keep from loosing something. no matter what, right and wrong do not exist in this dimension, only rules and guidelines based on a majority of people's ideas.

Hmm, an interesting point. I wasn't being entirely serious, there was a touch of irony in that statement. What I meant was that just being "a rebel" for the fun of it doesn't make much sense, so I choose not to. It was actually quite a silly comment that doesn't hold up to much logical scrutiny- if I explain it enough to make sense I'd have to change the wording so much it's basically unrecognisable. (And it's "hypocrite")

Oh, I see. (And thanks. Stupid spell check can't sound words out)

Yeah, I want what pkm wants. plz?

lol, look what you started... :D

WOW. one comment goes a long way...

yeah...

Not true like gravity is not true.

prove me that evolution is true

prove to us its false evolution is innocent until proven guilty

why is there no any proof of civilization before 4000 B.C.

Oh, this I've got to hear... On what grounds do you, a follower of a religion based on a religion whose calender counts the current year as 5769?

yeah, your point is?

I suggest you go back and ask your pastor - if you can't see the fallacy in your own claims, then you are well overdue another dose of meme therapy.

OoooOOOo! I do believe that is the rare, Teacher-Burn. :D

so you are believing that you are once a monkey?

umm...
DUDE, THAT'S A STUPID THING TO SAY...
i believe in god too!

but here's the thing:
what that would mean is that we are not monkeys, but come from monkeys, but aren't monkeys ourselves...

i know that... i am just telling them what they think they once was

So then, you think your three gold and black letters?
_{Also, when in a debate via the internet, it helps to use suitable grammar, and well structured sentences.}

hmm... does kiteman believe in god?

nope... i am trying to convince him

the chances of that are as much as him convincing you

me convinced? Never!

so you can't possibly convince him, now can you?

i am through with him. he does not respect me.

No, I'm pretty sure that Kiteman fully respects you. The problem is that you're taking all of his points as insults. You're being too defensive; everything he says is not an attack against you.

if you would have seen the comments he has given me you would see them as "insults"

If Darth Gecko Man was being honest, then he would admit that he had taken the opportunity to delete points to which he had no valid response. That's why he deleted the whole "Creationism vs Evolution" thread as well. He'd rather run and hide than admit he is wrong.

Okay, I'm curious as to which ones you think are insults. Copy and paste one of his "insults" into your comment here and give me the link if it's from another forum topic.

i already deleted them... they were on my orangeboard

I cannot respect is the way you have been trying to "debate away" evolution when you have admitted that you will not believe it because you do do not understand it, and you are scared that it might be true.

I cannot respect the way you delete comments that are direct replies to your comments.

Feel free to try and convince me I am wrong, but you must research evolution properly (not from creationist websites) to try and find the mistakes in it, and if you want to convince me that there is a god, then you are going to have to come up with some actual evidence.

i deleted those comments cause they were insults.

You saw insults, I saw direct responses to the points you tried to make. That's what happens when you try and play with the big boys.

there! another insult!

Where? You, having admitted that you do not understand evolution, tried to prove that it is wrong. How can you be surprised when you get shot down in flames? It's like trying to enter the Indie 500 the day after you master the ignition key.

no, he just thinks you're a stubborn child who doesn't have real "faith", but just believes what he reads in a book...

he doesn't mind people who just have faith...
^{oh yeah, and stopping the argument should help}

thats what i am trying to do, now i know Kiteman is just plain mean.

How is it "mean" to hold up your claims for examination in the cold light of day?

You jumped into this argument with both feet and eyes wide open.

You will not find me complaining if you challenge my claims with evidence, but you keep expecting me to listen to claims proven to be lies years before you even heard of Hovind.

you told me i was a little foolish kid and that i am believing Christianity only because i am scared.

Are you old?

Was it sensible to try and convert a qualified scientist and firm atheist from a position of ignorance?

Did you not admit to the mere possibility of evolution being true making you "uncomfortable"?

Young, foolish, scared.

kiteman I am going in to ask one simple question right here in this comment do you have faith in evolution

No.

I also do not have faith in gravity, chairs or mice.

another insult...

Are you saying that I am wrong? Are you claiming to be old? Wise? Brave? Is it brave to delete posts and threads when you start to lose a debate? Or do you just find it insulting to have the obvious pointed out to you?

i was not losing and i did not want people seeing those insults

There was some minor ridicule, but the main insult was by you - insulting our intelligence with some of your claims.

well you are insulting OUR religious claims

Merely questioning them. If they are sound, they will withstand the closest analysis.

So far, my youngest son has decided for himself that religion is silly because the bible doesn't hold up to scrutiny. He just turned 8.

well he just said: "wow! this book tells how dinosaurs were from millions of years ago, that must be right." you know how gullible little kids are...

First you complain that I am insulting you, then you openly insult my son, who has no account here and so is unable to defend himself.

Hypocritical and cowardly.

I'd be willing to bet that he could debate circles around you, youngling.

No, he has read the Bible, and listened to stories from pulpits (he was curious about church, so I took him), and decided that they don't make sense. As for fossils, yes, he has books about them, but he has held them in his hand himself. He has dug them out of the ground himself. You see, he has a mind of his own, and isn't afraid to think for himself.

Yeah, gullible, like how you came to believe Christianity?
Golly gee, there's a god who loves me? I want someone to love me! I'm afraid to die... but when I die I go to heaven where everything is great!

Gullible, yes.

well... whatever, it's best not to argue with him, anyone who tries always ends up giving up, because nothing works...

How do you know? You didn't join until after the Crusades.

oh... nevermind then, but that's just from my short experience...

It makes sense that DGM won't be convinced, because his "faith" is unmovable, because his pastor said so. DGM sounds like the kind of guy who says

• The bible says it
• I believe it
• that settles it!

well... i for one have genuine faith...

Genuine Faith? You're 12 years old. But, if your faith is Genuine, I must ask... How many Turkeys would have been on the ark?

oh, oops, i used the wrong word...
i meant, unlike dgm, i believed in god for a reason other than being afraid of hell...
as in, i actually believe in god instead of trying to trick myself into believing it...

oh whatever, sorry for the confusion...

^{oh yeah, and i'm not sure if that's a trick question but i believe it's 2}

hey! it is not that i am scared of hell, its just that there is evidence for creationism

Ignorance is not evidence.

lol, i had no idea...

^{hey, wait, aren't you pastafarian?}

may i ask why?

Because they are the people who actually believe it, but yet someone who doesn't believe it knows more about it.

no, i mean why do you know so much about it anyways?

^{ps, dgm started a thread, and he's really pissing everyone off, isn't he?}

"Know thy enemy" It's not hard to know more about the bible than a creationist. All you have to do is read it with an open mind.

oh...

the pastor never said anything about me arguing

... What did I say about being stupid?

That question clearly illustrates that you have no idea what evolution is, says, does, or how it works.

I believe the expression is...

FAIL!

nice, kiteman!

like this:

ok... i going to start a forum instead of trashing this on...

Oh, it is to laugh - I got most of it emailed to me by the site, even though you deleted it as soon as you started looking stupid.

I mean...

did you know that there are giant closed clams on the top of the Himalayas
there is a city in France named after the dragon that stood beside it
there is no evidence of civilization before 400 BC
Carbon dating has been proved false.

You just don't get it, do you? DIRT MOVES! All that shows is that the top of the Himalayas was covered with water at one time. Totally irrelevant to Evolution.

but they are closed, clams open when they die
.
i believe that the dragons were actually dinosaurs that were on the ark. but were hunted to extinction by humans

Call it an insult if you want, but I still consider it cowardly to delete posts just because you are losing the debate and making yourself look silly. It proves you do not have the courage of your convictions, and have very little faith in the power of your arguments.

i only deleted 2 posts and i only deleted the forum because someone said so

I count three deleted posts (two of mine, one of skate's), and who asked you to delete the thread? Your pastor?

i know but you still have insulted me several other times and Anarchist Asian said so i take all comments for granred.

You'd better do some proper research first, like finding out what evolution actually is, and how natural selection works.

And you'd better check your history as well, since you have no idea about when things happened in your own species' past.

OH SNAP!!! :D