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Dude, read my mind.

haha and how'd that go? :P

just peachy :D

I see what you did there...

Your powers of observation are pretty, um, "special," aren't they? :-)

Specifically, I started typing a reply, then noticing 50+ comments, did a quick ctrl+f "grammar" and found you were already poking at the ridiculousness...

Wow. It'd be awesome if others could learn vicariously from your expertise ;->

Forget vicariously, if some persons "could just learn"....I admit I am not the Grammar king, and I occasionally over use commas, but I do make a valiant attempt at not being too obvious...

:-) I was thinking more about the ability to scan for comments before posting redundantly :-)

After a moment's reflection, I understand. :-) Had to re-read your conversation with frollard to remember the context *sigh* I really have forgotten most "grammar rules" but have a general feel for what is correct and what is not. Still, for those that argue over the use of who and whom, or remember from school the defition of a gerund without looking it up....well, I will fail in their eyes I suppose :-)

With regard to your subsequent comment Ideas and meaning can only be communicated imperfectly and with great misunderstanding, without the use of proper language.
I don't really understand what annoys you, because your use of language (above) doesn't make it perfectly clear.

Is it people who can't be bothered to use punctuation or grammar properly?
Is it people who can't be bothered to learn how to use punctuation or grammar properly?
Does it include people who are infants, brain-damaged, senile, demented etc. who genuinely don't know how to use punctuation or grammar properly?

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Those who can't be bothered, being too lazy or self-absorbed.

I'd go with that certainly, but also the 2nd.

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Still, I make mistakes. Then sometimes I try to write like Faulkner's stream of consciousness to make a point. Yes, Im still learning in my third language.
I do have help, my wife is a retired 4th grade US teacher.

Please feel appreciated, when I raise your ire, to let me know.

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No one irates me, (everything is beautiful, I am happy...)

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People who think that punctuation and grammar are more important than ideas and meaning, which can be communicated quite nicely, without--proper, punctuation: or-perfect: grammar: or speling.

Ideas and meaning can only be communicated imperfectly and with great misunderstanding, without the use of proper language. If you don't understand that, then perhaps you haven't had any reason or desire to communicate your ideas clearly.

A picture.

A tone of voice.

A tear.

A mispelled word.

A mispronounced word.

A badly phrased sentence.

Or that most serious sin: bad punctuation.

All, can communicate perfectly and with great understanding to those who are paying attention to intention and not obsessed with fashionable form.

Ideas and meaning can be communicated imperfectly and with great misunderstanding even with the use of proper language. I have seen you do it.

If you don't understand that, then perhaps you haven't had any reason to listen to what others are clearly saying to you.

Playing devil's advocate, errors of the type committed by OP really *don't* hinder understanding...

Mostly true, of course. The obfuscation caused by linguistic mistakes scales with the amount of useful information to be presented.

Not *necessarily*. The type of error(s) is also important. I think we can agree that grammatical/syntax errors cause much more confusion than mere typos, misspellings, or incorrect punctuation; all but the very grossest of these present only a minor annoyance and do not seriously impede comprehension or communication (as shown by that silly "Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy..." thing). The identity of the screwed-up words can almost always be ascertained if it's just poorly spelled and punctuated, while errors/unintended uses in grammar can completely change the actual meaning of perfectly spelled and punctuated words.

Try it in mathematics ;-)

Agreed.

That must make it hard for you to be by yourself.

We can tell. Good luck at job interview time.

And people who don't notice sarcastic broadsides.

+1

I see my first one was "lost" because the sarcasm didn't come across well.....

I find people's opinions of "art" should be "I like it" or "I don't like it" but not "that is 'really bad'" - it annoys me that they make themselves the "do all, end all" of art. :-)

Yeah, I feel left out since I don't see much TV or play much games