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Who would a god be without believers?


You could also ask "What would a god be without believers?" (because not all gods are human-like).
Lots off people all over the world believe in one or more gods. But what if (and I say if because it isn't very likely) all human beings on this planet would stop believing in there god (or gods)?
What or who would a god than be? Would a god than be a funny drawing on a wall or just some guy in a book? Perhaps the new neighbours, the mailman or the birds in your garden were ones your god, until  you stopped believing. 
Think, philosophies and give your opinion about this question!

I'm curious who or what a god would be without believers according to you.

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dsman1952763 years ago
Thats a very interesting question, I have to say.

I think that we can all agree that God would still be all powerful, and almighty whether or not anyone 'believes' in him(IE. Just because nobody believes in his power, doesn't mean it doesn't exist) . I think it's also notable that believing in something and worshiping are two distinctly different things.

You say if people stop believing, but really it's if people stop worshiping. Believing in god doesn't mean a darn thing unless you do something about it. Even the devils 'believe'(Know?) God exists, but there not helping out his cause are they? 

James 2:19-20 "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder...faith without deeds is useless"
Nope, we certainly can't all agree with that.  You're assuming that the question is about one particular deity (yours), and you're assuming that your own ideas have some sort of universal application.
First, besides the Bible verse I never mentioned Christ(To my dismay).

I also figured that what ever religion you were(assuming that this question calls for a non-Atheist religion. The answer from a Atheist to this question is bluntly obvious...) you could agree that no matter what the people on earth think, he will still be all powerful. If you can't agree to that, you really need to rethink your religion(IE. saying that your God is dependent on what we think doesn't really give him any power does it?)

Please note, I do understand that there are religions out there that don't follow this exactly(Having more then one God for example). I also understand that there is a religion for just about anything today. But I think we can agree that the majority of the more well known/followed religions are monotheistic, and could agree that God is all powerful, and will always be all powerful.

Example:

Lets say your the smartest person on earth(How every you want to define being smart, it doesn't really matter). Just because everyone in the world doesn't think your the smartest doesn't make you any less smart then if they did think you were the smartest.

Or take a black hole for example, just because you don't believe that it is there, doesn't mean it's not going to suck you up.
theexternaldisk (author)  dsman1952763 years ago
I've been thinking about your answer.
What if a god has never bin all powerful, but we just belief he, she or it is.

Lets use your example from the smartest person. What if that person wasn't the smartest person on the world and the only reason we think he's so smart is because we believe in it.
You never know.

That doesn't really effect my point. To use my example again, even if you weren't the smartest person on earth, whether or not we believe you are the smartest person won't effect how smart you are.(Though, in this example there are other factors, but those don't really come into play in the question).

And if you just 'Believe' that the/a God is all-powerful, but really isn't then how is it a God?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but just because I get the whole world to believe that my toe is God, doesn't make it any more of a God then before, and thus making the question of "What would a god be without believers?" really "Would would something conceived as god be without believers" which would be nothing. Why should my toe change just because you do or don't believe it's God?

The big difference between my toe and God is that God would be all-powerful in some way or another(Of coarse there are many other differences, but this is just a general main difference). When I say all-powerful, it doesn't necessarily have to be that they can do anything. Take Buddha for instance, He/she is not all-powerful in the sense that Jesus would be all-powerful, but in Buddhism Buddha would be all-powerful because he knows everything, and has achieved Nirvana. 
1) You used "God" capitalized and without an article.  That is the name given to one specific deity in one religion, and is used specifically by members of that religion.

2) Not all deities are assumed to be omnipotent.  Just yours (and His counterpart in the other Abrahamic religions).
Well, I didn't realize capitalizing god was a big deal. It's become a habit to me I guess. I think it's notable though that even if I was Muslim I would still capitalize god. The fact that I capitalized god does refer to one deity, but what deity that is I never said, as I left it open to be interpreted by anyone.

Though there are other religions that have gods who are omnipotent, It doesn't make much of a difference to my thinking. All I'm saying is that physically a god wouldn't be changed just because nobody believes he exists, why would he?

By the way, do you have a specific religion in mind that doesn't have a omnipotent deity that is thought of as god? 
"... even if I was Muslim I would still capitalize god."  I guess you didn't read my parenthetical, or don't know what the three Abrahamic religions are? 

"do you have a specific religion in mind that doesn't have a omnipotent deity that is thought of as god?"  You're still assuming monotheism here, which is not a good assumption. 

I can name two currently practiced religions (Hinduism and Shinto) off the top of my head (three if you stretch things to include Buddhist philosophy), and three no longer extant (Norse, Greek, and Roman).  In every case, they have deities which they refer to (or which we translate) as "gods," none of which are omnipotent in the Biblical vein. 

I don't know enough about any of the African, South American, or Pacific Island religions to have any comment about them.  The Native American religions generally do not have omnipotent deities, but again, my knowledge of them is too sketchy for me to say anything conclusive.

The idea of an omnipotent, "all creating" deity was primarily a Mesopotamian/Bablylonian invention, with substantial cross-feed with Egypt.  It is a specific artifact of one single cultural tradition, not a necessary human belief structure.
Jehovah, please.

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theexternaldisk (author)  lemonie3 years ago
life of brain, I love that movie!

I don't think we can all agree any such thing.
noras3 years ago
god is god and if we dont belive in god.then we are the loser not god.cause god dont need us he creat us and leave us hf we believe we are the winner with heaven hf we donot believe in him so we whll lose the heaven and god will still be god
lemonie noras3 years ago
That was almost incomprehensible. You've missed the philosophical question here, as you're looking at winning & losing for some reason...?

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Terry Pratchett deals with the issue brilliantly in "Small Gods".
DJ Radio3 years ago
A really really angry deity. 
theexternaldisk (author)  DJ Radio3 years ago
"A deity[1] is a postulated preternatural or supernatural immortal being, who may be thought of asholy, divine, or sacred, held in high regard, and respected by believers, often called in some religions as a god."(wikipedia). It can't be a deity according to wikipedia, it needs believers for that.
It can still be really really angry though.
instructables.com/wiki/Sacred?

What!?!
PKM Kryptonite3 years ago
I was about to second that with "Instructables wiki? What is this I don't even"

Then I remembered the rich formatting comment control, and a quick experiment shows that copying text directly out of WP and pasting into a comment retains the links, but only as far as "wiki/NameOfThing".  Sad.

For future reference, if you want to avoid that, post text into Notepad or a plain text editor, then copy out of that and into the comment.
Kryptonite PKM3 years ago
Whoah. Trippy.

Nice explenation!
Alright look.  If you don't believe Apple exists, that doesn't mean it just doesn't exist.  If you believe that I don't exist, that doesn't mean I don't exist.  It just doesn't work like that.
It still exists, but it's not a deity.

That's like Katy Perry would still exist, but she wouldn't be famous.
Kiteman3 years ago
A small, slightly dazed tortoise.


Kiteman, you're awesome.  And unfortunately for God, I am an eagle.

Do you get the reference, though?
"And a minute later the tortoise finds the world dropping away from it.  And it sees the world for the first time, no longer one inch from the ground but five hundred feet above it, and it thinks: what a great friend I have in the eagle.

And then the eagle lets go."

-Terry Pratchett, Small Gods

I love Terry Pratchett.  I only discovered him a year or two ago, but I blew through all the Discworld books I could get my hands on as quick as possible.  Did you hear he's got Alzheimer's?  It's sad, my Grandpa went through that from when I was about 14 until I was 22.  Eight years of watching his mind slip away.  Knowing that you've got that in store for you must be terrifying.

Now that I've bummed everyone out, I'll shut up.
I've been reading him since the late 80s.

I have all his books, most hardback, many 1st Ed, most signed by Terry, Josh Kirby, Paul Kidby and a few by Stephen Briggs.


rhysc73 years ago
a watermellon
Joan Osborne?
.  For anyone interested, here's a link to the song.
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.  Did you hear about the dyslexic atheist? He didn't believe in Dog.
.  What if Dog was one of us?
-What if god was one of us- lol I get it.
She has a similar question.
Kryptonite3 years ago
Same as usual (what ever that is) , just less famous.

Or a lot, lot sadder.
lemonie3 years ago
Trees falling in woods...

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caitlinsdad3 years ago
Is that you, are you a god? Worried about losing your job in today's economy?
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