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hydrogen and oxygen made from water

I am holding a patent which mixes air with hydrogen to direct inject into a engine to run a car. I need to develop a small car engine along with a 3 wheel car which currently gets 75mpg on gasoline but I want to adapt this device to this small three wheel car to produce a "Water2FuelCar" which can be used for city commutes.

kelseymh2 years ago
If you already have the patent, can you provide the link to it? Your description is insufficient to provide assistance, or even to really know what it is you want assistance with.

If you are imagining using power from the engine to drive electrolysis for your hydrogen fuel supply, you are likely to run into difficulty actually using it. While it will function, you'll discover that the process sucks more power from the engine (reducing the fuel economy) than you get back by burning the hydrogen produced.
marksman954 (author)  kelseymh2 years ago
Dear Kelseymh, I have no problems and I am preparing the release of a three wheel car, which by just applying the Hydrogen Generator, is producing over 100 mpg but still reliant on Hydrogen supplied into the gasoline mix. This prototype car will sell for $8500, be in blue or red. The engine is able to reach max speed of 85 mph but cruise at 65 mph and again with over 100 mpg rates. I am now setting up Dealerships, throughout the USA, so when the launch occurs, everyone can make the order lists, for $1500 deposits. I expect to have 1000 sold in the first month. With gas prices at over $4 a gallon and cars selling for $25,000 for 40 mpg and over $35,000 for Electrics with limited range, these three wheel cars will sell in 100s at dealerships. Then the money revenue generated, will supply the need final prototype for hydrogen carburetor unit to be finalized and adapted to the cars, for a "Full Water Car Prototype Release" in a year. These cars will sell world wide for $15,000, with fuel being water only, financing in the USA, possible.
So what's the patent number ?
marksman954 (author)  steveastrouk2 years ago
I am not going to reveal it, I will tell you, we have the prototype car which will run only on water, enter the market with the car to specifically be sold to be warranted only if it is run on water. The maintenance for three years will be totally provide, just like BMW. Tires will have a road hazard policy and be totally insured as per that policy. The consumer will only have to drive the vehicle.

You wouldn't be "revealing" it. If it's a legitimate patent, it would be public record.

So why not supply the patent #? We'd all be interested in viewing it...

(How can we possibly help you design an engine--that was your original question--without knowing the most important piece of information about that engine?)
marksman954 (author)  gmoon2 years ago
you have the same abilities as I do to search the Data Base at the US Patent office,

do it, as I did.

I have downloaded three expired patents which all refer to the same process, building blocks towards a break through, which the DOE has surpressed.

Orthohydrogen molecules electrons travel at given speed and that speed current determines the amount of energy released.

What if we could excellerate the molecule electrons? What would be the increase in energy release at the time of ignition?
Ah--do not "hold a patent"--you've merely read some old patents.

If you've not already noticed, your rudeness has burned up any good will you might have garnered here.

Sure, there are folks here that confront "free energy" ideas with a great deal of skepticism. Some could be nicer about it--but but a certain fringe is so numerous, so persistent, so twitchy, that they've ceased to bother.

If you search (you have the same abilities as I do), you will uncover other websites that welcome energy conspiracy theorists. You'll find like-minded people there. You'll find few, if any, here.
AFAIK, in the USA, if you claim to have a patent, you HAVE to state the number. The old "Pat. Pending" scam has been killed off.
lemonie2 years ago
Tell us (more) about the patent then.
What problem(s) are you having?

L
marksman954 (author)  lemonie2 years ago
Dear Kelseymh,
I have no problems and I am preparing the release of a three wheel car, which by just applying the Hydrogen Generator, is producing over 100 mpg but still reliant on Hydrogen supplied into the gasoline mix. This prototype car will sell for $8500, be in blue or red. The engine is able to reach max speed of 85 mph but cruise at 65 mph and again with over 100 mpg rates. I am now setting up Dealerships, throughout the USA, so when the launch occurs, everyone can make the order lists, for $1500 deposits. I expect to have 1000 sold in the first month. With gas prices at over $4 a gallon and cars selling for $25,000 for 40 mpg and over $35,000 for Electrics with limited range, these three wheel cars will sell in 100s at dealerships.
Then the money revenue generated, will supply the need final prototype for hydrogen carburetor unit to be finalized and adapted to the cars, for a "Full Water Car Prototype Release" in a year. These cars will sell world wide for $15,000, with fuel being water only, financing in the USA, possible
If you haven't got an engine, how do you know the speed and fuel consumption?

How are you keeping the development of a whole new engine cheap enough to keep unit prices at $8500, without the production capabilities of an established manufacturer?

How have you come to your projected sales figures?

Why will international prices be so much higher?

What steps are you taking between a hydrogen-injection internal combustion engine, and an engine that runs on water?

If you can answer all the above, what are you doing asking for help on a DIY site??
marksman954 (author)  Kiteman2 years ago
what does these words on the home page mean

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I attempted to share and the members assumed I was asking for assistance.

I am not asking for assistance.
Since you're attempting the impossible (a car that runs in water), and gave no photos or links in the OP, then it is an obvious assumption that you want help.
marksman954 (author)  Kiteman2 years ago
Are you seriously writing me and telling me you feel my invention is an attempt for a Car which runs in Water?

OMG

Applied to motor boats and sailboats, in water. intake of water, converted to Hydrogen to fuel the engine and exhausted back into the water, no storage.

A Car which the fuel is Hydrogen produced from water electrolysis process and piped into the carburetor intake.

Please, try to read my writing.

MGC
May 2, 2012. 2:21 PM marksman954 (author) says:
I am not going to reveal it, I will tell you, we have the prototype car which will run only on water,


Why yes, we are telling you that we think your invention is "an attempt for a Car which runs on water", since that is what you yourself have said.

"Trying to read your writing" is like attempting to swim through rock. Your prose is turgid, impenetrable, and self-contradictory. Intentional or not, your writing exudes self-delusion, paranoia, and scientific absurdity.

A side mix of charlatanry is included as you simultaneously denigrate anyone who appears to disagree with your thesis, and then offer to let us "share" in your commercial venture by paying you money.
marksman954 (author)  kelseymh2 years ago
You are exactly right however my methods to find out information is not conventional. You are trying to pry into my information and I was trying to discover what those on this site think, what they feel and how is this thinking going to help or hurt, the introduction of a small car, manufactured in China, imported here, which is three wheels, max speed is 65 mph and 75 mpg modified, first to a HHO on Demand system to boost its mpg and then later changed completely to a water only for fuel vehicle, once the Orthohydrogen unit matched to the engine is perfected, tested and launch, nationwide, almost over night.
I am the person going to many social sites, testing the water.

I can only tell you that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, did not always get everything right. They did not have degrees and they were "Out of the Box" and so am I.

I will never conform and will never live up to your expectations however to give consideration to your views, is important to me.

However, you will not give your insights, as with someone of your degree level, you are intent to dig at my patent number, to find out where I have my prototype, to know everything there is to know about me, the machine and when you can view it.

I am not going about the release the same way as anyone else and frankly, I am totally financially secure, so I am not motivated by greed or by how much this car will make in capital. My only motivation is that it will compete with the 100% Electric Cars being released, the Leaf and the Mi! If it is lawful to have 100% Electric Cars which does not pay the 0.50 cent highway dollar in taxes off the gasoline then so is a Water Car, 100% run off Hydrogen, plus American produced.

Please, after this email, please stop asking me. Tell me what you know about the perfect means of creating a Electrolysis system to produce high grade OrthoHydrogen, cheaply and economically.

That is it, if you can not or will not do this, then we have nothing to speak about.

MGC
If your work really is patented, you can give out the number with impunity, because you have legal protection on your intellectual rights.

You need to decide if your car is "manufactured in China, imported here", or "American produced".

"Please, after this email, please stop asking me. Tell me what you know about the perfect means of creating a Electrolysis system to produce high grade OrthoHydrogen, cheaply and economically."

No.

You are demanding information of great commercial value to you, even though, if you are being honest about your patent, you already have this information.

I would question whether you even know what orthohydrogen actually is, as you appear to think that it can be manufactured in preference to parahydrogen.

marksman954 (author)  Kiteman2 years ago
Low freq Para'
High freq Ortho
Electrons move at a given speed
However particles have been sped up through patents
What if we push the element's electron speed, faster, will the amount of energy force be greater?
WooWoo!

It's not frequency, it's spin.

Electrons move at all sorts of speeds.

You speed particles up with every muscular twitch.

Patents are just pieces of paper.

Stringing scientific words together does not make you intelligent, educated, or even right.

Ta-ta, troll, go find your food elsewhere.
marksman954 (author)  Kiteman2 years ago
As with all useless PHDs, never more than exploiting your "New Found Knowledge" to place your "Supreme" authority on us "Mere Mortals".

I knew from your profile and your postings, once I researched you as an individual, you would either be a good guy or an "Axxxxle", people like you defind yourself with your actions, actions speak louder than words.

Are we finally finished, oh Great Master?
He also seems to think that electrolysis can produce nuclear spin alignment. I think Steve's right, and DNFTT applies to this crackpot.
I just like to make it clear to other readers that there is an unhealthy dose of paranoid crackpottedness involved in the author's scheme before I left him to stew.
lemonie Kiteman2 years ago
Yes, I figured out that the problems are in the guy's head a while ago.

L
What wonderful claptrap. Conspiracy theory, threats, obfuscation, and scientific nonsense.

If we are really lucky, you'll stop making absurd demands and threats, and instead do what you say you're going to do, which is stop posting and go away.
marksman954 (author)  kelseymh2 years ago
What EVER!
I am reading it, which is why I know what you are saying is impossible - where is the power to splt the water to come from?

If you say "batteries", then you'd get much greater efficiency by driving an electric motor directly.

If you say "from the engine powered by the hydrogen", then you just failed.

If you have to ask what it is you fail, then you fail again.

TANSTAAFL.
+1, WHERE does the energy to create the hydrogen come from.
marksman954 (author)  Kiteman2 years ago
It is not a whole new engine, it is a 2 cylinder, 32 hp engine which is used for a 3 wheel car. You can find the car, at www.snyder.com should you want to see the car. The car is sold for $7995, currently. It is a commuter car and gets about 75 mpg, with no modifications.

My invention was to be focused on sail boats and motor boats, since the boat is surrounded by water, no need to store water, an endless supply surrounds the boat while operating in the water.

Everyone, always asks, can it be placed on a car. A carburetor is a device which mixes air to a chemical which holds energy, gasoline, diesel or hydrogen. An adaption of this product could be placed on any engine, if the proper R&D was done first. I did not focus on cars, their is www.HHO2U.com which has a nice dry cell application already built for $199, which is just fine for now. Why, put myself in the "Spot Light" and be the wipping boy for every "NaySayer" in the USA, just because I have a patent describing a device which takes water and splits off the hydrogen to mix it with air to input into a engine so it can run?

I want to stop all this "NaySaying" action.

Please, do not bring this subject up and I will not speak of it again.

When I release my product, I am sure, some magazine or reporter will find a way to bring it to the Consumer News, but I will try to keep it secret, as long as possible.

MGC
I'm not kelseymh
If you have no problems, for what reason did you post this topic?

L
marksman954 (author)  lemonie2 years ago
I must say that this web site is not about DIY inventors discussing their finished inventions, it is about giving away, all the secrets to creating the invention to those who are DIY inventors.

I am so sorry, for ever talking about a small patent about which is my invention to produce Hydrogen to mix air with it and input it into simple 4 cylinder engines. My application, was in sail boats and motor boats, which are surrounded by water. However, everyone said, can it be adapted for cars, well I guess it could but I did not want the focus from the Fuel Companies or the American who want to tear down all possible solutions to fossil fuel.

I am sorry to have ever brought this subject here.

Please do not respond to me and I will never bring this subject up again.


Thank you,
Marksman954
You've got a few problems in your head; you want to sort them out.

I didn't understand what you were asking so I was asking questions to find out.
You said "I need to develop a small car engine"; if you have a need there is an implication that you are asking for something.

L
Hi, Lemonie. I think the user might have been hit by the "double posting bounce" bug. He posted the identical reply to my comment (see below), and may have intended to reply differently to you.
Thing is, the BEST conversion efficiency for a hydrogen cell is about 80% efficient, but that doesn't account for where the energy to drive the cell comes from, so a typical total efficiency is around 40%. Tanstaafl.
marksman954 (author)  steveastrouk2 years ago
That is exactly right but what if?

There was a way to increase the speed of the electrons of the orthohydrogen molecule, so that the energy release is greater?

We would need a way to push the molecules, to push their speed faster and increase the results of the energy release!

It has been done, there is a patent, to do just that.