so you're also saying that nonreligious people have the right to say there is no god?

Do you remember last year when you didn't have a cross? That would have been a good time to start finding out how to make one for the following year.
See if you can find carpenters/joiners/woodsmiths in the phone book and ask for quotes.

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Got one! Thank you! My pastor built one.

I saw a cross in the village, I don;t know who they were going to crucify on it, so I guess that it was just symbolism...

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Um, I don't mean to be disrespectful...and I've never built/made/used a cross before, but surely you can just, well, nail 2 pieces of wood together?

Seems legit to me. As far as i know there are no special rules on how crosses are made, as long as they look like a cross and are treated with respect. I've seen them made from things from PVC to brick.

Our town had a Good Friday procession, with somebody carrying a full-size wooden cross.

I couldn't help but notice that is was held together with a single large bolt through the centre - I'm guessing it allowed the horizontal part to be turned through 90 degrees for storage.

If you nail a person to it I guess that their body holds it perpendicular?

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make a really great instructable that would convert a lot of people.
Sorry but that just sounds as if converting people into christianity is a really good thing. As if people who aren't christian don't understand anything about christianity & need "help" and "support"

You're very right, DSMAN! We have plenty of procedural I'bles. Some of them (How to thank Instructables, How to deal with harassment, Goodhart's T-Shirt) are among the best (and most "Christian," if you have to apply a discriminatory label) of anything on the site.

How are those "christian" Ibles? If its because the instructable has good morals or whatever, it doesnt mean it is christian.

Did you read the second half of my parenthetical? That was the point.

What to do, what to do? Hmmmm....I've got a couple of really long 4x4's and these antique square nails. If I only had a hammer....

Actually, i was thinking of doing a paper origami cross, this would easily fit on this website, and be Christian based, also, alot of projects like the 'How to thanks instructables' share a Christian moral standpoint of giving. Also, both reviving old topics and hating on religious people will do nothing but annoy people..

...share a Christian moral standpoint of giving...
Ah, so giving is a Christian value. Of course. Because without Christianity, we would all just go around raping, killing, and pillaging.

Ummm...No.

Theologically, christian morality, and Christianity can be very different. By morally christian, i am saying morally like jesus, and, if you actually read the bible, whether you consider it fiction or not, the charictor of jesus symbolizes a 'morally perfect human'

But if you mean morally like Jesus, why couldn't we use a different religions' character for the term? Morally like Horus?

I recently saw a documentary suggested Jesus was actually Horus. Much like Christianity has adopted pagan rituals and custom, the figure Horus was adopted from Egyptian mythology (there are a number of similarities). I am not saying this to be controversial, or to offend anyone, I'm just saying that there is a documentary about this theory

Are you sure it said Jesus actuallly was Horus, or rather that Jesus was derived from Horus.

I think derived, would be a better term, thanks, though documentary probably explains it better then I can. Its called The Pagan Christ.

Ah. It's also in "Zeitgeist".

Well, jesus is the figure that i, and most people are familiar with. Im not sure who horus is. It would seem your looking for an argument.. i will not entertain such stupidity.

Egyptian god or Goa'uld System Lord (deceased, ko'ed by SG-1), take your pick.

I am not looking for an argument, and am terribly sorry that you interpret an argument, debate, or me (not sure what you meant by the last line) as stupid.

sure.. ok Apology accepted

Jake, I agree with Stake's underlying argument here. The statement you actually made,

alot of projects like the 'How to thanks instructables' share a Christian moral standpoint of giving.

certainly gives the appearances of divisiveness and discrimination. On it's face, it clearly presumes that only Christians have a "moral standpoint". That is unfair and inaccurate.

Not at all, i guess it is a PC term that we use over here, essentially, its a way of saying that a person believes and follows all the christian models that underlay our society through a history of a mainly christian society. eg, alot of handed down values stemming from christianity. also note, that i didn't specify it as the only standpoint, and that project shared the set of moral guidelines. Also, this is a clear reminder of why religious conversing is better reserved for a chatroom, or real life situation.

Without being PC, I would like to remind you that making a claim like "our society through a history of a mainly christian society" excludes a majority of the population, and definitely excludes a number of I'bles members.

Derinsleep, in Turkey, would probably not describe his "our society" as "mainly Christian." Neither Indians nor Chinese would describe their "our society" as "mainly Christian." I don't think Israelis would describe their "our society" as "mainly Christian."

Just something to keep in mind when generalizing from your personal experience.

Agreed, but i did clarify earlier about it being what me and my kinsmen are familiar with. Essentially explaining the original comment by relating it to my personal culture.

I heartily agree with your last point, Jake :-)

Do you understand my other longer point about history and Christianity's big part in the development of our current culture?

Yes, I certainly understand and agree with the Christian background of your and my culture. Although I'd point out that my current culture (perhaps less than yours, I don't know enough about English history) includes a substantial contribution from Jewish morality

Now, i wish i was able to explain things like that in one comment...

Truth is, the community is that 'tight' on here, i often forget that people are on the otherside of the world.
_{^{I don't sleep normal times, so the time zones go out the window..}}

It's more "expresses the value of giving thanks, a value which, coincidentally, is shared by Christianity (amongst other theological positions)" ;-)

Agreed, but also see my response to skate, which explains it better.

Thank you so very much for bringing this topic back up.

If your so against it, WHY DID YOU REVIVE THIS TOPIC???

blugyblug didn't revive the topic. "A good name" did (Jan 31), which started a short discussion between him(?) and Skunkbait.

ohh. oops. sorry blugyblug.

This topic was like, 5th on the Life page.

. "All we are saying is 'give Peace a chance'" ;)

Or "piece"? L

. heehee That would be more appropriate.
. But I'm guessing 99+% of the K'nex Krew won't catch the reference either way. Damn whipper-snappers!

_{or peas}

. Visualize Whirled Peas ;)

The following is what I was thinking of:

Give Peas a Chance...

. LOL

Huh. I'm sorry that you've had that experience; it doesn't match with mine. On the contrary, I've had the experience (repeatedly) of fundamentalist/evangelical Christians getting really aggressive when I don't share their beliefs. A definite lack of understanding of Christ's gospel of tolerance.

That group hasn't had any i'bles.

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exactly.

I did the "Learn Greek..." Instructable without trying to offer a Christian Instructable. It is structured so those who want to spend only a little effort can reap some good benefits. Those who want to make a much larger commitment in time and effort can do that, too. I have another Instructable that is quite Christian. It is titled "Cut Nail Pectoral or Wall Cross." To my surprise it now has almost 600 views.

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas!

^{(this is starting to sound like the beginning of "christmas canon" by trans siberian orchestra...)}

why thank you!

Happy (belated) Christmas!

The ible was made, there was a lot of argument, and it was unpublished. All that remains is this thread, which will keep occasionally resurfacing to haunt us until dsman eventually deletes it.

it wouldn't "haunt" you if you hadn't gotten involved. Just sayin'.

I'm sorry, I'm about as good at checking dates on comments as my grandma is with checking dates on food.

^{Ugh, that chicken was awful...}

Ehhhh!

I hate when that happens!

_{Ever chugged lumpy milk?}

Yum ! Liquid sour cream LOL

Gross...

I bet you ten cents that my brother would eat it!

_{He probally would mistake it for melted butter}

nom nom nom nom nom nom nom there we go! ..... ......... OH, THAT'S NASTY!!!! WHAT WAS THAT?!?!?!?

XD Yep that's him

I'm a born comedian.

Isn't if funny that we throw away soured milk, and then go buy cheese LOL or sour cream :-)

no, because cheese is different becaus- oh, a joke. sorry. :) *sheepish grin*

Cottage cheese isn't much different ;-) soured milk, with the curds seperated and washed....yeah, it is a bit of a joke :-)

why has everyone suddenly changed their profile pictures to puppets?

LOL That Reminds me: Did you know that milk companies throw chocolate in their almost spoiled milk to make it last longer... XP

That would be horrible for those deathly allergic to chocolate

I don't think it would work, so therefore I don't think it happens.

I hadn't looked it up so I don't know, but the alkalines used in chocolate making could have a preservative effect.....or not :-)

hee hee

Well, they then change it to chocolate milk... so i am always cautious when drinking chocolate milk... But that would be terrible!

And to think, all those years I was chugging Yahoo's LOL

I don't buy it pre-made anymore for sure.

Totally After my teacher told me about that, i have never bought pre-made chocolate milk again

no, but said chicken patty was first eaten by my brother. then, he almost puked and told my grandma. she then proceeded to try to eat it. she said it was fine, so I was left as a tie breaker. imagine this: some guy sees dog poop. so he decides to add cheese cultures to it, let it steep for a week, whiz on it, freeze it and sell it to my grandma as chicken.

Ewwww!

_{and were having chicken tonight :(}

I'm sorry. but remember, it wasn't chicken. it couldn't have been.

Well luckily the chicken wasn't deep fried, so i was fine

I was talking about my chicken. My grandma's chicken couldn't have possibly been chicken.

Haunting is an objective measure, independent of the reader. This is a forum topic which no longer has any concrete project connected to it. You could call it an "orphan" if supernatural metaphors offend your sensibilities.

cough* delete plz *cough