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mags/clips

I've been reading around and i am kind of annoyed how people call magazine " clips " ( also notice how most people calling it clips are either little kids or just plain old " noobs" ) Here is a picture to show you the difference and to correct future mistakes ( pic from evike forum )

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barrax says: Feb 6, 2009. 7:41 AM
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knexpert1 in reply to barraxSep 1, 2009. 9:28 AM
hehe funny
barrax in reply to knexpert1Sep 1, 2009. 12:16 PM
funny and true!
knexpert1 in reply to barraxSep 7, 2009. 11:59 AM
yeah
sprout_less in reply to barraxAug 29, 2009. 4:17 PM
i do
knex man123456 in reply to sprout_lessDec 8, 2009. 4:07 PM
you suck

DJ Radio in reply to barraxMar 16, 2009. 1:40 PM
yeah i dont.
barrax in reply to DJ RadioMar 17, 2009. 2:31 AM
thank god, theres someone cool around here!
knexguy in reply to barraxMar 17, 2009. 11:31 AM
So I'm not? I really don't care if I'm percieved as 'cool' (at least not on the internet), so meh.
knexpert1 in reply to knexguySep 1, 2009. 9:28 AM
whooohooo yhe who ####### cares
barrax in reply to knexguyMar 17, 2009. 1:27 PM
lol. i never said you weren't cool, its just you care about something that really makes no difference, you care about what other random people from around the world call a certain piece of equipment. lol, that was the most nerdiest way to say that. Me - not cool.
TheDunkis in reply to barraxMar 18, 2009. 9:47 AM
It does make a difference because they are two different objects. Is it alright to mix up pen and pencil? It's like you don't know grammar. It's just as annoying as people who don't know the difference between there, their, and they're. And from what I've seen people who say it doesn't matter are those who don't know the difference in the first place.
The Jamalam in reply to TheDunkisAug 29, 2009. 8:07 AM
Lets face it, how many clips are there on the site anyway? It is annoying, but you have to excuse mistakes. Many k'nexers are 10 or under (Flie-ing-Goose was 8 I think) so they are a bit too... immature to want to look things up.
TheDunkis in reply to The JamalamAug 29, 2009. 9:33 AM
Depending on how loosely you are willing to call something a clip. You're one to talk about maturity with the whole "Hey lets bash KI" message you spread. A 5 year old knows the different between a pen and a pencil, no? He can tell the difference between a clip and a magazine if you tell him the difference. It's not a hard concept to grasp. The most general way you could put it is that a clip loads the magazine. The magazine loads the gun. Sometimes you don't need a clip to load the magazine as the magazine has ammo in it already.
DJ Radio in reply to TheDunkisAug 29, 2009. 10:31 AM
I dont think anyone just cares except for the person who posted this topic, and you. I just say clips because its tighter and more catchy.
The Jamalam in reply to TheDunkisAug 29, 2009. 9:40 AM
That "Hey, let's bash KI" message is an in joke with me and Dj. As for the 5 year old thing, honestly if they don't know it now, then telling them won't make much difference for now.
Dutchj in reply to barraxMar 17, 2009. 8:23 AM
*cough*
barrax in reply to DutchjMar 17, 2009. 1:27 PM
do you care about this?
Dutchj in reply to barraxMar 17, 2009. 10:45 PM
Not excessively, I don't mind but I prefer to use the correct term myself.
barrax in reply to DutchjMar 18, 2009. 3:56 AM
yeah. i see where your coming from.
knexguy in reply to barraxMar 16, 2009. 12:02 PM
I do :)
barrax in reply to knexguyMar 16, 2009. 12:46 PM
oh, come on, the worlds gonna end if we dont get this right! really guys, it doesn't matter
okoshima in reply to knexguyMar 16, 2009. 12:36 PM
me too
dsman195276 says: Feb 5, 2009. 6:13 PM
to avoid any more confusion(and have a reason to yell at people for calling the the wrong thing) i am going to go on and on about how mags are not clips: 1. what a magazine is: a magi zine is just defined as a ammo holder. a box of ammo could be a magazine. a magazine does not need to feed ammo. a magazine can be fixed or removable. most are fixed, and very few guns use a removable mag(were talking about real guns here). the big distinguisher between a removable mag and a clip is that mag fed guns can be breach loaded/muzzle loaded etc. with out the mag in the gun. 2. what a clip is: a clip has a more exact difinition, a clip holds and loads ammo, and has to be removable. the big reason it has to be removable is because that is the only way to load the gun(unlike how you could load a mag by breach loading or using a stripper clip, but we will get into that later). clips have a part of the gun on them(the breach) making the gun unfireable and useless with out the clip(real guns need the breach because it makes a complete seal for the air pressure that fires the gun). clips also fit into the mag on a gun(like i said, mags only need to hold ammo). the best way to understand this is with the m1 garand clip(second one down in clip section of pic). the m1 garand could not be breach loaded, or muzzle loaded. only loaded by the en-bloc-clip(i know i butchered that name). now some people say that you could load a round into the clip when it was in the gun, but it was still loading the clip, not the breach. 3. what a stripper clip is: (first one in clip section of picture). A STRIPPER CLIP IS NOT A CLIP. that is where most people get confused. a stripper clip loads rounds into the mag, and is not a real clip(i think the name comes from how the ammo clips onto the strip.) 4. why so many people get confused: most say it originated all the way back to when the M1 garand was used, and people mistook the en-bloc-clip for a mag(nobody called it by it's real name) and if you said hand me another clip, people take it as hand me another mag, and the same is true the other way around. 5. other things i noticed: in your picture on the mag section, the first two look like pistol clips,but i can't say for sure because i don't know what pistol it goes to(some can be loaded with out the mag, and some need the clip). there are no real clips for knex, and never will be. the main flaw is that knex can always be muzzle and breach loaded when there is no mag present. well there you go, now if any body calls a mag a clip again, just direct them here.
DJ Radio in reply to dsman195276Mar 16, 2009. 1:39 PM
well, someone can easily make a knex gun that is very hard with normal hands to be breech/muzzle loaded without a clip.
jollex in reply to dsman195276Feb 5, 2009. 11:48 PM
My SCAST can't be muzzle loaded without a mag.
DJ Radio in reply to jollexMar 20, 2009. 3:13 PM
any gun with a fake barrel cant be muzzle loaded.
yerjoking in reply to DJ RadioMar 20, 2009. 4:20 PM
His SCAST has no fake barrel.
DJ Radio in reply to yerjokingMar 20, 2009. 4:27 PM
I thought it did. well either way, any gun with a fake barrel cant be muzzle loaded. with his gun too.
yerjoking in reply to DJ RadioMar 20, 2009. 5:12 PM
DD-27 had a section of barrel that was fake.
DJ Radio in reply to yerjokingMar 21, 2009. 7:17 AM
its wider than normal fake barrels though, and it shoots gray rods.
yerjoking in reply to DJ RadioMar 21, 2009. 7:25 AM
That statement contradicts your previous one. "well either way, any gun with a fake barrel cant be muzzle loaded. with his gun too"
DJ Radio in reply to yerjokingMar 21, 2009. 1:58 PM
I forgot the DD-27 had a fake barrel.
TheDunkis in reply to DJ RadioMar 21, 2009. 2:07 PM
By what it seems your def of fake barrel is very undefined. A fake barrel is simply a section of a gun that the bullet travels through without touching or in some cases it's a mock barrel for replicas and such. You could stick two connectors on the end of a tube gun and call that a fake barrel.
DJ Radio in reply to TheDunkisMar 21, 2009. 2:46 PM
i know a fake barrel is that.
Katarukito (author) in reply to dsman195276Feb 5, 2009. 7:35 PM
It's not my picture so i wouldn't know either.
TheDunkis in reply to dsman195276Feb 5, 2009. 6:27 PM
To put it simply and correct enough for knex guns magazines load the gun along with storing ammo and clips only hold the ammo. I know it's more specific but that's all we really need to say. Sometimes a magazine's capacity is called it's clip size which really doesn't bother me but yeah otherwise I hate when they two terms get mixed up.
dsman195276 in reply to TheDunkisFeb 6, 2009. 3:43 AM
actually, to be correct it should be the other way around.
TheDunkis in reply to dsman195276Feb 6, 2009. 5:35 AM
The defining difference between clips and magazines is the presence of a feed mechanism in a magazine

Pretty much what I said.
dsman195276 in reply to TheDunkisFeb 6, 2009. 1:07 PM
a feeding mech is in both a mag and a clip, but it does not need to be in the mag.
TheDunkis in reply to dsman195276Feb 6, 2009. 4:53 PM
Where is your source that states this? Site after site most will say the main difference is that clips don't feel themselves them simply hold the ammo and the magazine will feed the ammo.
dsman195276 in reply to TheDunkisFeb 7, 2009. 9:16 AM
you must have read something wrong then, because i have seen that said on every site i have been to.
TheDunkis in reply to dsman195276Feb 7, 2009. 10:13 AM
Lol then you're reading it wrong I'll provide three sources to back me up.

Simply put, a magazine is a container in which ammunition is stored, whilst a clip is a small piece of metal which holds rounds in place whilst outside the magazine, and sometimes within the magazine as well.
http://everything2.com/node/1323705

In small arms terms magazine usually refers to a box, drum or tube with a spring inside to help feed the rounds. Magazines can be a fixed part of the weapon, or detachable. Most detachable magazines can be removed and replaced with a full one to reload the weapon, but there are guns such as the Lee Enfield where the magazine is only removed for cleaning, and is refilled by a different mechanism. (more of this in a moment).

The ammo Clip was invented in 1885 by Mannlicher and provided a way to place a full load of rounds into a magazine in one action
http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/clip.html

Clip: A device for holding cartridges together, usually to facilitate loading. Widely used as a synonym for "magazine" (although most firearm authorities consider this substandard usage). Technically, a magazine has a feeding spring, a clip does not.
http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html
Oompa-Loompa says: Feb 5, 2009. 7:10 PM
Does the difference even matter? I think this shouldn't even be an argument
heat-seeker in reply to Oompa-LoompaMar 16, 2009. 12:40 PM
good point, well made
I_am_Canadian in reply to Oompa-LoompaFeb 6, 2009. 7:21 AM
I love the way you think.
Oompa-Loompa in reply to I_am_CanadianFeb 6, 2009. 12:13 PM
II wanted my own I Am Canadian inspirational comment.
I_am_Canadian in reply to Oompa-LoompaFeb 6, 2009. 3:02 PM
:-D
heat-seeker says: Mar 16, 2009. 12:38 PM
ah i did not seem to know
Mepain says: Feb 6, 2009. 1:00 PM
Does it really matter? We built toy guns, not real guns. We don't need to be that specific.

It's like trying to use the definition for a real semi auto for a knex gun, it's just not possible, so we simplify the definition.

Not that K'nex clips aren't possible, but K'nex guns are toys. Toys.
Katarukito (author) in reply to MepainFeb 6, 2009. 3:38 PM
Airsoft is a toy gun , yet i got the picture from an airsoft forum - which takes their defintions seriously.
Mepain in reply to KatarukitoFeb 6, 2009. 5:02 PM
K'nex isn't anywhere near as serious as airsoft. Airsoft is mil-sim. K'nex isn't, nor can it be.
Katarukito (author) in reply to MepainFeb 6, 2009. 5:30 PM
I don't milsim but i get annoyed when people call it clips.
TheDunkis in reply to KatarukitoFeb 6, 2009. 7:18 PM
Yeah ditto. People say "who cares" but it's just like people mixing up they're, there, and their. They're annoying because here and there they mix up the spelling of their words. I don't think it's argument worthy but like grammar this has terms with specific meanings and so they should be used properly.
oodalumps in reply to TheDunkisFeb 6, 2009. 8:22 PM
For once, I agree with something you said.
knexguy in reply to oodalumpsMar 16, 2009. 12:02 PM
Lol.
TheDunkis in reply to oodalumpsFeb 7, 2009. 7:15 AM
Well thank you.
The Jamalam says: Feb 16, 2009. 6:38 AM
Does it even matter? In the world of k'nex guns, a clip is removable, a mag is permanent. It's like we call all guns that fire at the pull of a trigger semi automatic, except none of them are reloaded/cocked by the release of compressed gas.
Katarukito (author) in reply to The JamalamFeb 16, 2009. 8:05 AM
Yes it matters , even though we call knex semi auto even though it can be wrong , we should atleast call magazines/clips by their proper name and it's not even that hard.
The Jamalam in reply to KatarukitoFeb 16, 2009. 8:20 AM
why should it be different? And show me a true knex clip then.
TheDunkis in reply to The JamalamFeb 16, 2009. 9:09 AM
I have an idea for a real knex clip as the gun won't work without it. I repeat not using the correct terms for this is like not using correct grammar. Do you get mad when people spell your name wrong? What if they didn't care how it was spelt don't you still care? Same thing goes for this.
The Jamalam in reply to TheDunkisFeb 16, 2009. 10:17 AM
No, not really. This is my name. This is a concept that is applying to all knexers on the site.
TheDunkis in reply to The JamalamFeb 16, 2009. 11:06 AM
Your name is your name. Magazine is the name for a magazine and clip is the name for a clip so they should be used properly but I'm not goign to bother anymore we're not really doing any good by arguing.
oodalumps says: Feb 6, 2009. 8:26 AM
I care.
knexguy says: Feb 6, 2009. 3:56 AM
Thank you so much, however I doubt the noobs who post comments like the ones you refer to even know what a forum is, let alone read the comments on it.
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