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I guess that was up to the staff wasn't it. I'm still typing this aren't I.

Yes, because despite your project experience, they've set the bar very high for member banning. It really takes a lot of effort on your part with few exceptions for special cases.

they wouldn't lose much from booting me
you're a contributing member -- web2.0 counts on members like you ;) In any case, removing a member for mildly sour internal press can end up being very bad. You don't seem like the type of person that would hold a grudge against it - but some people have too much time on their hands allocated to retaliation :/

Yes, we all at one point or another feel impatient and annoyed at certain things that occur. I guess what everyone is trying to say, is just to control your emotions.

BTW, do you think it's a conspiracy against you ???????? =o)

Watch out for those "spiders", they're the worst.

I tried being nice to you, I tried helping you, but it seems you were too "busy" to take notice.

If I was doing Noah's job, then an attitude like that would have guaranteed the Instructable did not get published. As it is, I wash my hands of you - if you don't like sticking to the consensus-approved format here, then why not publish elsewhere, if you're not too busy, that is.

. ROFLMAO Well, Kiteman, looks as if neither the Good Cop nor the Bad Cop can get through to this guy. Don't you need a cup of coffee, right about now?

Don't you mean a cup o' tea?

No, definitely coffee. Black and strong. (I'll eventually get round to writing an 'ible for my favourite recipe)

(Sidles out of room, pretending to look for change)

but I don't like ideas being kept from the public because one particular individual doesn't understand it

It wasn't an individual ;) Note the elusive "filters" in the admin post ;) An individual just happened to make the initial response to let you know what happened ;) It could have been just as easy to make it automated so there's no human contact from the beginning - but that's not what instructables has done (yet) :/

Noahw's a good guy - he doesn't have a vendetta against any particular member... That bit just goes with the job. If you posted this a few months ago during summer time, I would be the one you would be annoyed with ;)

In any case, I'll put my money on the pictures (lack of and quality) as for why this didn't go public immediatly -- perhaps formatting too... From past experience, hand drawn pictures aren't accepted very well (notice how many new projects use hand drawn pictures - just because you don't see them doesn't mean people don't try) - the idea is to lower the amount of flak a project receives. It's known bad comments come from that scenario, so the bar is raised to just above that. For formatting, it really needs to fit the format structure already setup - otherwise the instructables concept doesn't work as well.

Leaving notes on yet another pen gun with pictures hand drawn in paint (with a plethora of hilarious excuses of why their digital camera doesn't work or why they can't collaborate to get pictures).... Truly not the highlight of my summer (but at least it didn't take long to sort out) :D

This site polices itself quite well
Yeah, with an iron fist too -- and then admins are dealing with pissing contests between members.... It's funny dealing with that sort of thing for about a day or until the 40 post deep personal attack slug fest...

> none of the admin's bulleted points are violated . According to Noah's response (in your pic above), he DID send you an explanation. "I left you a customized message ..." . > If I hurt your ears by including the 'h' word . I have absolutely no problem with "the 'h' word" (or any other word in a private communication) - it was your abusive tone towards someone trying to do you a favor. . Speaking of private communications: posting a private message in a public forum, without all parties' approval, is pretty high on my list of unethical things to do. . > my perfectly reasonable argument . I disagree, but that's just my opinion. . > Noah actually took it quite well . That's the understatement of the year! I hope Noah's boss realizes how lucky he/she is. . > but I don't like ideas being kept from the public because one particular individual doesn't understand it. . But you have no right to be published here (or anywhere else, unless you're footing the bill). Ibles can publish (or not) whatever they want, whenever they want, and without giving thought to whether you, me, or anybody else likes it. They may consider my remarks to you to be a violation of the "be nice" policy and delete it before I hit Post. That is their right and privilege and if I don't like it, I can go somewhere else. . > If it had been allowed to be published and someone asked a question . Apparently, Ibles preferred for you to make the changes before members had to point it out. . > This site polices itself quite well . And a lot of the reason for that is the Man Behind The Curtain. He makes sure everything is up to Ibles' standards. . > I don't think we need an individual arbiter . Doesn't really matter what you (or anyone else, including myself) think. . > Thank you ... . You are most ... oh, wait a minute! That's was sarcasm, wasn't it? . > I can only strive to achieve what you have . It's not that hard. Just don't give ppl grief when they don't deserve it. . . Whew! That was rather cathartic.

To a degree, I am helping to 'foot the bill'.

You "pay them out of your pocket to be here"? If not, then "you" are not footing any bill.

I am here of my own free will and do not pay. If I ever get time to publish an instructable, and I hope to soon, it will again be something I want to do. The payment I get will be the satisfaction that I have helped someone with some knowledge. Something I enjoy doing without having to pay for the privilege.

And guess what that money is used for...

Besides, you are not helping to foot the bill. You are using the services that instructables provides for free. Viewing the advertisements that help pay for what you consume is simply the least you can do to thank them for providing this website. And based on the fact that instructables is not yet profitable, I doubt you are even paying for the bandwidth that you use.

ok then, let's take it that way. Figure out how many page views youre responsible for, and how many page views instructables has gotten. Now add however many page views being part of the staff counts for, and multiply it by how many staff members there are. Figure out what percent of it all you're responsible for, compared to what percent noahw is responsible for...that's how much your opinion can count for...is that fair?

You expressed my thoughts much more clearly than I did, thanks.

Any time =]

Foot the bill: To pay the bill which we do nothing of the kind. The advertisers do, but your analogy is skewed. It is removed to a 3rd degree of separation and that is hardly an argument at all. It is similar to saying that, because you were "available" to be robbed, if you are robbed, it must by "you" that is at fault.

Then that is not removed to the third degree, but the fourth.

And a lot of the reason for that is the Man Behind The Curtain. He makes sure everything is up to Ibles' standards.

Hey now, it's no man - it's Robot! Imagine what Oz would have been like with Robot at the helm :p

. Oops! My mistake. LOL

And if he'd been a little patient, he'd have seen the 'ible get published without the "offending" messages which he has now preserved for all to see...