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Congrats to all the winners! RobHopless, the Grand Prize was deserved and your entry was very fitting for the contest. Thanks to instructables, Epilog and all the people who participated, lotsa fun and suspense.
Hey Instructables Judges. You sure do know how to build the suspense don't you! Every time I think we're finally going to get to see who won, you push the deadline back another day!!! Your killing me here!
At least we can feel good about knowing they care enough to take the time to do it right. Much preferred to just randomly picking winners to rush and meet a deadline.
Curiously enough... Does someone usually post here to notify when the winners will be announced, or is it usually a surprise thing after the judging ends? Sorry to any instructables staff if this is obnoxious. I feel like a kid at christmas time waiting to see if I got what I asked for.
Seriously excited about being a finalist. I'm not anticipating winning but man would I get an insane amount of use out of this machine. I currently pay to have laser cutting done all the time. Something of this value should be shared and if I have the honor of winning this machine I would love to make it available to all my fellow prop builders as much as possible. The more the community shares the more it grows and I think that's really what Instructibles is all about. Regardless of the outcome, thanks Instructibles for making these amazing contests available to the community. I know we all appreciate the opportunity to participate.
I am surprised you have not posted any of your other cool projects on here. I can not wait to see the other ones on your site if you have build photos.
Thanks, I probably won't go back to an previous projects due to their incomplete documentation but I am planning on posting all my projects going forward. So much of what I know I have learned from studying other peoples work. And it seems only right to try and share that knowledge and experience with everyone else.
I don't understand... I got more views than several of these instructables WITHOUT being added on hackaday, gizmodo, or any of those other websites... I could say the same thing about other instructables too.
Your assuming that your number of votes is directly related to the number of views which is not really the case. There are in fact over 20 instructables with 30,000+ views that also aren't finalists. While you do in fact have a better chance of getting more votes as your views go up, that does not guarantee added votes. It all comes down to whether or not people thought highly enough of your instructable to vote for it when comparing it to other entries. Just some food for thought.
I agree it would be nice to know. But at the same time I wonder if that would influence a lot of people to simply sort by number of votes and just vote for ones that have already gotten a large number of votes. I think with out being to see it encourages people to give their attention more evenly... But at the same time the compulsive number-of-views checking side of me just really wants to know how many votes I am getting.
Good luck to the finalists! Wow, never thought I'd make it this far, but am very proud of my build. Congratulations to whoever of us wins! If I win I completely plan to open up the laser to the local area to use, especially the high school robotics team I mentor.
We all know someone can get a ton of votes from family and friends even though their ible doesn't merit votes. This is why it's good that the moderators choose half. If the moderators chose all of the finalists, the conspiracy theorists would cry foul. That's why it's good that visitors to the site can vote.
As far as being featured, that might be a legitimate beef, but this website is a business and they have to keep it interesting.
Regarding voting time, I like the way they do it now because everyone CAN get equal viewing time. If you have voting at the end, people do like they have in the past and wait to enter at the last possible second. That way, their entry is on the front page of the contest entries. They do this because hardly anyone is going to sift through several pages of entries before they make votes. So, under the old system, I think earlier entries were at a disadvantage.
I think the way they do it makes it interesting and it is obvious that they can't make everyone happy. Just enjoy the fact there are contests. When those of you who don't like the system start awarding prizes, you can do it the way you want. My $.02.
The biggest problem I see with the contest is the lack of public visibility in the judging process. You can not even see how many votes any of the entries received, let alone how any were actually judged on the "Criteria" that was set up in the "Rules". According to the rules the judges actually choose all of the finalists with 49% of there decision based on the votes, not 49% of the finalist being chosen by the votes.
Please explain how everyone can get equal viewing time. As I remember the voting was open for the entire length of the contest plus 3 days. The rules say "Voting Period. Prior to the Deadline and for three (3) days after the Deadline".
But who knows as they do not follow their own Rules, they only chose 17 finalist when the rules say there will be 28.
It would appear that the people at Instructables may have their favorite picked out before judging takes place. I know a lot of the finalists were featured on the front page of the web site before judging took place.
This gives the featured entry more visibility with the possibility of more votes. Even though the votes was only 49% of the judging to pick the finalists it could still influence the judges. I would think that to be completely fair no contest entry could be a featured instructable. Also the rules state that 28 finalists will be chosen, I only count 17. Am I missing something?
I've been wondering this myself. My main concern is with the voting period. If you get in on day 1 you can collect way more votes than someone who enters in one of the final days. I think voting should start when the contest is closed. Or give each entry an equal number of days to collect votes, say 5.
With regard to not allowing featured instructables, that would rule out the majority of the quality instructables.... But I do understand where you are coming from. The day my instructable got on the front page I got 10x the traffic
There does seem to be a lot of inequalities in the judging process and the fact that only 17 finalists were chosen, when the rules very plainly say there will be 28, seems odd.
I personally think there should be no user voting at all, and instead there should simply be a system of points based on specific criteria. All the judges should have to fill out the points in each category for every entry and the totals would determine finalists. It's far too vague right now as to how things are judged. I don't think people should have to pander to viewers for contest votes. The finalists should be determined based purely on the instructables merit, not on views - and I say that as one who often gets featured and receives quite a few views.
I also don't want people to think that I'm saying that the finalists in this contest don't deserve their place, I think the finalists are great. I just think it would allow much more clarity if we could all go back and see how our instructables were rated by the judges, and what aspects were scored poorly that would need improving for the next contest.
I would agree that there should be no user voting, and that the judging process should be more open. Also all entrants should have there scores shown for all of (the "Criteria"): originality, usefulness, simplicity, and clarity of instructions. Each Criteria should have it's score shown. I would really like to see the scores for "simplicity" that these finalists got, also the "usefulness" score would be interesting. The technological know how displayed in some of these is outstanding but simple they are not.
Did you wonder what happened to the other 11 finalist? The rules say there will be 28, but only 17 were chosen.
You may be missing that there were more than 17 on the first day these were posted. That same day they must have "narrowed" it down to these 17. If it makes him/her feel any better (which it may or may not), I believe Mr (Ms?) Inducktion's Instructable was one of those. It was a finalist for a bit, but now it is not.
I hope this helps with at least one of your concerns. The others, I'm afraid, I have insufficient knowledge to address.
Hrm. That still doesn't make sense why there's only 17 finalists. But, that does make me feel a bit better about my instructable. I put quite a bit of thought into it.
And it's Mr. :)
Maybe, someone should try and contact the staff and see what they say? I don't think they read these comments!
According to the posted rules "The winner(s) will be determined through two (2) rounds of judging". These are "Selection of Finalists" and "Selection of Winner(s)". There is no mention of any "narrowing" of finalists. Under Section A, number 8 Judging it says "Sponsor will choose 28 finalists from the pool of all eligible entries." So where are the other 11?
I can't really answer that. I assumed it was part of their "selection of winners" process to narrow the field. Assumptions are risky things though, so I hope someone else can give you a better answer.
I forgot to add, if I won the Zing Laser cutter I would use it for cutting out parts for an autonomous rc aircraft project I'm working on for starters. :)
Congrats everyone! 800+ entries is pretty darn impressive. So many of the entries just floored me not only with the projects themselves but with the quality of write up/presentation.
I can't say that my write up was as fine as I'd hoped. I was pretty much pulling out my hair trying to figure out how to get it to load. I'd have loved to had more time to go back over it and make it flow more.
With 800+ entries, I think it's safe to say that members really stepped it up with this contest. Sad to say that my project didn't make the cut... But congrats to all the finalists! All of them submitted fantastic work, and any one of them could win it. Makes me glad I'm not a judge.
The fun and excitement is what it's all about with projects like this. Congratulations everyone this is an awesome contest with so many great finalists. It looks like it's anyone's ball game as they say.
Did you know that Yahoo has an entire group devoted to helping each other on issues relating to Epilog. Anyone who wins should join it as well as stay active here. Anyone who's commited to the ideal of owning an Epilog should also join. They also have an Arcive of problems that new people have had to learn (it's little things like really fine adjustments to get off the hook results) and how do I uses an Epilog on a material that I've never even considered before?
Some shameless self promotion. If I win anything, I'll promote the heck out of that product!! Please vote for me, I really want that leatherman or DeWalt band saw.
I can't come close to winning the Zing, and If I did, I'd take it straight to a hacker space. Something that awesome shouldn't ever be locked up or left sitting idle on some weekend makers bench. My hope is to place or show.
there are additional expences with Epilog (Sad) I saw it happen with the small business that I assisted. I can say that I've been prepairing for owning an Epilog for quite some time. If I won I realize that I'd want at a mimium a new hard drive for all the stuff I'd start Corel drawing changing and burning, more likly it would be time for a new computer.
I'd retire my jeweler's saw! And I'd like to try some paper cutting, stencils for etching & make parts to build a self-replicating machine. I was trying to make a design from the book "Create Colorful Aluminum Jewelry" by Helen Harie which uses the ubiquitous aluminum drink can. The author says to use paper punches used in scrap-booking, but my 1ST purchase from Amazon was defective & shattered on using it. The seller refunded the purchase price, but not the $10 for shipping. I'd never have to suffer this fate again with a Zing!
Zing would probably etch on Aluminum (You need to purchase a seperate areosole to make it really work) But I'm not sure it would cut through it?
Most of your Alumium Jewelry is Anodized pretty colors. RioGrande.com could help you with coloring issues. But why when you have a top knotch machine limit yourself to Alumium? Check out Making wooden Ear-rings And I'd start with something that has a much easier to both use on the machine, prints well, and customers accept the mark up more redally. And that would be Cherry.
It won't cut aluminum ... sorry dude, rubber, plastic, wood, acrylic, etc... soft materials. No metal. You need a MAJOR laser to cut metal and a ZING isn't even close. :(
I agree it wont cut those things. But! I will cut enough things that cutting metal can be sent out of house. So I'd check if the price differances between a MAJOR laser and a Zing is worth the differance?
In my case it will do enough of the work I need done so that I can keep it busy. The major work I can send out for.
The contest closed at 11:59 PST, Nov 14th. If you submitted yesterday before that deadline, you should see your project listed above under the words, "Your Instructables that are already entered in this contest pending moderator approval." According to the rules (or at least my understanding of them), if you met the deadline, you just need to wait for moderator approval before your project is listed. That should take one business day.
I submitted my DIY Futon project yesterday around 7:00PM PST, and I'm still waiting on approval, but at least I can see it under the 'waiting for approval' thing.
"Accepting Entries are accepted by Instructables staff within one business day (M-F). What matters is the submission time, not acceptance time."
I posted my comment around 10:30 AM, and it shows as 6:33 PM. At least the time is off by the same amount for both of us. But I had no trouble submitting my project, which would have been late is the time had been off when I submitted it. It's weird, because my other comments show the correct time. I wonder if this is some kind of bug.
Om I agree about the Talk about being late issue. I just had the Epilog lasered the Acrylic on last Wensday and the rest has been in Editing (My first Video) I just now got the last upload issue resolved.
Yes I have experiance around Epilogs but no I don't actually own one. My point in the video is that you can quite effectivly use them even before you buy one. Then go to the Bank and show them how much money your business would save by taking the work inhouse.
I don't believe that this Idea should be done by large comanies that dictate what you will like; but instead is a good outlet for local Artists doing local application to the very small well serviced markets. Thus I give it away, as an option to people who think that they don't have enough money to start a business.
And Yes I have several other interesting Projects (that are mine) that I would do with an Epilog after I've attended the training seminars.
It could and it might not. By entering earlier, you are there to be voted on earlier. If you are later, you show up on the first few pages which tend to get more attention. So it can go either way.
So are you saying the more votes you get the more points you have, or is there a maximum number of votes? Or with other words... Once you get a maximum number of votes you can't get anymore points contributed to the 49% of your score from voting, as stated in the rules that goes towards selecting the 28 finalists?
Essentially is it graded on a curb, or is their simply a point where there is no difference in the scoring for an entry that has 1000 votes compared to one with 10000 votes? Of course I have no clue what that limit is.
Thanks for adding my instructable to the contest! I am excited by the prospect of being able to win a laser cutter. This is just the type of tool that takes projects to the next level. I have experience with solid modeling, and having others machine parts for my projects, so I can appreciate what a valuable asset this can be for cutting your own materials. I also have a fair amount of graphics experience, so I am sure that all my personal electronics would soon be sporting custom engraving if I won. Thanks again, and best of luck to all the great instructables entered in the contest.
I would love to win the laser cutter, i could use it to finally finish making my CNC mill :P TBH I don't know what I would need it for, but I'm not worried, I wont win it, I've not been lucky for years, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
on another note.... have a look at my Fully Automatic LEGO Nerf Gun entry http://www.instructables.com/id/The-First-fully-automatic-clip-fead-LEGO-Nerf-gun-1/
According to the United Nations Convention: the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
Is there a reason why the contest's rules exclude Quebec people ?
Surely you realize that your entry can't be accepted due to Quebec's unique laws regarding contests, right? Thus making "you" the racist anti-french speaking people.
I have so many ideas that would be facilitated by a laser cutter that I can't even to begin to describe them. On top of that the fact that this is an Epilog machine that is virtually impossible to come by in Australia, winning this would be this makers dream fulfilled.
If I won, I'd donate my laser cutter to the Milwaukee Makerspace.
Of course, then I'd be using it to cut all manner of small, useful organizational type pieces like the parts for boxes and drawers for screws, electronics components, etc. so we could organize the 'Space better.
And I'd love to try making "Milwaukee Makerspace" coasters engraved with our logo to hand out at our booths at various local events. I'd even like to try engraving ultra-thin wooden flyers too. This thing has a lot of potential....
One thing I would add is to make sure that folks know exactly what you're using for tools, technique, and materials.
Another tip: Accessibility.
If you're offering an Instructable that requires the use of a twenty-thousand-dollar machine (not that that's a bad thing), make sure that there's a solution out there for those of us who don't have access to that kind of tool.
Also, if you're using an odd piece of scrap from somewhere, let us know where you got it, or at least the dimensions so we can make our own.
I've done a couple ibles and I can offer this advise, i'm sure other creators can expand upon it.
Plan on making 2 of everything you create. The first one will be the starter project that you work on improving. The second is for the ible.
Take lots of pictures, you can be selective when you post the ible. Also take pictures of the process not just the project, this helps with the build explanation. Also try to take pics of the individual parts if applicable.
Don't be afraid to talk about your mistakes, we all make them and they can help others from repeating yours.
Add a "if I did it again..I would change..." piece to the ible.
Let folks know how long it took to build and how you got the idea.
Have FUN! the reward is taking your idea and turning it into reality, the prize is a benefit.
Hope this helps, and good luck. I haven't posted an ible in awhile so I think its time to get the creative juices flowing again ; )
Contrary to what you might think, the moon actually has really lax customs regulations, but the going rate for postage these days is about $1000 per GRAM. I don't know what a laser cutter weighs, but P&H would probably cost more than zing's entire annual profit. So either move closer to a metropolitan centre, or cut your moon rocks by hand
I just posted my entry, the QuasiCrystal Star Lamp and got accepted as "Featured" content, thanks for the free Pro Membership instructables.com ! Curious to hear some more feedback. Please consider voting for me if you like what you see :)
I am Raajnish from India. I humbly request to include Indians like me who are at present doing sand engraving. I am not having a laser engraver as it is a costly affair for me. When enquired about epilog laser engraving machine, I costs about 6,00,000/- Indian rupees (equivalent to 12000 U.S Dollars) plus other taxes and shipping charges). It is a very high amount for me. I am in Screen Printing, foil printing for the last 29 years. And at last in Sand engraving for the last 1 year. When considering Indian art and architecture, It has a centuries long tradition. Indian art and architecture are highly appreciated in the Western Countries. There is a lot to do by laser engraving. Only by going through the images of indian art and architecture, one can understand the great tradition of if. So I request you to open entry for us also. If given a chance I can show how and what to do with laser engraving. Raajnish, raajnish62@gmail.com
How come it's not in the finalists?
Thanks everyone!! :)
Did you ever wonder what happened to the other 11 finalists that were supposed to be picked? The rules say there will be 28 only 17 were picked.
As far as being featured, that might be a legitimate beef, but this website is a business and they have to keep it interesting.
Regarding voting time, I like the way they do it now because everyone CAN get equal viewing time. If you have voting at the end, people do like they have in the past and wait to enter at the last possible second. That way, their entry is on the front page of the contest entries. They do this because hardly anyone is going to sift through several pages of entries before they make votes. So, under the old system, I think earlier entries were at a disadvantage.
I think the way they do it makes it interesting and it is obvious that they can't make everyone happy. Just enjoy the fact there are contests. When those of you who don't like the system start awarding prizes, you can do it the way you want. My $.02.
Please explain how everyone can get equal viewing time. As I remember the voting was open for the entire length of the contest plus 3 days. The rules say "Voting Period. Prior to the Deadline and for three (3) days after the Deadline".
But who knows as they do not follow their own Rules, they only chose 17 finalist when the rules say there will be 28.
This gives the featured entry more visibility with the possibility of more votes. Even though the votes was only 49% of the judging to pick the finalists it could still influence the judges. I would think that to be completely fair no contest entry could be a featured instructable. Also the rules state that 28 finalists will be chosen, I only count 17. Am I missing something?
With regard to not allowing featured instructables, that would rule out the majority of the quality instructables.... But I do understand where you are coming from. The day my instructable got on the front page I got 10x the traffic
seems odd.
Each Criteria should have it's score shown.
I would really like to see the scores for "simplicity" that these finalists got, also the "usefulness" score would be interesting. The technological know how displayed in some of these is outstanding but simple they are not.
Did you wonder what happened to the other 11 finalist? The rules say there will be 28, but only 17 were chosen.
By the way I loved your fire wire.
I hope this helps with at least one of your concerns. The others, I'm afraid, I have insufficient knowledge to address.
And it's Mr. :)
Maybe, someone should try and contact the staff and see what they say? I don't think they read these comments!
Under Section A, number 8 Judging it says "Sponsor will choose 28 finalists from the pool of all eligible entries." So where are the other 11?
/Surfin-Bird-Arduino-Style/
If you really want the bandsaw and I win it, and you win the Zing do you want to trade?
http://www.instructables.com/id/Mutoscope-The-Hand-Cranked-Cinema/
Most of your Alumium Jewelry is Anodized pretty colors. RioGrande.com could help you with coloring issues. But why when you have a top knotch machine limit yourself to Alumium? Check out Making wooden Ear-rings And I'd start with something that has a much easier to both use on the machine, prints well, and customers accept the mark up more redally. And that would be Cherry.
In my case it will do enough of the work I need done so that I can keep it busy. The major work I can send out for.
I submitted my DIY Futon project yesterday around 7:00PM PST, and I'm still waiting on approval, but at least I can see it under the 'waiting for approval' thing.
"Accepting
Entries are accepted by Instructables staff within one business day (M-F). What matters is the submission time, not acceptance time."
Better late than never...
DIY $125 Futon.
http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-125-Futon/
Thanks for approving the project!
Please vote for the project that you feel is best (hopefully it's mine). The more votes we get for any project, the better the competition will be!
here's my flame thrower.
I don't believe that this Idea should be done by large comanies that dictate what you will like; but instead is a good outlet for local Artists doing local application to the very small well serviced markets. Thus I give it away, as an option to people who think that they don't have enough money to start a business.
And Yes I have several other interesting Projects (that are mine) that I would do with an Epilog after I've attended the training seminars.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Constructing-the-Laser-cut-folding-ukulele/
I promise if I win the laser cutter, I will make good use of it! Including, prototyping more useful and fun products for everybody!
I am from South Africa and would like to know if I can enter the compitition
Would entering your contest earlier increase your chances of winning?...
Because then people have more time to vote for your instructable, and you also additionally get more views...
Essentially is it graded on a curb, or is their simply a point where there is no difference in the scoring for an entry that has 1000 votes compared to one with 10000 votes? Of course I have no clue what that limit is.
Hope that made sense.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Ron-Paul-Laser-Marquetry-from-a-photograph/
TBH I don't know what I would need it for, but I'm not worried, I wont win it, I've not been lucky for years, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
on another note....
have a look at my Fully Automatic LEGO Nerf Gun entry
http://www.instructables.com/id/The-First-fully-automatic-clip-fead-LEGO-Nerf-gun-1/
Its a slightly belated Happy Halloween, but the spirit still lingers ;)
I will wait for contest opened to me.
But really, it's not about us, we are working to open contests as much as possible. Quebec is quirky, though.
http://contests.about.com/od/sweepstakes101/f/VoidinQuebec.htm
Yes it seems that quebec's rules are tough.
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Is there a reason why the contest's rules exclude Quebec people ?
Cheers,
Scott.
Of course, then I'd be using it to cut all manner of small, useful organizational type pieces like the parts for boxes and drawers for screws, electronics components, etc. so we could organize the 'Space better.
And I'd love to try making "Milwaukee Makerspace" coasters engraved with our logo to hand out at our booths at various local events. I'd even like to try engraving ultra-thin wooden flyers too. This thing has a lot of potential....
One thing I would add is to make sure that folks know exactly what you're using for tools, technique, and materials.
Another tip: Accessibility.
If you're offering an Instructable that requires the use of a twenty-thousand-dollar machine (not that that's a bad thing), make sure that there's a solution out there for those of us who don't have access to that kind of tool.
Also, if you're using an odd piece of scrap from somewhere, let us know where you got it, or at least the dimensions so we can make our own.
Good luck!
Plan on making 2 of everything you create. The first one will be the starter project that you work on improving. The second is for the ible.
Take lots of pictures, you can be selective when you post the ible. Also take pictures of the process not just the project, this helps with the build explanation. Also try to take pics of the individual parts if applicable.
Don't be afraid to talk about your mistakes, we all make them and they can help others from repeating yours.
Add a "if I did it again..I would change..." piece to the ible.
Let folks know how long it took to build and how you got the idea.
Have FUN! the reward is taking your idea and turning it into reality, the prize is a benefit.
Hope this helps, and good luck. I haven't posted an ible in awhile so I think its time to get the creative juices flowing again ; )
When considering Indian art and architecture, It has a centuries long tradition. Indian art and architecture are highly appreciated in the Western Countries. There is a lot to do by laser engraving. Only by going through the images of indian art and architecture, one can understand the great tradition of if. So I request you to open entry for us also. If given a chance I can show how and what to do with laser engraving.
Raajnish, raajnish62@gmail.com