Step 3: cooling off a tear drop trailer

-install the heater core where you want it, I plan on having mine installed near the top of the galley wall in the galley, with a vent into the TD sleeping compartment.
-mount your 12 volt fans so they blow through the heater core. I plan on one fan bringing in outside air all the time, and the other recirculating air from inside the TD.
-mount a drip pan underneath the heater core with a drain line back to the cooler.
-run the wires from your 12 volt power source to a switch or two. I plan on having my TD have two fans both running continuously, one bringing in fresh air the other recirculating TD bedroom air, and a wall thermostat switching the 12 volt pump on and off. This may exceed the amps rating for a normal wall thermostat but they also sell 120/220 V wall thermostats that will work.
-run the plumbing from the heater core to the cooler and clamp the ends if needed.
-zip tie everything in place as needed.
-fill the cooler with ice or ice packs, I use juice bottles full of water (fill 3/4 full, dump in salt and shake until the water won't absorb any more, put the lid on and freeze with the bottle on its side) leave a space for the pump (I plan on making some sort of baffle to keep ice away from the pump )
-put in enough water to cover the top of the pump.
-put the the cooler back together, turn it on, check for leaks. 
-enjoy hours of cool air in your TD. 
since a TD is mostly used inside for sleeping, a cooler full of ice should last the night, however you will probably have to refill the ice and dump out most of the water from the night before. Since most campgrounds, and gas stations have ice for sale this shouldn't be too hard.
   I have posted this idea on tnttt.com and one guy has tried it, http://www.tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=18104&hilit=rowerwet&start=15 the guy who tried it is near the bottom of page 2 of the thread
his quote " I used 10lbs of ice and it lasted about 5 hours at 88 degree's outside, my Tear maintained 76 degrees." He goes on to give ideas on how he wants to improve the design using a copper coil inside the cooler instead of a large bath of water, to do that though would require some sort of reservoir for expansion of the water, not hard, just a little more details, is all.
        just like my other I'ble on how to heat a TD or tent  off the grid, this gives a way to cool a TD off the grid. In fact ice was around a long time before refrigerators, my parents house is built in the area that an ice house once stood hundreds of years ago. During the New England winter ice was cut out of the pond behind their house and packed in straw and saw dust in double walled ice barns, the ice was even shipped all around the world in old sailing ships packed in straw and sawdust to be sold.

I'm not sure I follow you at all, because 1 lb of ice will always have the exact same value at the same temperature. The only differance being crushed ice will melt faster vs a solid block of ice. So I agree it would cool faster - but the btu value is 100% exact same at the same temp. All those cooler fans & your pump need elec power , each watt is 3 btu lost , not even considering the heat loss due to the cooler exterior surface area. With a true scientific experiment I would bet pound for pound the ice in my system is 20% more efficient. It's like comparing a central ac with ducts - to a mini split with zero duct loss.
Multiple gallons of ice in the cooler, vs a couple gallons of ice in plastic bottles. The plastic bottles will be the limiting factor in heat transfer. <br>What you are talking about is more or less a swamp cooler, it will do little to dehumidify the air, as I tested and found, a metal heat exchanger will dehumidify very well
Not being a rocket scientist with a degree from MIT , but wouldn't just putting 2 frozen gallon jugs of water 16 lbs - into your tear drop with a fan blowing on them be 10 x easier and more efficient, without all your other cooler, pumps &amp; hoses.<br><br>I know for a 10,000 % fact that it works heating my trailer in winter if I put very hot water into 2-5 gallon buckets, so exactly the same has to work with jugs of frozen ice or those blue cooler packs or even dry ice if its gas is vented to the exterior.<br><br>I just work on the KISS principle
The volume of ice will relate to how long ypu can absorb heat, the cooler full is a much bigger heat sink, and a place to hold the water condensation
I hate to burst your bubble, but this is not an air conditioner in the sense that most people think of air conditioners. Air conditioners use compression, and the evaporation of the refrigerant to pump heat outside, not just move heat from the interior to a couple cold water bottles. <br> <br>This seems like a neat idea, with good problem solving, but it seems misleading to call it an air conditioner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_conditioner
I call it an air conditioner because it conditions the air, if it gives you hours of cold air and reduced humidity I don't know what else to call it to let people know what it does. <br>just like you call a tissue a kleenex, clear plastic tape scotch tape, or inline skates rollerblades. <br>the cooling could be done using ammonia/water or just about any gas, freon just works the best. <br>Dry ice or liquid nitrogen could be used to condition air also, they just add a ton of design issues.
The downside with this design is that from time to time, you will probably need to replace the melted ice with some new ice cubes.
<p>that is the idea, to transfer the heat in the air into the frozen water, if the ice didn't melt I would still be hot... the big issue if I ever install this in a teardrop, will be, &quot;how many pounds of ice to last 6 hours?&quot; since my body is giving off about as much heat at a 100 watt light buld, even without the hot air that needs to be cooled so I can continue to breath</p>
beats nothin'.
Doesnt that say it all ....
Well I guess he could use an electric cooler that would keep the inside of the box cool, it just uses a bit more of that 12 volt.
It's a shame you aren't just half as smart as you think you are.&nbsp; Take the time to research the difference in air conditioning and air refrigeration.
Most people don't have a clue about what an &quot;air conditioner&quot; is and how it works and no, an air conditioner does not have to involve compression at all. Perhaps a more valid term for this would be a &quot;heat pump&quot; but it is not entirely wrong to call it an air conditioner. <br> <br>Finally, although Wikipedia is a fine source for looking up the basics of a term, it can also be wrong as well... try looking up the actual references. <br> <br>I also can't understand how you could possibly miss the first sentence on your Wikipedia link which states &quot;mechanism designed to dehumidify and extract heat from an area.&quot;... that is precisely what this unit is doing... <br> <br>I hate to burst *your* bubble but, your complaint is null and void.
Pretty sure no bubbles were burst. He never advertised this as a phase change coolant system.
Hi, you Sheldon Cooper? :-)))
I found this interesting myself. I have seen similar using other ideas, but, for us to learn we need to have various ideas and we can work from those to develop our own unique application that will work for us as an individual. <br>Myself I probably find ammonia interesting once I had my first camping trailer and learned how the Frig worked off a small flame or heat source. <br> <br>Rowerwet do you have any mold/mildew problem on your heater core? I may have missed this in my browsing of this?
<p>since the heater core is rather thin and in my install it was exposed to sun all day, and only wet an hour or two a day, it had no mold issues, the reason car a/c ducts have mold issues is because they are dark and humid. </p><p>Since then the heater core is sitting in my basement unused, no mold on it yet :)</p>
So.. It's a complicated Swamp cooler. At the risk of being rude, you could just as easily hide a coil loop under 100 sqft of straw bales, hook up a solar panel and use glycol as your carrier. 12v fan and pump on the solar panel, no need to refrigerate anything. <br> <br>Swamp coolers, though cheap, are highly energy intensive, and roughly 1/4 as efficient at cooling air as a car pump or home heat pump.
a swamp cooler uses evaporation as the main means of cooling, however they don't do much to cool in high humidity. <br>This design uses the very cold heater core to chill the air, as you know a cold glass of water with ice cubes in it will get condensation on the out side of the glass, the excess water vapor condenses on the heater core. From my own testing I found the water vapor condensing was enough to make me think my heater core was leaking. <br> the whole point of the is I'ble was to make a portable &quot;air conditioner&quot; or a body cooler, the air conditioner will only really work in a small area with good insulation. The body cooler will work anywhere you can carry a cooler of ice since it doesn't take that much surface area to extract a good deal of heat from your blood. <br> There are much better ways that don't rely on outside energy sources to cool a stationary area, the best being an underground tunnel, the ground is <br>a rather constant 45 F. I have read of homes in the middle east using an underground tunnel to chill incoming air. With a wind catching funnel on the roof to pull the air up a big enough tunnel would work. <br> Underground homes built into the side of a hill are about the most energy efficient as they only have to heat or cool from 45 degrees or so, make the side open to the air face south in the norther hemisphere or north in the southern hemisphere and you can rely on solar for much of the heating. <br> The next best design being to build a house within a house, you have an outer shell that is insulated, then an air gap and an inner house that is insulated, the windows and doors are connected through &quot;tunnels&quot;. The basement air is allowed to circulate through the air gap freely and up into the attic, that way the air envelope around the house will be mostly at ground temp and you only have to heat or cool the inner house from the ground temp. <br> <br>This I'ble won't work for a house, it may work for a small room like a dorm room.
The human body is an evaporative cooler, we sweat, air moves, evaporation cools. <br> <br>To create blocks of ice, you have to use some kind of exchanger, either a heat pump, a gas absorption set up or a standard compressor-condessor-evaporator. Those objects still create heat. Imagine if you will a refrigerator cooling water to make blocks of ice for the &quot;personal air conditioner&quot;. That refrigerator is using the compression and expansion of gases to create a cold environment. But it pumps the heat right back into the room that's being cooled. <br> <br>The device in this instructable exchanges air with chilled water. The biproduct is warm water, which is of course pumped BACK into the cooler full of ice. This speeds up the melting process and eventually you're left with a cooler full of warm water. The fan motors create heat. The friction of the fan blades creates heat, the coolant pump creates, you guessed it, heat. The system is only capable of producing momentary personal comfort on an energy scale that is not feasible. All told, the heat from the fridge, fan, pump and motors all have a greater thermal output than the ice's ability to cool. In a closed environment, eventually the thermal output would be so great the refrigerator wouldn't make ice anymore. <br> <br>This I'ble could be used to cool a well insulated tent. The best design to keep a house cool in summer is to build underground. <br> <br>I'm simply saying, you've created a highly energy intensive and thermally inefficient means of cooling a small space, one that could be mitigated by proper hydration and airflow. It's a comfort thing I suppose, not everybody needs ice cold air blowing at them.
<p>I'm making one of these for my room/car, the freezer is not in my room so this is not a problem, not to mention I'm going to use cells of pykrete which lasts around 6 hours cold, water which it'll sit in and cool, that gets pumped to a heater core from a car, yada, yada you know the rest, this is the best way I can think of doing it, I live in Australia, it's usually 38 degrees C in summer and my room is on the west side of the house, it gets war very quickly. So I hope this will help. and pykrete is extremly efficient </p>
mine fits in the car and is solar powered/ 12vdc
the water returning to the cooler is still rather cold, holding my hand under the return stream made my hand numb, but yes it is adding heat to the cooler.<br> I am only looking for 6-8 hours of colder, less humid air as that is all I would need to sleep in my TD. <br> The tntt.com member who tried this plans on a coil of copper tubing running through the ice rather than a bath of ice water, I don't know it there would be any increase in the time the ice would last or not. <br> this was never meant to cool a house, even the possibility of cooling a dorm room with it depends on the ice machine being outside the dorm room. <br> The &quot;air conditioner&quot; is only meant to be used a few nights a year for camping in my TD, on those rare nights (up here in new england) when it is just to hot to sleep comfortably, the body cooler got used almost every day last july, august and part of september. I keep the &quot;ice bottles&quot; in my deep freeze at home and the nearly empty freezer in the fridge at work. <br> Being from Maine I consider anything over 90 F way to hot, and thanks to radiant cooling we get only one or two nights a year that it doesn't drop to a comfortable temp at night. When I visit my inlaws in PA I can't sleep without some ac. Maybe you can get used to it and sleep with just a fan...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_envelope_house a short page with some links, the original idea has been improved on
yea but it wont fit in a car <br>
Back in the 40's we have ICE BOX, not refrigerator... :-)
most of that ice came from ammonia and water ice plants, back then most major cities and towns had at least one. <br> I have read more than one story about the depression that mentioned an ammonia refrigerator, so I know they were around then.
As far as i remember, the &quot;Linde K&auml;ltemaschine&quot; with ammonia came out around 1880. <br>Heat transport with compressing has been around more than hundred years then. <br>There have also been &quot;phase change&quot; systems around before Linde, which used other &quot;low temp boiling&quot; liquids. <br>The use of ammonia wasn't invented by Linde either, but he perfected the cooling machine to a commercial success. <br> <br>This was then very important for the breweries. <br>Until then, they couldn't brew bottom fermented beers during the warmer months. (Although they dug caves and stored natural ice in there) <br> <br>So during depression, they certainly could have had ammonia fridges, if they could afford it.
<p>ammonia is still used in large cooling applications, ice rinks to keep the ice cold, ice cream manufacturing, etc. I don't know when the ammonia cycle becomes more viable in an application than freon, but there seems to be a point that it still makes sense. </p><p>For small systems Freon is the winner.</p>
Before refrigeration, beer was often served in 'Icehouses' which stored ice for transport. There are still some beer imbibing establishments called that, and there's a beer of that namesake.
The cold temperatures are required during the &quot;lagering&quot; phase. (just above freezing) This is required for maturing bottom fermented beers, made the traditional way. <br>It brings out the crispness of lager beers. <br> <br>For top fermented beers like ales, this cold phase isn't needed. <br> <br>But for drinking, you might want to cool it anyway... <br>
I had seen a project in recent years, though I must confess I cannot remember where, that involved using sound as the compression method in a refrigerator. It had to do with the use of a low frequency sound emitter contained within a tube, attached to the back of the fridge. The principal was the same as the current compressor unit I suppose, just a different method to achieve the desirable compression levels. I don't know if it's really practical either and that is probably why I have never seen anything further......=)
Gotta make this! This is just what I was looking for. Gonna have a timer or some other regulator, for sure... I've seen other concepts, but this one makes the most sense for my application. Great job! Thanx!
yes, I thought my heater core leaked because it was dripping so much water, turns out it was condensation, in my desgn there s a tray to catch the water and put it into the cooler or ground, the condensation is a good thing though as less moist air feels much cooler. ( most of what air conditioners do is lower humidity)
caution with pex tubing it is not uv protected if the sun get to it it will degrade
two years tywrapped to my cars seat during the warm weather, and no issues. of course it is running at just about no pressure, and if it breaks I'll just put more in.
Is there an issue with condensation?
The concept, IMHO, is sound... I know this because I too have this obsession to make a portable 12V air conditioner.. Living in Alabama and enduring 103 degree days at 100% humidity will do that to you... Here is what I have found: <br>More ice, more surface area, and one strong fan will deliver ICE COLD air..but it won't last very long at all. How do I know this? I am glad you asked, please allow me to explain, <br>Having access to all kinds of motorcycle/ATV/Jet Ski stuff as well numerous race and project car parts allowed me to build one kick-a** swamp cooler.. I used a Ron Davis aluminum racing radiator (designed for a small block chevy.dropped in a 1st gen RX-7), a 12 V electric bilge pump, and an older KX60 radiator and dropped all this in a HUGE styrofoam cooler courtesy of one very large Omaha Steaks order. I took a knife and cut out two holes in the lid, used a cut up water hose to pipe the water into and out of the cooler. A trip to Lowes provided an adapter that allowed me to step up (and down) from water hose size to car radiator hose size. I froze several half gallon (organic as they tend to be thicker in construction) milk cartons full of water. Then I stopped by the ice trailer and dumped in 20lbs of crushed ice... <br>I happened to have a couple of Suzuki GSXR motorcycle (12V ) fans, so I used the existing shroud brackets to mount the behind the big radiator. pushing air through it.. hopefully COLD air.. <br>sooooooo with all this ice, one big aluminum radiator, a very high flow pump, and a small radiator resting below iceberg, and two sportbike fans, I only needed 12 volts. I used a battery charger for juice and hooked that sucker up.. WOW!! I had COLD AIR!! It was great!! It was awesome..it felt so good. Then in approximately thirty two minutes the air was no longer ice cold.. then in a few minutes it wasn't cold at all.. a few moments more it was warm... <br>Sooooo all that being said - you are onto something but it isn't very efficient.. but sometimes, WHO CARES!?!? When it's a hundred degrees who cares about that - all that matters is there is some cold air - albeit briefly.
Instead of ice you can use blue ice or pykrete to get longer lasting ice <br> <br>http://simegen.com/writers/lois/pykrete.htm
I don't understand why some folks only seem to be part of this just to seek out imperfections and criticize peoples posts. If you don't like it grow a membrane and build a better one. I'm sure someone like you will find something anal to say about your ible to. On that note, there is a &quot;be nice&quot; policy on here and I'm gonna have to say BRAVO to the author for an awesome ible. I'm from the muggy south(Arkansas ;)) and we need all sorts of genius ways to keep cool.
here is an FYI Wikipedia is also mostly user loaded definitions look up old Webster for more accuracy
This may be worth a read for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia
yes I know the problems wikipedia has, being an &quot;open source&quot; site, the definitions go more to the popular than the factual. I remember one that I was reading that just stopped halfway through the story it was covering, apparently the rest of the story they had cited was considered to be under copy write. I had to got to the wiki comments page on the article and then a third page to get what actually happened. of course I think some of the reason for this was politically motivated, but it just points to the weakness of wikipedia.
I realize the irony.
For making small area air conditioning, a nifty base to work from is Peltier cooling modules. Rather than to show or describe a project, I will give this link to a place to get them and let your imagination take it from there. There are a lot of approaches one could take to use these things. They were originally designed to cool processors and then later to create portable refrigerators. Anyway, her's the link to one source for them: http://bit.ly/JpogVX
I have a 12V cooler that uses one a peltier to cool, while it works great in my air conditioned van, since it is only able to cool 40 degrees beyond what ambient is, I found it useless in my un-air conditoned car. Even then it needs to start with refrigerated items or it takes a couple hours to cool of a soda can. <br> I have seen people do the math on multiple peltier set ups, the part that doesn't work on 12v portable power is the amperage draw. unless I had a large bank of batteries it just won't last that long. you end up needing a 12v generator, windmill or large solar panel, since I will be sleeping while using this I don't want a generator, high wind, and the sun won't be shining. <br> If multiple Peltier set ups ever break this power barrier I can see them going into cars to replace the Freon cycle ac, until then ... <br> IIRC there is one current hybrid car that uses these to help cool it using solar, but I may be wrong.
There are a wide variety of Peltier module types --each with different requisites and efficiency. As a result we hear different people relate different successes. Plus, without the nomenclature for the module discussed, there is no way to compare it to anything. It would be like comparing gas engines without stating the horsepower and fuel consumption of the compared engines.<br><br> But you misunderstood me to mean that it be used alone; I meant for it to be used in a situation similar to the project these comments are attached to. Peltier modules gain in efficiency for cooling when their hot side is connected to a heat sink, such as the water reservoir in this project. It would lessen the heft of the evaporator section, simply forming another way to achieve the same end. I merely suggested it as an alternative way of doing the heat exchange. For a Peltier to be used effectively, it would need the heat sink and need a fan to help distribute the cooled air.<br><br>
I'll have to read more about Peltier chips, it sounds interesting <br>josh
Here is a cleaner version of such a device. www.kooleraire.com it's self-contained, cheap, but probably still insufficient without more fans.
there are many versions of a swamp cooler, they only work if the humidity is low. plenty of designs right here on Instructables.com and much cheaper

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