3 Ways to Create a Virus

 by Ouch

Step 2: Batch Virus Construction Kit

Alright. Now for some more adventurous tactics. We are going to use a free virus creator program to make our next virus.
We will use the free Batch Virus Contruction Kit. Click to
download the BVCK.
This is a really easy method of making viruses. It is just a yes or no command line wizard. Move through the wizard and answer yes, no, number selection, and freeform entry.
Then BVCK will generate a .BAT virus with your selected options.

If you would release the created virus, please do not use this tool or follow any of the steps in this article. (I know, if you were actually stupid enough to do that, you won't listen to me.)
 
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LightzOut says: Feb 11, 2010. 4:00 PM
This is not available to use with 64bit windows 7.
TheMimiick says: Nov 17, 2009. 10:42 PM
Virus220, i chalenge you fool, you say you can hack a super computer firewall, wich for one isnt what there called and for two nearly imposible in 2 mins, i chalenge you fool if you can gain access to my computer, i wont withdraw funds from your bank account, you have 7 days to comply.
kailash162 in reply to TheMimiickJan 25, 2010. 3:59 AM
 hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
can u tell how to create virus
plz can i know
zonawin in reply to TheMimiickDec 11, 2009. 6:55 PM
same to you
shoyru_master_11 says: Nov 12, 2009. 8:11 PM
Formats the main drive of your computer...
nnhan88 says: Oct 22, 2009. 5:56 AM
i downloaded a virus the other day ! and it started to tranform itself into most of my programs?. then i used avg  to scan and it just found all my programs as virus and AVG deleted them. how to fix that now all my programs pretty much don't work  
bullseyesunny says: Aug 9, 2009. 4:32 PM
I know how to use and make batch files but could u make a tutorial for the virus makers
winston3835 says: Jul 31, 2009. 1:02 AM

i found a fantastic, free all-in-one antivirus software, here is the link:

http://www.computeractive.co.uk/2229556
gxmon3y says: Jun 1, 2009. 3:24 PM
when i hit download it opens a zip folder how am i supposed to start it?
cd41 says: Apr 2, 2009. 11:38 AM
*notices the runescape background* i feel sorry for you
mooman11 says: Jan 24, 2009. 10:58 PM
I'm glad I read that after I downloaded it oh well ill just download it to my school thx for heads up ill guard folder
denove says: Jan 17, 2009. 5:13 AM
hi guy kind of familer with batch script tricks what i need is a bit of tutorial over assmbly code regarding exe file menuplation thanks all virus u all
dynamite boy says: Nov 14, 2007. 4:57 PM
WARNING THIS GUY IS A FAKE!!!!! i have the Norton anti virus and anti bad computer stuff [AKA other stuff]. I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT DOING THIS AND DOWNLOADING NORTON it is the best damn computer protection. when i tried to download the hacking program it did and Norton blocked it and i checked the status of it and it said in the virus category: VIRUS and in the risk category it said: VERY HIGH. DO NOT DO THIS OR THE NEXT STEP. the only safe step is the first one. but still do not do that one either.
nikp2003 in reply to dynamite boyJan 9, 2009. 12:07 AM
well, nortan is going to tell you there is a virus in it.. IT CREATES VIRUS'S.... its gotta get the code somewhere... it doesnt meen it will be loaded to your computer....
virus220 in reply to dynamite boyDec 30, 2008. 2:52 AM
you are a rubbish hacker i can hack a super computers firewall in 2mins
Troodon80 in reply to virus220Mar 9, 2009. 2:38 AM
The people who boast out loud (i.e. in public) usually turn out to be script kiddies... I'm not saying you cannot do what you say, I'm just saying that people will not respect you for boasting out loud, go to astalavista and boast on their forums.
Muscelz in reply to virus220Jan 30, 2009. 5:23 AM
hahahaha ur a tool tooo, lmao "super computers" lmao ahaha its impossible to take down a firewall externally firewalls block ports, block port scanning, ther is no way past it and once you got it down what are you gona du? wopdy do u got sum open ports, youve accomplished nothing. what are u just gonna stiff them? poisen them? or what? u cant gain access to their compuiter or steal any documents inside, u could read their incomming packets but that pointless, thers so much traffic heading thru there you wont know whats what! plz for gods sake, the only way of taking down a firewill is a inside program that opens or disables the firewall which is impossible to get in at that
thinker in reply to MuscelzMay 11, 2009. 6:13 PM
well, my tried and tested method is simple mass packet send, overload a single port on the firewall, then copy the "safety" codes before i get booted resend some packets to that port with the codes added then i have them monitor the incoming and outgoing packets, note the most used current file-variant, page type, and filetypes and the most exploitable if they are on a game it could be a live-transfer image, it cud be the information regarding the locations of buildings, or it could be the gifs a gameserver uses to identify themselves from there my preferred method is a simple fake/ghost/clone attack where i find an image thats sent, pause it with the packet that was monitoring the ports, and copy its name to my malicious programs they all get through, then the connection boots them, leaving the real image however for the split second they where on the "safe side" of the firewall they manipulated the image, making it volatile, temporarily opening all ports the program id used to monitor the port, instantly replicates across all ports allowing me to do whatever i want on their computer so no its not impossible to take down a firewall externally it just requires brains
Muscelz in reply to thinkerMay 13, 2009. 5:32 AM
what you mean before you get booted? whats the safety codes? how do you obtain them? and what your talking about booting them is called "Dos Attacks" simple port overload, sends to much for it to handle BUT your connection must be faster then theirs to do this. and once ports are open you got less then 2mins or less to disable their firewall and somehow open all their ports and keep them open, WHICH windows doesn't like to have its ports open, and you'd know that. ude have to have a running program in the background that opens the ports to get you the accessibility and time to do your work, because there is no way in windows, that's modification of any file any registry entry to allow that. and once you are in, what do you do? yerr well i might grab their windows license key and that's about it, i don't want anything else, and probably any other key's they have on their PC. but then i would want to do anything else, ide delete the program and be on my way. lol try hacking me, you'll get so far. but you will fail :D trust meeeeeeeeeee go windows under sandbox under kde 4.2 fortress with gates in gates in gates in gates
Nagini in reply to dynamite boyDec 5, 2008. 1:38 AM
NOW YOU TELL ME!!!!! I WILL GIVE THIS GUY SO MANY VIRUSES TO STARE AT THE SCREEN FOR THE REST OF THE DAY
virus220 in reply to NaginiDec 30, 2008. 2:55 AM
i will send them back in no less than 5 secs because they will be so rubbish and i will even pass on a tip to make them better
gofukyrslf in reply to virus220Apr 29, 2009. 2:44 AM
don't worry mate I'm laughing with you
112251919112 in reply to NaginiDec 9, 2008. 8:55 PM
Why, what happened?
DSAdzionator in reply to dynamite boyNov 22, 2008. 10:50 AM
Calm down dear, it's only an instructable.
Hobospwn in reply to dynamite boyNov 3, 2008. 5:52 PM
he's not a fake, Norton is trying to protect you from possible harm. If you made a deadly virus, Norton would protect you from it even if you made it, you could open it and too bad so Norton will just block you from touching it. The warning level, it could be because you could make a virus that deletes your hard drive, which IS very dangerous. You would have to think more clearly to see what i am saying.
Hobospwn in reply to HobospwnNov 3, 2008. 5:54 PM
Oh and, Windows One Live Care is the best anti-virus ever, Norton is in the top 5 though.
collard41 in reply to dynamite boyAug 26, 2008. 2:11 PM
have you ever wondered, to create the virus it needs toget the code from somewhere, and therefore the code is in the virus maker. hence making the anti virus thinkthat it is a virus.
killa696 in reply to dynamite boyAug 8, 2008. 1:36 AM
why did you go on this just to post that. wtf... wat a dumbass
killa696 in reply to dynamite boyAug 8, 2008. 1:36 AM
norton sux. 2 many "false alarms" in it.
fwjs28 in reply to dynamite boyJun 17, 2008. 11:20 AM
NORTON SUCKS BALLS!!!!!!!!!!!AND WHY AM I YELLING?thats better
YummyPancakes in reply to fwjs28Jul 30, 2008. 9:33 AM
I'm using an (I think) experimental piece of ware by Kaspersky Labs. Works great, much better than Norton, which my grandparents use. Viruses all the time!
fwjs28 in reply to YummyPancakesJul 31, 2008. 5:47 PM
what is it called? i wanna try it
YummyPancakes in reply to fwjs28Aug 1, 2008. 8:05 PM
Why, Kaspersky Internet Security, of course!!
fwjs28 in reply to YummyPancakesAug 2, 2008. 5:49 PM
why didn't i think of that!?!?!?! XD....
tigerboy in reply to dynamite boyMay 13, 2008. 8:17 PM
avast is the best
Dms12444 in reply to tigerboyDec 29, 2008. 11:30 AM
I prefer McAffee but I have Norton right now and I would say that so long as the protection software works it doesnt really matter who is best (but that is just in my oppinion) by the way im kinda surprised noone here mentioned ESET or Mcaffee.
winston3835 in reply to Dms12444Jul 24, 2009. 12:34 AM
I can't say I like McAfee much... i definitely had a virus on my old pc (which had McAfee Internet Security) and when i did the scans it said it fixed all the viruses. But the fault of my pc (internet explorer rarely worked, sometimes the pc wouldnt log on properly and other major faults that were definitely viruses) persisted... With the computer after that there was Norman AntiVirus, it didnt do much to show you that you were protected, and I never heard of it before, so I uninstalled it and bought Norton 360 3.0. It's the best so far but it was expensive. But sometimes it gets on your nerves becuase it whines about 'backing up your files' - excuse me, say i dont want to back up my files? i dont download anything free, such as AVG Antivirus and Avast, because there are a lot of spoof websites around saying they have the download link. So heres a tip: if theres loads of websites for AVG or AVAsT free downloads, dont go for them. I once went onto a spoof AVG website and downloaded AVG. I then ran a full system scan on AVG. When it was finished, it asked med to reboot my PC. I rebooted it. From then on, I couldnt even log onto my computer - I typed in my password and it logged on, then, after about two seconds, it automatically logged off! Please, if you are unsure about free antivirus software, just buy it from the shop.
killa696 in reply to tigerboyAug 8, 2008. 1:37 AM
yea
ArisenProdigy in reply to tigerboyJul 12, 2008. 7:33 AM
Avast! Antivirus is amazing. I'd take that over the Norton PC Hog anyday.
jasper28 in reply to ArisenProdigyJul 28, 2008. 5:51 PM
agreed
livesteamfan in reply to jasper28Aug 1, 2008. 5:47 PM
Plus, Avast! Antivirus is totally free.
MODX in reply to dynamite boyApr 9, 2008. 8:03 AM
Of course it's guna say it's a virus! Because it is a virus creation tool?!? Completely illegal, so yea they wana scare you outa getting involved in virus activity lol. And for the record, Norton suck BALLS. Like literally man I had a new variant trojan swizzor on my computer, and norton didnt get it lol. I wrote them a very long email basically saying the equivalent of "F**K YOU" lmfao
bigt4616 in reply to MODXMay 6, 2008. 5:36 PM
ya, i got a trojen vodu(i think that what it was) now i got threat fire which works pretty good for me so far. but for some reason, my mom still loves to give norton 50 bucks for every new registration.
schmidtty in reply to dynamite boyApr 1, 2008. 9:06 PM
ya thanks, i almost dloaded it, but norton does suck
decoder1000 in reply to dynamite boyMar 31, 2008. 10:51 PM
yep that is so true ... i was using it before and man... i think it attracted more viruses then it rejected!!!
Rigon in reply to dynamite boyMar 23, 2008. 11:09 AM
In response to your opinion about Norton AV, I'd have to say that although you are entitled to your opinion I'll have to add mine and say that Norton not only sucks literally, it sucks your memory, CPU time, and HD space only to allow a nasty virus that it can't pick up to keep your system from pukin'. I use to have Norton AV until one day it didn't pick up a virus that literally wiped out all my .exe files. Norton is the best at slowing down your computers processing time, now that's a fact. Peace
jasper28 in reply to RigonJul 28, 2008. 5:53 PM
I could swear that norton planted viruses in fact, when I switched to avast, it detected various parts of norton as viruses!
schmidtty in reply to RigonApr 1, 2008. 9:03 PM
ya norton is a joke, it does work for stuff off limewire and stuff but if you pres ctrl alt delete while windows xp is loading, and go to performance,watch when norton loads, it usually takes around 97% of your cpu whil loading, not to mention it takes your computer 5 years to load while it is installed
Tetranitrate in reply to RigonMar 28, 2008. 10:30 AM
I agree with you, Rigon. Before I knew much about computers, I was susceptible to accidentally downloading a virus which would kill my computer. Norton was only able to catch them 50% of the time, and the ones that got through would kill or severely slow down my computer. As I began to use my computer more and more often, I found it easier to recognize viruses and spyware, and realized I didn't need Norton anymore. Removing Norton was a real pain. Norton thinks that anything to get rid of it must be a malicious virus, instead of a person fed up with the software's ineffectiveness. This made me laugh, because I realized that Norton was very similar to a virus: -It didn't do anything useful (for me) -It took up extra memory, HD space, and processing power -It is a real bitch to remove The best way to prevent viruses is an ounce of common sense.
Rigon in reply to TetranitrateMar 28, 2008. 12:29 PM
Amen my brother! I couldn't have said it better myself. Peace
omnibot in reply to RigonDec 13, 2008. 8:11 AM
indeed .. like using Linux *grin*
littlechef37 in reply to RigonMay 12, 2008. 2:59 PM
I had norton in 2002 and hated it after install it took 3times longer to start up. That was with a 1.5ghz cpu (at the time) and 512mb of ram. Since then i have moved to linux.
Dready in reply to RigonMar 26, 2008. 5:10 PM
I can vouch for that. Rigon is right Norton sucks on the whole.
c4k3isg00d in reply to dynamite boyFeb 25, 2008. 3:49 PM
thanks for the heads up Dynamite boy..
dynamite boy in reply to c4k3isg00dMar 13, 2008. 7:51 PM
your welcome. although i am an EXTREMELY experienced computer hacker i must say this sight is an elaborate one. it took me a while to figure out wat the hell was going on in there system. it was pretty much the most crapped up site i have ever seen. but the programs on there are amazing. most of the ones i have are pretty much illegal and if the feds found me i would be shot......in the head.....it would hurt....... if you want to know what world wide virus i made.....then you'll have to go to a secret chat room that even he feds can't bypass into. it is where all the hackers go and exchange tips. but....every once in a while one or two noobs find there way in and we destroy there computers. if you would like to know more go to my page and ask some questions. i also am an explosives expert.
Manup21 in reply to dynamite boySep 14, 2008. 5:51 AM
Um.. I'm not trying to steal your thunder.. and even though this was long LONG ago. Real "crackers" don't openly tell websites that they are good/great/etc etc whatever the case may be. To some you probably wondered why I said "cracker" instead of hacker. Hackers are actually good in a sense, but because of our ignorant society, we now associate Crackers and Hackers to be one of the same. And to be honest, Illegal programs are not that difficult to acquire (and no I'm not revealing if I do or not.). if you ask the old school, they'll tell you what the difference between a cracker, and a hacker really means. Oh and one more tip..Feds have "hackers" on their side. So in essence, your doing battle with someone of your own skill, or perhaps better.
Troodon80 in reply to Manup21Mar 9, 2009. 3:00 AM
I agree, old schoolers know what it means to be hackers, where the "hackers values and traditions" still stand. generally speaking The term "hackers" was given to anybody who knew thier way around an OS (security in particular) this also applies to but not limited to "breaking and entering" a computer or network. now usually the breaking and entering was for the sole purpose of gaining knowledge and sometimes fun. hackers believe in the freedom/liberation of information. the term "crackers" was also someone who hacked, but differently, bypassing software routines/security on applications and websites. I can go into more detail if any of you want me to.
spitit4ever300 in reply to dynamite boyJul 8, 2008. 12:29 PM
wuz up DB I want to learn more wats good? Got a few questions that need answering e-mail me spitit4ever300@yahoo
moneyman0793 in reply to dynamite boyJul 3, 2008. 7:09 PM
lol not even a script kiddie. just a kiddie. probably doesnt even know python.... egos dont serve real hackers.
makadiva in reply to dynamite boyMar 29, 2008. 4:10 PM
hey i need a virus for advertisement, something to reach my audience, with your expertise, can we work out something? Thanx
MODX in reply to makadivaApr 9, 2008. 8:05 AM
If your looking for something of that sort...and willing to give me something of value in return...email me. mdexn@aol.com
MODX in reply to dynamite boyMar 25, 2008. 10:02 AM
experianced hacker,huh? more like a script kiddie lmao.
rabbitkillrun in reply to dynamite boyFeb 22, 2008. 5:56 PM
norton may be great at stopping viruses, but it takes up like70% of your system memory/CPU...
SSuperSSoldier in reply to dynamite boyFeb 17, 2008. 10:24 AM
@ A.C.E. LOL @ u dude it makes viruses so if course its gunna think its a virus
HaxxorXtreme in reply to dynamite boyFeb 6, 2008. 8:10 PM
Norton is the worst. The best computer block out there is a combination of Mcafee, Ad-aware, and anti-spyware.
fghj in reply to HaxxorXtremeMar 16, 2008. 5:52 AM
hi..... my dear new friend i think that you are a intelligence person so i am requesting you to send me a method to make big and good virus....thanks
A.C.E. in reply to dynamite boyJan 24, 2008. 6:17 PM
the only reason it says it is a virus is because it can do things a virus can do. norton is all like woah, this thing can format the computer!?! im on the computer!! "DO NOT DOWNLOAD"
TheRoaringSilence in reply to dynamite boyJan 13, 2008. 7:04 AM
You're downloading a program to *make* viruses out of preexisting bits of viruses. Norton is finding those bits and assuming the program containing them is the virus itself, which it's not. "This guy" is not a "fake", he just forgot to mention building viruses isn't best done on computers with loads of anti-virus software, since they'll red-flag it immediately.
Mattco92 says: Oct 27, 2008. 2:02 AM
I love AVG it was the reason I find out all those files were viruses
spiker says: Sep 22, 2008. 8:53 PM
ok two things, onw AVG rocks, best anti-virus blocker every lol. and two. when you say what you want and all from these files, how come i cant find the file it "supposedly" made?
abhishek 5575 in reply to spikerSep 23, 2008. 1:54 AM
hey can u tell me how to make a new antivarus
spiker in reply to abhishek 5575Sep 23, 2008. 4:42 AM
what you mean NEW ANTI-VIRUS? You wanna program one?
xaeroevo says: May 22, 2008. 11:42 PM
to all the dicks complaining that this app is a virus and it "infects you" when u download it and whatnot.... ever heard of sandboxing? oh and norton is crap, 20% total ram + bloatware + false alarms.. >.>
ehman says: Apr 3, 2007. 2:38 PM
HEY IF I WANT TO SEND THE VIRUS BAT. FILE TO MY FRIEND ON THE INTERNET(HOTMAIL) HOW DO I DO THAT, I MEAN NOT JUST ATTACH AND SEND. BECAUSE IF HE OPENS IT THERE IT WONT BE LIKE AN APPLICTION FILE, IT'LL JUST BE A WINDOWS FILE. SO IF HE RUNS IT HE'LL HAVE TO CHOOSE A NOTEPAD TO OPEN IT. SO BOTTOMLINE QUESTION HOW DO U SEND A VIRUS TO SOMEONE AND ACTULLY INFECT IT!! PLEASE SOMEBODY REPLY!!!
dfd9 in reply to ehmanApr 6, 2008. 8:52 AM
YEAH CAPS LOCK TEST IS A GREAT PROGRAM ISN'T IT????????
weebl in reply to ehmanApr 10, 2007. 5:51 PM
you have to compress the file or save it as a exe
HELP ME in reply to weeblMar 8, 2008. 1:16 PM
it only says save as txt file how do i make it an exe file? and if i do that how do i send it to them so that when they open it it infects them??? plz help!!
spencer_cd in reply to HELP MEMar 25, 2008. 11:55 PM
ok wen you save it save it like this " name.exe " add .exe at the end and when sending it I think it will not open as a .txt file. there you go if you need more help get me at: spencer_cd@live.ca
shootingapples says: Mar 10, 2008. 7:31 AM
ok verry funny , the most updadted version of BVCK contains a virus which infects u wen u download it!!!
gena626 says: Feb 13, 2008. 5:51 PM
so how do you deleat viruse that sort of shake up you computer like you mouse wont work and you have too many internet explorers at the same time... i have norton and this problem my biggest problem and it wont deleat it...
TotalDestruction says: Jan 23, 2008. 12:15 AM
How do you put the virus to work once you create it???
ckonko says: Dec 21, 2007. 7:55 PM
this doesnt do anything. like i made one that will just disable the mouse and i tried it on myself. nothin. it didnt do anything except show me the source code. and i opened it with notepad.
duct tape apprentice says: Dec 1, 2007. 4:37 PM
For you people who are detecting this: When the people write these, they are filled with prewritten scripts for the viruses, that are then pieced together. All you are detecting is the prewrittens, which will not run when you use the program, only if you use the program.
killatom208 says: Jul 27, 2007. 1:44 AM
ok guys i need help... i made 1 of these virusus for fun but it went in my comp and now i cant check my e-mail and my web shuts down after 2 mins avast keeps sending me messages that i have worms er sumtin i just wanna get rid of the program and virus i made plz help
112251919112 in reply to killatom208Nov 25, 2007. 4:14 PM
thats why I do most off this stuff in theory.
legnd_killa8 says: Apr 25, 2007. 3:41 PM
if i download this will it give my computer a virus because mcafee (the user submitted ones) says that the whole website is a virus and when i downloaded the zip file ( i didnt unzip it yet) it says that its a virus and it deletes it.
DARK VADER in reply to legnd_killa8Apr 26, 2007. 3:34 PM
I have mcafee too and it does the same thing with me. Its not a virus but it will still be detected. If u still want to try it out turn off mcafee for a little while and then download it. Thats what i did and it didnt do anything to my computer. Once u turn it back on it will eventually remove the virus maker.
nobody8148578 says: Apr 24, 2007. 4:24 PM
when you use the batch virus creator and it asks "fooling av'z"? which one should i pick?
DARK VADER in reply to nobody8148578Apr 24, 2007. 5:27 PM
It doesnt really matter, which ever one u prefer. U can pick both if u want. Neither of them really fool most AVs anyway.
Ouch (author) says: Sep 16, 2006. 11:10 AM
BATCH virus creator. Basically you move through, step by step and it asks you yes or no questions about your virus you wish to create and you type Y or N, then press enter. It will create a .bat file that contains these elements. You can open the file in notepad to see the source but don't execute(or run) it, especially if you told it to spread (by the way, DON'T) The Batch Virus Creator is slightly easier to use than, say, GenVir (next step), or one of the code virus engines from http://vx.netlux.org or another similar website.
dos+on+command in reply to OuchApr 8, 2007. 8:29 AM
I created my first virus yesterday useing the bvck
wozza in reply to OuchJan 16, 2007. 11:10 PM
hey i made a virus with bvck n cant find where it was saved can u plz tell me where it might be
ehman in reply to wozzaApr 3, 2007. 2:40 PM
JUST GO TO START, SEARCH AND TYPE IN THE NAME OF THE FILE AND IT'LL SEARCH IT FOR U!!
iamtheleprecan says: Feb 5, 2007. 9:14 PM
the link won't come up it says page can't be displayed.
andigirl says: Jan 23, 2007. 7:24 AM
In what current folder does this program save the .bat file?
Ouch (author) in reply to andigirlJan 23, 2007. 3:10 PM
the same folder your program is running in (if you're programe is running in c:\ouchrox\yoursox\bvck.exe then you will get c:\ouchrox\yoursox\dontopenthisfile.bat)
Hy-KoTiawan says: Oct 4, 2006. 1:04 PM
My home computers are established on a network with redictulous privacy settings, can i use one of these viruses to eliminate the firewalls and put up my own?
Ouch (author) in reply to Hy-KoTiawanNov 18, 2006. 3:51 PM
do you have physical access to the machine? maybe i am posting an instructable on how to circumvent internet filtering
Hy-KoTiawan in reply to OuchDec 18, 2006. 1:16 PM
I dont. Technically you would call my use of the internet through this network "stealing" or "illegal" But I just wish I could access webpages to communicate with friends. I was using proxy links but the filters were updated; each time removing the acessable links. Any help you can come up with will be greatly appreciated.
Ouch (author) in reply to Hy-KoTiawanDec 18, 2006. 3:28 PM
"Technically you would call my use of the internet through this network 'stealing' or 'illegal'"

I wouldn't :D. See this.

This is the best solution I can give you.

If that doesn't work, Peacefire is known for this kind of thing.

Neodudeman says: Sep 16, 2006. 12:12 AM
Can you explain more about this Bat Virus Creator?
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