Step 6: Work Coil/Tank Circuit

The coupling transformer should be toroidal. Wind ~20t around some large ferrite cores (I was using a stack of 4 ~4"x1" cores).
The tank capacitor willget warm. It should have significant terminal area to conduct both heat and thousands of amps. If you are using a MMC of small capacitors, solder them individually to large copper plates. If you are using a Celem or a giant snubber, bolt large copper plates to the terminals. Then in either case, solder the terminals to the copper tubing that forms the rest of the tank circuit.
Attach the work coil to the tank circuit using compression fittings; this allows you to change work coils to accommodate different loads.
Make the work coil out of at least 1/4" copper tubing. Thicker tubing is less lossy, but harder to handle; trade-off between the two as you see fit. When winding the work coil, it helps to fill it with sand to prevent the tubing from collapsing. As a rule of thumb, the resistance of 1' diameter copper tubing at 65 KHz is 0.8 mΩ/m; that is, to compute the resistance of your secondary, multiply 0.8 mΩ by its length and divide by its diameter in inches.
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<p>Sorry for the stupid question, no reply necessary. Answer; self wound isolation transformer, 10+10. I should read the text more carefully and not just stare at schematics. Thanks</p>
<p>Hi, building a furnace from CM600NFH's, hope to debug the ATmega controller. Till then would like to run it off your design, but have one question; the blocks between the drive stages and power are 1:1:1 couplings? Don't want to assume. When I work out the controller I'll post it, unlike ReactorForge. What a DIY cop-out they are. Thanks</p>
<p>Hi,</p><p>I am interested in building the similar schematic. I am wondering if the schematic is similar with the AC motor controller?</p>
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<p>Do you have a ballpark estimate of how much the total bill of materials costs? I don't need an exact number.</p>
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<p>Hello,</p><p>I was wondering why the ferrite toroids for the coupling transformer are so large?! Wouldn't it be better to have toroids with a smaller diameter to reduce magnetic losses?!</p>
<p>Magnetic losses occur more with smaller toroids because magnetic saturation occurs faster with a smaller amount of iron</p>
Ok, it makes sense...thank you for your reply.
<p>By the way, I would have another question if you don't mind...maybe you have an idea.<br>I saw a comment from lavila540 on this page who ordered the following ferrite cores for his induction heater:</p><p><a href="http://www.mag-inc.com/company/news/new-4-inch--kool-mu-toroid" rel="nofollow">http://www.mag-inc.com/company/news/new-4-inch--ko...</a></p><p>But I would aim for those cores (with the P material):</p><p><a href="http://www.mag-inc.com/home/Advanced-Search-Results?pn=49725" rel="nofollow">http://www.mag-inc.com/home/Advanced-Search-Result...</a></p><p>where the inductance and permeability are much higher. But in the first case they call it the &quot;Kool Mu Permeability&quot;...so is there a difference with a &quot;normal permeability&quot;?! I am a bit confused...<br>What would be the most important characteristics to look at?<br><br>Thanks</p>
<p>do the ferrite cores have to be that large?, I am having difficulty finding any that big here in the UK</p>
<p>I bought mine last week from mag-inc. I`m in the US but, they might be able to ship. Seen some one e-bay too. </p><p>http://www.mag-inc.com/company/news/new-4-inch--kool-mu-toroid</p>
<p>Hello lavila540,<br>Have you finished your induction heater? Does it work well?<br>I was wondering why you chose these ferrite cores? Is it working well with these ones (no heating)? What is the most important characteristics to look at?<br>Do you think these ferrite cores might work as well:</p><p><a href="http://www.mag-inc.com/home/Advanced-Search-Results?pn=49725" rel="nofollow">http://www.mag-inc.com/home/Advanced-Search-Result...</a></p><p>I'm aiming for the P material. But comparing yours and these ones, the permeability and the inductance are much different...I am confused...<br></p>
<p>Greetings,</p><p>Is it possible to get the schematics emailed.</p><p>jeff@fd-intl.com</p><p>Thanks</p>
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Where is your scmatic? <br>I want to build a very small one
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<p>what is the current going into the tank? The capacitors I have found by Eurofarad have been rated around 150 amps max. After the current is stepped up by the coupling transformer won't the current exceed this?</p>
<p>Not sure if you know, but if not then your work has been stolen:<br><a href="http://ofslides.com/bwang-546040/presentation-1019981">Check here</a><br>Brooklytonia found the website and opened a thread about it in the forum as well.<br>However, if that is something you published there yourself forget about it ;)</p>
<p>I'm wrong-1,800,000 VAR=1,800KVAR.If I'm getting 400 amps to the work head than the tank circuit should have unreal current in it,I can't even calculate it!</p>
<p>My system will be operating at 30khz with 1.92 microhenry work coil with 1/2&quot; tubing I believe I will sweat 56% Silver solder onto .This F0 will not over drive the IGBT's and create great penetration.I Should have many thousands of amps in work coil with Q of 126 icrease in input tank current.</p>
<p>I'm building my system around 4 600 amp Powerex's and BG1A gate drivers.I have a 16 tap 800KVAR workhead.My main tank capacitor is 15uf at 6kv,300amp oil filled capacitor rated at 1,800,000KVAR,weighs about 30 pounds! I am driving the inverter with a 130 vdc at 400 amp military grage generator and a 60 hp Suzuki samari engine.This gives me This gives me 52,000 or 52 kiolwatts of power to work with.This should defiately smelt a little steel?</p>
<p>Okay, bare with me because electronics is far from my field of expertise, and I have a few questions I'm hoping someone can help answer. </p><p>First, why is it necessary to have a rectifier (its not really mentioned) if we are just going to reconvert the signal back to AC? I'm guessing that a DC source is needed for the input to the IC which is the oscillator which then drives the gate drives, the power stage and eventually the tank circuit. That being said it also appears that the rectifier is wired directly into the IGBTs, is it necessary to use DC to drive these? Am I on the right path with any of this? </p><p>Second, it's stated that the the frequency and dead time of the oscillator can be controlled, but how exactly? How is the frequency of the AC current in the tank circuit actually controlled? </p><p>Lastly, what is the function of the input capacitor and why is it necessary? There's no mention of it other than in the picture at the beginning. </p><p>If anyone could take the time to explain these things to me I would really appreciate it. </p>
<p>Going another direction, I want to anneal brass tubing. I'm *trying* to build something that will heat rifle cases to around 750*F. without over annealing them, and do it in a very short period of time so I can maintain production volume.</p><p>This takes a coil that is open enough for the brass to enter on a belt/conveyor and exit the same way, so the coil is longer, oval with the ends bent up to allow for brass to pass into the induction coil, and out of the induction coil as it proceeds down the production line.</p><p>I CAN regulate the belt speed through the coils... And I can get the coils very close to the brass, but what I'm having an issue with is the amount of brass moving on the line (Mass) and building an inductor with enough power to make the brass reach the designated 750*F.</p><p>With rifle brass, It's a pretty good conductor, so it doesn't heat as fast as steel, and I'm not trying to anneal the entire brass, just the top 3/4&quot; or so... But production still puts a lot of brass in the coils at one time, so the heating is VERY slow, which leads to thermal transfer down into the case body/bottom, which I DO NOT want. I would rather the sides/bottom stayed under 450*F.</p><p>I'm considering a water bath for the bottom of the cases, which is going to add more mass and slow the induction heating of the top of the brass...</p><p>Since this is for a high volume competition shooter (100K rounds/year), and not a business, I would be glad to pay a REASONABLE amount of money for someone that can help address these issues.</p><p>I've seen the high volume MANUFACTURERS have induction heaters that would knock out the entire process in just 3 or 4 seconds, I'm not looking for something that draws 440 volts AC and spins the electric meter off the side of the garage, but I would consider 220 VAC single phase, providing the unit works efficiently and doesn't cost a fortune to build or operate...</p><p>Anyone got any ideas how to build something that doesn't bust the bank?</p>
<p>I'm sorry to disappoint you a little bit, but there's one caveat to your water bath plant: all the copper alloys are not only good electrical conductors, but good heat conductors as well (there's a reason why all the high-quality heatsinks are made either from pure copper or aluminium with a copper core just above the CPU). Thus if you'd add water to any parts of the brass casing, you'd make it even harder for it to heat up to your desired temperature of 750 &deg;F, because water is a VERY good coolant (it has one of the highest heat capacities of all the fluids).</p><p>Since there seem to be no 3-phase electric outlets installed in US homes at all for some strange reason, I'd recommend you obtain some REALLY high amperage outlets for this project (a 100A one would get you reasonably close to the 30 kVA mentioned in the project). Moreover I'd also consider lowering the frequency a tad bit (no more than 10-20 kHz tops), get a bit smaller pipes, wind them in very close loops (while making sure that the loops are adequately insulated from each other e.g. by a lacquer) and wind multiple loops on top of each other (this increases inductance a LOT). All of these things (and probably quite a few others folks more knowledgeable about this topic than me perhaps know about) are just tweaks though: the main issue is that you MUST deliver more energy to your brass cases than necessary for heating them. Frankly if I were you I'd just use some heating elements instead.....</p>
<p>Im thinking if i skipped the rectifier in this, could i power the bridge directly with a 3 phase, 400V stick welder with some unknown DC output at 150A. ??</p>
<p>Not that I'm aware of. I'm not sure whether there are any welders on the market that could supply 30 kVA of power. Even on 400V (3-phase) level that's 75 amps. On the voltage levels typical for welders (like those 20-40 volts mentioned above) you'd need the welder to supply AT LEAST 750 amps (not accounting for conversion losses of course). It goes without saying that such welders (if they even exist) are ridiculously expensive. So expensive in fact that you'd be better off even commissioning some freelancer (or a local EE student) to build this PLUS paying the whole BoM than buying an appropriate welder that'd supply the required power.</p>
<p>Not really. Welder voltage too low and not stable at all (usually 70 or so volts with no load and 20-40v at that 150A). Sure you can run 350v-400vdc circuits on 35-40vdc but at only 1% the power since then it will also be at 1/10 the current. 300 VA might get a small 1/4-20 screw hot, but why build all this just to do that? That's like buying a Ferarri but never driving over 55mph.</p>
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<p>How much steel can I melt say if i make a crucible for it and keep all the heat in can I melt 40kg of steel</p>
<p>not with 30kVA. Maybe 10kg and that takes some doing like vacuum insulation (impractically expensive as the ceramic material has to hold a vacuum as well as withstand 3000F). For 40kg might as well stick to an acetylene-fueled kiln.</p>
<p>But i asked in a place on the internet that sells induction furnaces from 10 to 100+ KW and he says that with 15KW you can melt 40kg of steel but it takes longer obviously i am gonna make a good crucible for insulating, but is there anyway i can turn this into a say 30KW and what about acetylene fueled kiln whats that is that like propane and forced air can i melt 40kg of steel with that or do, whats the difference between propane and acetylene</p>
<p>The internet lies.... regularly.... please fact check. And Punctuate....PLEASE!</p><p>Acetylene: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylene." rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylene.</a></p><p>10kw vs 100kw will be very different... both in construction and price tag.</p><p>40 kg is roughly 88 lbs. You're basically melting a large German Shepherd or a reasonably fit 5th grader... That much VOLUME is going to need a VERY large crucible...a cylinder roughly 6&quot; in Diameter by 10&quot; tall...ish... not quite 3 gallons of molten steel....(http://www.aqua-calc.com/calculate/volume-to-weigh...</p><p>I've never seen a crucible that big for sale...</p><p> and that Crucible will need industrial grade insulation...Think: Aerogel. Quantity+Performance=Cost....</p><p>The setup can scale bigger, but most homes won't have the facilities necessary for handling any larger amperage, without some modding of the main distribution panel... (and a $1k+ permit)</p><p>I think you may need to examine a more cost effective method for handling that much steel. consider multiple melts?</p><p>What's the underlying purpose? why does it have to be 40kg? does it all need to be liquid at once? perhaps pre-purchasing materials and fabricating via fasteners may be your best bet....?</p>
<p>40 kg is roughly 88 lbs. You're basically melting a large German Shepherd or a reasonably fit 5th grader HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :) <br>well I can make my own crucible but for the power source IDK <br>yes 40 kg because I want to make my own anvils and weight plates but say in one batch to make 4 10kg ETC you get the point <br>but how much is 30KVA in KW</p>

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