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A Different Kind of Third Hand

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I often solder things to other things -- well we all do, I suppose, but sometimes these things need a bit of pressure to stay together while being soldered, and the traditional third hand, which holds your work while you hold the soldering iron and solder, doesn't do that very well.  I remembered a few years ago when I took a flame-working class at the Crucible, learning how to work with molten glass. In that technique, the torch was fixed (pointing away from me) and I used both hands to hold the glass rods I was working on.  I realized I wanted a fixed soldering iron, and to be able to use both hands to hold the work.

Turns out it was trivially easy to make a soldering iron holder out of a couple pieces of scrap wood, some screws, and a "spring grip" -- one of those spring grabby things you can push a broom handle into to hold it in place against a wall.  Tools: saw, screwdriver, drill.
 
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Step 1: Cut the wood

You need one piece of wood in a triangle shape.  I also wanted a base, so I could clamp the holder to the table, but you could bolt it down permanently if you prefer.  I used a bit of 2x4 and some 1/4" plywood scrap.

You do want to assemble the finished tool so it holds your soldering iron at a good working angle, but doesn't obstruct the cord of it.  I found that 45 degrees was too much, and used an angle closer to 30 degrees.  The base only needs to be big enough to screw the triangle to it, and have some stick out for the clamp to attach to.
yopauly2 years ago
Beats the crappy little stand that might come with a soldering iron. I'll make something like this but make it heavy enough to stay put. I have some 3/8 inch plate scrapes kicking around.........
As an electrical engineer and someone who works with soldering irons extensively, I can tell you that this is a very bad idea for a couple different reasons:

1) It is extremely easy to burn yourself. You have around 6 inches of 500-700 degree hot metal exposed in such a way that it's easy to drag your hand or arm across it when reaching for something or not paying attention.

2) If your rig gets knocked over accidentally, there is no barrier between the iron and whatever lies beneath it. It's a major fire hazard. Your soldering iron should be kept in the stand (like this: http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brands/CF_Files/model_detail.cfm?upc=037103161093) whenever it isn't being held in your hand.

If you are having issues soldering, you should use a third hand (like this: http://www.amazon.com/Helping-Third-Magnifier-Magnifying-Glass/dp/B0015YJV7S).
hello,
in this case there is a small change that will limit any risk of fire to 0, will be added on the upper side of a base Dimess identical to that of the foot on the oblique face , preferably aluminium, with the clamp , if the base falls to the side, the soldering iron has very little chance of igniting anything because it may bow to one side or the other but will go no touching surface !!
There is also the bench clock that supportte of very high temperature, since it is used for brazing , I am designer models reduced, and  I use it without any worries. 
J-M
Not as an Electrical Engineer, but as a normal human being who also happens to work with soldering irons whenever a project calls for them, I can tell you that this is a normal idea with a reasonable amount of danger for a couple of reasons.

1. If you use a soldering iron for more than 10 seconds, you know it is hot. If you don't, chances are you will burn yourself at least once, and then you will learn to be more careful. Learning is the point of life.

2. If your rig gets knocked over accidentally, you will most likely be the cause of it and you will quickly right it so that you won't damage your table. You won't stare at it as it begins to char and/or melt whatever surface it is on for the 10 seconds or so that it would require for the iron to do any signifigant damage.

If you are having issues knowing when a reasonable amount of care has been taken care of to know that this project is as safe as it can be while still working with tools, please realize that you are trying to help but you are coming across as a little bit of an annoying know-it-all throwing around degrees that nobody can verify or claims that mean nothing on the Internet where nobody has to prove anything.
Sorry if I seemed like a know it all. I've had "Bring the tool to the part, not the part to the tool" in drilled into my head in every shop class I've taken and at my job at a fab shop during high school. Fires are also a huge danger with soldering irons. I didn't know until I found this about a couple years ago when I was looking up curling-iron-fire statistics: http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/PDF/TorchesFactSheet.pdf


Thanks for the cautionary words - you really can't rate safety too highly. If people don't want to listen and are willing to deal with any adverse consequences, that's fine, but it's good for people to hear an adage like "bring the tool to the part."

As a professional glassblower for many years, I certainly did my share of unsafe things because time or other pressing needs dictated. And sometimes from ignorance or sheer stubbornness or because I felt like it. Just as a cautionary tale, I had my share of adverse consequences from taking these risks, fairly severe electrocution being the worst among them. But you gotta do what you gotta do. And sometimes you learn not to do it. Hopefully being still alive and whole on the other side of that lesson! ;-D

Also, hopefully nobody here will be among the percentage of those who start fires or end up in the ER. We all know how much it sucks to spend time in ER, and you really don't want a fire, not even a little one, in your house. And if you have kids, or old folk, or pets - anyone who can't easily evacuate a burning structure or could be harmed by smoke inhalation - then please think harder before taking risks.
as someone who once thought about being an electrical engineer and soldered a lot but decided being a welder would be more fun with less school and pay about the same. i normally solder at closer to 400º F or under and i generally just put my soldering iron in a vice, i have never burnt myself but it is extremely useful especially for desoldering stuff.
As an Electrical Engineer and someone who used to work with soldering irons quite a bit and who owns 3 different irons - I love this idea.

I do not have the above referenced holder, I'd like to get one, but never remember to order one when I'm getting parts from DigiKey or Jameco. Right now my irons simply get rested on the bench, sometimes with a random nearby heavyish object holding the cord down so it does not roll off the bench or have the tip drop down onto the bench.

This is a wonderful, quick, inexpensive DIY solution that will be a whole lot safer than what I'm doing now.

When my next brilliant idea earns my fortune, I will invest in a solder station complete with fume extractor, till then, a dollar broom clip will do nicely.

Lazy Glen
aspir8or3 years ago
Great idea. I need one of these, but I'd also like a similar base for my dremel, so I'm going to try to design a dual usage holder, bench space being at a premium here. i don't think one of those broom clips will work as the iron and dremel have different size handles. Rather than design my own clamp, which will probably require far more work and tools to build, turning this simple but effective design into a not-so-handyman's nightmare, I'm going to haunt hardware stores, plumbers and builder's supplies where something simple and adaptable to replace the broom clip is sure to be found. It will have to be rock steady and tight as well to keep the dremel from loosening from vibration.

If I find a suitable clamp i'll post an -ible (which will be my first). Meanwhile, does anyone know of an adjustable clamp (say 5/8" - 1 3/4") and where to get one? I'll be most grateful to save shoe leather, though looking through hardware and suchlike stores is never a waste of time, even if you walk out empty-handed.
Just as a thought on the adjustable clamps that you are looking for, look into the electrical conduit section of the hardware store. A u-bolt could be used by varying the amount of tightness of the bolts to fit the object being mounted, or check out the Kindorf line of straps and clamps.
Good luck in your search and let us know how it comes out
Dan
I'll be looking for something cheap, quick and easy to use, maybe something recycled. An old pair of ski boot clamps keeps coming to mind. Trouble is I live in a never snows area, so finding an old ski boot presents a problem. The u-bolts are a possibility. Maybe the type with a stepped crosspiece ala the type used on car exhaust pipes may work. Thanks for the ideas, but mostly thanks to Rachel for the original simple but brilliant idea. Now where's that patent application :-)
Use a piece of pvc pipe (bigger diameter tan both tools) and a large bolt as the "clamp".
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How about 1 or 2 hose clamps attached to the holder. Sized to fit the Dremel tool, with a 2 piece bushing that would "grow" the soldering iron so it would be roughly the same size as the Dremel.

Lazy Glen
peu1233 years ago
Duhhhh, Same here, just thought it was a holder (I use a large glass ashtray, great fit).
Cool and simple idea.
profpat3 years ago
so nice! but here in the Philippines we dont have that kind of spring clamp..maybe i will improvise then post it the picture here..
rachel (author)  profpat3 years ago
Please do! I'd love to see what other technique you come up with.
jiovine3 years ago
I do a fair amount of soldering. So when I see a new tool that has potential, I take a look. I like this Instructable. But I think the soldering iron is being held upside down. So I corrected this feature and built my own in about 15 minutes, with the tip pointed down.

I'll put this up as an Instructable shortly.

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rachel (author)  jiovine3 years ago
I think this is probably an even better arrangement! As I mentioned in the intro, I was inspired by the way a flameworking torch is positioned, and it didn't occur to me that the soldering iron might work better with a different orientation. So I just tried it, and turns out that I can just put the soldering iron in my stand the other way 'round, and it works fine! If I have a large piece of work I need to use it for, I would probably have to cut away some of the wood to leave a larger empty area, as yours has.

This is why I love posting things here, they are immediately improved on. I'm adding a pic and comment to this Instructable. Thanks!
jiovine rachel3 years ago
jiovine says:
I've done some flame work and glass blowing myself. So when I read your description I immediately knew what you were talking about. I already modified and fixed up my prototype (from the picture). I'm keeping the tool on my work bench to see how often and when it will come in handy.

When I'm finished playing with the design, I'll put up an Instructables myself.

Best!
Great Idea! Thanks for posting.
chaosrob3 years ago
You should of made your comment on pic3-intro,
"this is the INVISIBLE 4th hand holding the clip. I can't make an -ible on that one... can't you SEE!"

great -ible
studiobil3 years ago
Great idea!

But... JIovine is right... it's better the other way round!!!

but what the hey, who care if you grab the wrong end!!!

:0) oh dear... my sick little joke slipped in there...

anyway... I'm making one too!
Pattianne283 years ago
Years wise I am almost ancient. Grew up with a Dad who could and did make Everything. Am lifelong artist among other things and carve wood with power tools and make jewelry. I like the third hand bit, hey, That is Why there are vises among other things. Sometimes when carving I Would Like to hold the wood and use the tool.

TWO IDEAS: The 'HAND' should be FIXED as in Screwed or bolted down and remember vibration loosens both unless you want to solder That.

YES the dangers mentioned DO exist BUT my idea is that the tool USE SURFACE / END should NOT point Down toward a surface But instead be installed near the EDGE of the surface so that you stand in OPEN SPACE with room to 'jump back or away' if anything goes wrong. AND Every time you use this (am going to make one and Bolt it to my steel work bench for my dremel and mini grinder and maybe another that will hold my heavy Right Angle grinder when using the chain saw blade) CHECK THE TOOL IS SECURE AND WON'T SLIP IF JARRED, just because it was OK Last time doesn't mean it will be Next time.

Just my thoughs...and as someone who was an RN I keep a first aid kit AND cell phone close at hand when working. So far thanks to a good leather apron & Respirator with face shield no major problems! Pattianne
rhino3 years ago
Hooray! Great idea. I have been using a desktop microphone holder for my soldering iron. This will be much steadier.
criggie3 years ago
I just use a bench vice for the same purpose. Works fine.
peu1233 years ago
Nice, however I would be a bit afraid to have the hot tip sort of "up in the air" and get burnt. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the tip facing downwards and turn the wood piece 180 degrees?
While this would reduce the chances of getting burnt, it would also prevent any possibility of solder running down to the handle. One could even make a small grove on the wood to accommodate the cable. Just a thought.
johncar peu1233 years ago
Pointing up means the heat rises and thus to the soldering point, much better than pointing down, which would cause the heat to rise to the handle and away from the solder point.

I would think that a bulldog clip would also do fine for the holder.
Convection currents (ie heat rises) only occur in fluid substances like water or air. The heat will remain distributed exactly the same inverted as it would being held normally.

The reason "heat rises" is because substances expand when they get hot. Because they expand, they get lighter per unit volume than the cooler substance around them. Because they are "lighter', they float upwards in a fluid. In a gas or a liquid (both fluids), particles are allowed to move freely, which means the heat can rise. In a solid, the particles don't move around, meaning the heat stays put.
ndinitz peu1233 years ago
Another problem which could possibly occur with your proposed setup is an accidental bump of the iron and the hot tip burning the wood below and if not noticed soon enough, causing a fire... just my 2cents.
so if you’re going to bump into it, the question is: would you rather burn yourself, or the wood?
thinkdunson3 years ago
truly a no duh moment for me.
it doesn’t seem possible that no one has marketed something like this because i would have seen it years ago and bought one in an instant.
it’s just not something i would have ever thought i needed until i saw it exist.
and now i will certainly have to make one before i can possibly use my soldering iron again.

thanks for sharing.
blomeclown3 years ago
Just took a break from a project, saw this instructable and built it. Took all of 10 minutes. The clamp was holding a broom in the garage and I'll have to spring for 95 cents to replace it. Will probably be using this more often than the third hand as it's making my current project go much faster. Thanks for the idea.
Azayles3 years ago
I usually hold my soldering iron in my teeth (by the friendly end, not the business end) while tinning wires etc.
Something like this would be infinitely better, and could possibly save me from a Darwin Award Honourable Mention :P
A piece of the rubber 'drawer liner' under the base would keep it from moving if bumped.

If you have a work be ch with hole for clamp stops, instead of a flat base you could drill the mount for a dowel pin on the bottom. That way you cloud you could slip the dowel into the hole in your bench.

EXCELLENT TOOL project.

There should be a contest......
munkless3 years ago
Nice. At first I thought you used it to clamp things together so you could solder, but using it for the iron itself is ingenious! Have you tried screwing/anchoing the holder to your work surface? I could see bumping it and ending up with a hot iron in your lap.
tom tom3 years ago
I built one of these many years and always wanted to write an article for an electronics magazine. I had several other ideas, but never got around to them. Anyway , my design was for a holder for small hot glue gun. The idea was to keep glue from spilling all over the work bench. No idea to help us should be ignored.
foxy1paco3 years ago
This is an absolutely wonderful idea! Reverse helping hands.
adrian.robb3 years ago
Ahh, I get it now :) I thought it was just a holder (for when it's not being used) at first - great idea!
godofal3 years ago
nice one!
especially the floating picture, looks awesome xD
Beenay253 years ago
Excellent idea :)
Where did you buy the spring clip? I'm having trouble finding one...
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