Step 8: 4 way Speakers

Be practical, I built this enclosure because I had already done a similar one before, the entire box is made of mdf, except the parts of the sides for this I use a thick cardboard some nail substitute glue which is very strong and flexible, the port is made of a sink tube, the pair of spring clips are very inexpensive and do not buy polyfill use pillow polyfill instead, the chrome bolts are there for appearance but it definitely has lot's of wood screws. Great sound, great treble and middle and good bass. obviously have to use a spring clip for each driver. finally sand, prime and paint...
<p><em> I like your idea of reusing the tower case to house the head unit as well as keeping the fan as the head unit does get quite warm (be sure to remove the cover from the head unit to increase air flow). In my shop I would like to use an ATX to power my audio as well, right now I have a mechless Clairion head unit powered by a car battery/solar trickle charger pushing a surround sound set of speakers and a sub. The only problem I'm running into is the &quot;Yellow&quot; wire you mentioned in the beginning, that's for supply to memory for clock, audio settings and channel memory. How do I maintain 12vdc on that circuit when the head unit and the ATX are powered down? It would be nice if inside the head units circuitry the ground circuit was separate from the main power circuit then a set of CR32 batteries could be installed on the yellow wire. Any suggestions???</em></p>
I know this is an old comment but I feel an easy way to supply a constant source would be to wire in a small 12 volt battery from a motorcycle or lawn mower. If your using this computer case design there should be plenty of room. I do not know if you would need to wire a charge circuit or if the 12 volt line off the atx psu would charge the battery on its own. Essentially the battery would act like a giant capacitor that will hold the radio's saved settings.
<p>Nice job! :) I am almost there too, but at the moment I have PSU connected to car stereo. And there is an issue already. Through the speakers there is loud noise - audio volume doesn't affect it. Noise is there when I play music from my laptop using 3.5 audio cable And laptop is connected to the mains for charging.</p><p>I think that's what's called ground loop noise. And people suggest buying ground loop isolators for audio cables (typically RCA). Or one can build it with two 600 Ohms transformers with 1:1 ratio. <br>But! People also say that it reduces audio quality. Which I would like to avoid if I can. <br><br>I also read somewhere that using two ping laptop charger (in UK it's three pins for eeeeverything) would eliminate noise as well.. sound not right.. I want my laptop safe I guess..</p><p>SO. I wonder could I break my ground loop where I connect PSU to Car Stereo (12v and ground)?</p><p>Any suggestions?</p>
<p>Just a note to let you know I have added this instructable to the collection: <br>Encyclopedia of ATX to Bench Power Supply Conversion <br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.instructables.com/id/Encyclopedia-of-ATX-to-Bench-Power-Supply-Conversi/" rel="nofollow">http://www.instructables.com/id/Encyclopedia-of-ATX-to-Bench-Power-Supply-Conversi/</a><br>Take a look at about 70 different approaches to power supply part of this project.<br> </p>
this helped me alot. thnx man. it was a little bit hard to follow, but i managed. since i dont have a car, i had the stereo and i put it in my old comp case. heres some pics. its not finished yet, im going to add a cover, lights, some plexi glass, and probably a few fans and usb ports. oh, and ill add a switch when i get the chance.
Look's really nice, you managed to do a pretty clean job, I think the difficult part has already been done and there's no instructable for what's left. I'm glad it helped you ;-)
i just have one question (so far, lol), does your power unit shutdown if you crank up the stereo too high with too much bass and loudness? i just found out mine will do that if i turn up the volume too high. im assuming the stereo is requesting too much power from the atx unit and there is a sensor that shuts it off. help
Yes, your psu shutdown to protect itself from burning out, I used a 350 or 400 watts psu I don't exactly remember, and it never happened to me, but i recommend you use at least a 400 watts psu to ensure estability, or use more efficient speakers so that you get more db with less power. But i think it's cheaper and better to get a new psu. Sorry for answering so late.....
just wanted to update some of my progress.<br><br>
why doesnt anyone on here use pro audio and seperates to run speakers?&nbsp; in any case scenario i have put my crown amp purchased online for under 300 up against anything and a couple adapters to run it but it out does anything i try.&nbsp; a car stereo sounds good because it is using your trunk and car to help reproduce sound.&nbsp; it is powered by a battery because it has to be because it is in your car.&nbsp; it is in no way better for in home use then something made for a home.&nbsp; why would you go through the trouble of doing all of this when the outcome will no matter what be worse then if you do it right?&nbsp;
Well, i guess I'll have to check a couple of your instructables to get an idea on how to &quot;do it right&quot;. Thanks for your comment....
&nbsp;id use a normal home amplifier doing it this way complicates things and lowers sound quality. makes things much easier and can be done for the same price
A simple power supply could be a car battery charger. I got a 10amp battery charger running my new car radio in my room and it works perfectly fine. Also running a 250w amp of it with two 10" mtx subwoofers.
im sure it sounds horrible or may even be damaging your 250watt amp. First off ampsXvolts equals watts. therefore a assumed 250watt amp would need approximately about 20 watts just to push the amp at its max rated 250watts. plus a radio which generally can need about 20 amps of power nrigning your total to 40 amps at 12 volts. these are approximate numbers. so you dont even have enough power to push just the radio much less a highly overheating 250watt amp at its minimum.
first off i hope you know that a 250 Watt amp is the max, only about 25-50 Watt RMS per channel.im not using the amp and radio. and i know the math because im in a bit of electronic classes this year and last year. it starts to distort at about 8-9 amps, which is about 96-108 Watts which is already above the RMS of my amp. all i was trying to state is that you could use a car battery charger as long as u got a smaller amp and you possibly do a little math. BUT yes i do under stand what your trying to say.<br /> <br /> PS: there is no sound difference(no distortion or anything).<br />
well actually only a badly made amp would rms at 25-50 watts when the stated power is 250watts. generally on a high quality amp like mtx audio, kicker, rf, etc. you looking at app. half of the total max wattage of the amp. the rms is generally the wattage at which the amp operates at optimum effeciency. so im assuming this amp is proably some boss audio or somthing that states 250watts when it has&nbsp; 10 amp fuse in it limitig it to a max of 120 watts. im not saying your wrong , your right, but in my opinion a power supply like a atx computer power supply of decent quality and about 500 watts would push a car audio amp of a reall 250 watts, that is if the 12volt rail has around 24 amps on it. and if it has dual 12volt volt rails at this amperage then you have a decent system in you bedroom.
i was just guessing on the RMS. its a sony xplod 250W amp XM-502Z.<br /> specs are here:<a href="http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4541641">www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do</a><br /> i have the sony xplod 1000W&nbsp; XM-2165GTX in my car but i also had it wired in my room the way this one is. just when turned on it was using 5 amps but it still got loud enough for my room with just 2 sony stereo speakers.<br /> specs are here:<a href="http://www.crutchfield.com/s_158XM2165/Sony-XM-2165GTX.html?tp=14">www.crutchfield.com/s_158XM2165/Sony-XM-2165GTX.html</a><br /> <br />
&nbsp;i'm not certain but i think a pc psu would be more efficient though...
In regards to your internal antenna problem, you could try making a fractal antenna and put that on the inside. I made one(from an instructable) for my HDTV and it works great (mind you, it's not actually inside the tv). They use fractals in cellphones now. That's why you don't see antennas sticking out anymore. Just a thought. BTW i'm going to use your instructable at some point. I'm still accumulating parts. Thanks!
i know its getto but all i did was stuck a 3.5mm headphone jack in the antenna spot with the headphones still attached and it made and awesome antenna, gets pretty good reception.<br />
I'm thinking on changing the hole case and making a smaller enclosure where the source and head unit barely fit. so if I do that, I'm definitely searching for that Instructable. Thanks..
I used this and man now i have one hell of a system
interesting! i'd like to do something like this with a 12-volt satellite radio, not to mention 12-volt lights. i knew that old power supply would be good for something! is the wiring color of the ATX power supplies standardized regardless of manufacturer?
the wires in any computer PSU are completely standard from any mfgr.. you can use the radio on 12V line, but i recommend using led lighting on the 5V line. they'll be plenty bright and use wayyyyy less power
i'm sorry, but i'm easily confused by electricity-speak; are you suggesting that i run my 12-volt lights on the 5-volt line? although i do have some 12-volt LEDs, i was thinking more of small incandescents: automotive brake lights, outdoor lighting, Christmas lights amounting to 12v, and such.
sorry.<br/>most ov the power on the <strong>12V</strong> line will be taken by the <strong>stereo</strong>.<br/>you dont want to <strong>overload</strong> your PSU so...<br/>you should use regular (&gt;5V)<strong> led</strong>s with some resistors on the <strong>5V</strong> line<br/>
thanks for the clarification, Mike! yeah, i've got more than one PSU, so i could dedicate one to the satellite radio/stereo and one on a timer to some of my 12V lights. i do need to learn more about resistors and such so i could branch out and do something with the >5V LEDs like you mention. gotta force myself over that learning hump!
I'll guess yes, but I'm not really sure about that, you could use a mutimeter to verify it. But remember that the highest current you can get from a power source is 12 volts, so in case you get the wrong current you won't damage your radio, it just won't start. Good luck with that ! ! ! ! !
sorry to be a neigh-sayer, but the higest <em><strong>voltage</strong></em> you can get from a PSU is 12V. the highest <em><strong>current/amperage</strong></em> you can get is usually around 10A-15A on the 12V line. (depending on PSU wattage) <br/><br/>most car stereos will have an inline fuse on the red and yellow wires. check the rating of the yellow fuse and check the label on the PSU to see if it can put out more current (A) than the stereo requires, on the 12V line<br/>
Constructive criticism is always welcome when it comes from the right person, in this case the right person is that one with vast knowledge of the subject, so feel free to comment...
Oh My God. I had the exakt same idea some weeks ago. I always wanted to use a car stereo at home. But i want to install it neatly into my desk :) Your instructable is shure gonna help out alot with that task. Now i just need to find some new speakers hmm
Hope it does, since researching is a really interesting part of creating an instructable. You just can never have enough knowledge.....and patience :-D
true that, i was gonna do somethin like this a while ago for my senior project, ut i was too lazy to cut out enough room for the head unit. I may give it a try now though
i think it's a good project but it could've been better, no regrets though.
to clarify - keep the PC working as well. I know you can get cards and sound systems to plug into the computer, but again, to reuse and fiddle with bits to make some thing.
f3rg case was a Lian-Li PC-75 that's the reason it fit so nicely, but as you can see, in my project it barely fit, you can see the gaps on the sides of the head unit, you'll have to find the right case (a wider one) or maybe you can place it vertically. I think it's posible to do it but you need to find the right case and psu before you start.
excellent. I've always wondered about doing this but never thought that deeply into the 'how to". great work. say, could you install a car stereo into a working PC tower and thereby have radio, inout, mega amplifier ,etc? doing this so as to re-use an old car stereo that might otherwise become landfill.
If anyone is interested in modifying a PC case to hold a car stereo along with a full PC, I did such a project back in 2003:<br/><br/><a rel="nofollow" href="http://one9.us/blog/projects/big-brother">http://one9.us/blog/projects/big-brother</a><br/><br/>I used a normal power supply at the time, so I could keep constant power on to the stereo with the PC turned off (for keeping settings/time and allowing the faceplate to rotate open and closed), but I wish I'd known I could have just converted a computer PSU to do the trick.<br/>
BTW, I used the stereo's built-in amp to power some speakers on my desk, and I simply ran a cable from my PC's Audigy soundcard to the AUX-IN on the head unit. I also received FM radio and was able to play my old MiniDiscs if I felt like it.
That was sweet, what happened to it? that was definitely a huge case, at first sight I thought it was a server, guess the PC and the head unit worth it, though my Instructable it's just about music no PC except for the case. As an advice, I always try to find as much information as I can before starting a project...
I ended up selling the case to some guy on Craigslist after it spent a couple years in my closet. The case was a Lian-Li PC-75, which was basically large enough to be a server case, but I used the extra room inside for the case stereo and a bunch of cooling fans (as you can see on its top). It was a great project and I loved it, but I got bored after a year or two, and decided to build a super quiet case with zero external mods. The big Lian-Li was retired until I finally sold it.
Projects come and go, the important thing is not to stop your mind, and keep working on new ideas. Cheers....

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