Air powered bicycle. by saul
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A hybrid pushbike / compressed air powered bike.
 
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Step 1: Find and modify an air tank.

this is an old propane tank. this turns out to be a very bad idea. although the propane was emptied out, the really heavy mercapton (stinnky sulfur based molecules) were left in the bottom of the tank. even after 20 odd air refills, it still smells awful to run air from this tank. hence the nickname - "stinkbike"
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LiquidLightning says: Oct 18, 2011. 12:11 AM
Have the propane tank full of propane and use that. No combustion, just propane pressure. Don't fall. =D
BuildIt6000 says: Jul 22, 2011. 5:38 PM
The proper way to do this would be to build an air turbine engine and connect that to your tank. Modified tesla turbine maybe?
maboy says: Jul 22, 2011. 5:02 PM
Cool idea, but it looks like somesort of terrorist weapon :P
hoverbored says: Jul 11, 2011. 8:17 AM
Only looking to go about 5mi, to/from my carpool. Think this would make it on a 20Lb propane cylinder? How high a pressure might required?
punkrunner204 says: Feb 5, 2008. 5:20 PM
pretty fly.. ....for a white guy
the tech head says: Jul 10, 2011. 10:48 PM
nice (i love the offspring)
lpletikosic says: Jul 2, 2010. 11:00 AM
for how long can you drive this and do you still have to pedal
neutron7 says: Dec 6, 2008. 9:03 PM
when i take my propane tank to be refilled on my bike trailer, the car drivers are really polite.
kolopinko says: Nov 12, 2009. 5:07 PM
hahahha theres scared  to hit ya and blow ya up XD
uberdum05 says: Dec 24, 2008. 12:58 PM
You could use a big propane tank mounted to a trailer attached to the bike?
jssteinke says: Oct 17, 2009. 5:55 PM
thats what i would do!
wiml says: Jul 8, 2006. 12:21 PM
hey cool. can you run an air motor directly on 4000psi? I looked around on the net and most air motors (for things like pneumatic drills and such) seem to be designed for 80-100 psi, though they don't actually say you CAN'T run them at 4000psi. If you have to run the motor at 100psi, most of the energy stored in the tank is going to end up being dissipated in the regulator, and not being used by the motor. :(
randomray says: Aug 19, 2009. 7:02 PM
The regulator only throttles down the air it doesn't waste any , it just doesn't get used till you need it . If you tried it with out a regulator at that pressure there could be " problems " . If you do try it with out the the regulator let your friends know so they can step back just in case someone needs to call 911 . :-(
Wade Tarzia says: Dec 8, 2006. 12:19 PM
Yesss! Brings me back to the ancient days (ca. 1970) when cheap magazines advertised rocket-assist motors to attach to bicycles: we weren't able to order these -- not a bad thing I guess -- but the rest of life has beeb marked by haunting disappointment in the genre of bicycle modification. This helps.
Wade Tarzia says: Dec 8, 2006. 12:26 PM
PS -- I read, about 15 years ago, an article in a mechanical engineering journal about the use of compressed air power for automobiles. I think the authors experimented with a staged piston engine making maximum use of the air at two different pressures, one as it left the first stage, etc. They used very high pressure tanks, but the test car was impressive in its potential mileage -- I remember thinking that a motorcycle mught be ideal for this. You folk living near the coast can harness the power of the tides/waves to literally pump your vehicles full of energy for free! ;-) (except for high realestate prices :-(
randomray says: Aug 19, 2009. 6:49 PM
Good point about the pistons using different air pressures . Steam engines have used a staged pistons for about 100years or more . The optimal seems to be three steps . I have seen steam engines with pistons in sets of three with the same steam going from first one cylinder to the next and then the last . If it works for steam it will work with compressed air . When they set up live steam models inside for a convention they use air so they don't have all the water and heat in the hall .
Terrin says: May 29, 2008. 6:26 AM
This ideaidea is already a reality and products hopefully soon will be coming to market based on the concept.
exponent says: Jan 12, 2007. 6:38 AM
My step-dad worked on that project oddly enough.
Wade Tarzia says: Jan 18, 2007. 2:08 PM
Cool! Did they do anything further on it? Tell him that an English professor and former technical writer from Pratt & Whitney remembers his work over many other things from that time, it make him feel good (it would me) ;-)
dheerajsharma says: Aug 17, 2009. 11:30 PM
hello , i am from india and i am in an engineering college . i want to made a compressed air bike for my final year project. But i don't have enough information abbout it . i have some ideas but i am not capable to implement them so if any one have the research paper regarding the project . kindly send them to my email id. dheerajsharma0909@gmail.com dheerajsharma0909@yahoo.com
Spokehedz says: Jun 9, 2008. 8:16 AM
A small gear on the end of the air drill, connected to the chain of the bike would make a much more elegant solution. Just remember to add oil to the tool before each ride and you will be fine.

Also, an alternative would be to use Nitrogen tanks that the high-end paintball players use. They store the gas at much higher PSI than CO2 or air would ever be able to achieve.

They are also small, so you could have many of them in the same size area as your propane tank. More cylinders == more runtime. They also have quick-connect ends, which let you change them rapidly.

And, by their very nature, they have to have pressure release safety-valves installed in ALL tanks. So, no explosions.

How I would install them would be to get a bank of them (say 6) and mount them on the back of the bike like you have there. On the output of all the tanks, put a regulator. This is your primary regulator, and this is for two reasons.

1. Nitrogen is stored at a MUCH higher pressure than compressed air. So you will need a much beefier regulator than a standard air regulator--and they are usually not easily changed.

2. This will allow you to set a 'maximum speed' so you can figure out how long your nitrogen supply will last with the throttle-regulator 'wide open'. It will also let you be safe in the event that your throttle regulator gets stuck in the 'wide open' position.

3. It will allow you to use less high-pressure lines, which are expensive and not easily bent around the frame of the bike. Plus, the low pressure regulator is a lot cheaper and most of them are designed to be changed easily--so you can mount it up on the handlebars for easy speed setting.

4. Nitrogen is not affected by temperature and it won't 'freeze' up on you. Since it is a gas, there is no thermal expansion going on, and you get constant output--but the two regulator setup would have resolved that issue anyway. :P
Danish M1Garand says: Jul 10, 2009. 5:53 PM
Nitrogen in cylinders from the welding shop can be at 2015psi, 2500psi, or whatever the cylinder is rated for. My Scuba tanks are either rated for 2250psi or 3000psi. The new steel HP tanks are 3450psi, but I haven't bought one of these yet. The SCBA Carbon Fiber tanks for firefighting are used at 4500psi. These have such poor buoyancy curves between full and empty that they are seldom used for Scuba. N2 and Air can be stored at whatever the cylinder is rated for. 150psi to 4500psi makes no difference as air is 78% N2 anyway. N2 or air can indeed freeze up a regulator if not dead dry. This kills a few scuba divers when the air is not dry now and then. CO2 liquefies at a fairly low pressure. Air and N2 do not. CO2 expands quite a bit when it boils off to a gas.
vinnygx3pimp says: Oct 2, 2008. 3:28 PM
lol i didn't read your comment when i posted mine. we made the exact same points on nitrous
popcorn man says: Mar 1, 2009. 8:26 AM
nitrous is not the same as nitrogen!
Danish M1Garand says: Jul 9, 2009. 7:38 PM
Nice 'ible. Scuba tanks can be had for just under a hundred dollars used. Scuba can be had for 150 USD delivered or so. Scuba shops will fill for a non certified person if the tank has a sticker that says "NON BREATHING AIR". Paintball shops should have the sticker. You will still need a first stage scuba regulator. Oddball brands go cheap on FleaBay. The compressed air is from a Coal Fired compressor though. You do move the nonpoint pollution to a much more manageable point type pollution though.
wow-amazing says: Apr 24, 2008. 9:41 PM
Hmmm, you might want to try CO2 with multiple motors and make a mechanical drive. Just a suggestion. Or you could use a turbine, maybe a tesla. That would be interesting.
static says: Jun 7, 2009. 9:05 PM
A Tesla turbine would be more interesting, but a positive displacement motor should be more efficient at using the limited air supply. This IS a mechanical drive. :) Unless one is experiencing slippage to the point air is being wasted, simple should be just fine. What would be the advantage of using CO2, rather than compressed air?
wow-amazing says: Jun 7, 2009. 11:21 PM
You're right on that account, positive displacement is most efficient at low speeds, which is probably perfect for bicycle speeds, but tesla's are still very efficient, especially at higher speeds, where it's single moving part also factors into reliability. As for CO2, it can be pressurized to denser levels more easily. Someone said earlier that nitrous would compress much more, which would be good for more storage. It's kinda like the battery issue with electric vehicles; the drive system is perfect, but the battery needs to store more energy than it is. Realistically, compressed air would be better, but wouldn't go as far (I'd probably still use it anyway).
mannys9130 says: May 30, 2008. 12:03 PM
the whole reason someone would use compressed air would be to go green, instead of using a gas engine. why in the world would someone use one of the gases that is causing all of the trouble with global warming. we are trying to get rid of co2 not produce more. the compressed air is a way better idea then co2!
pindalanderz says: Mar 13, 2009. 9:37 AM
CO2 is more dense than air. that means it can't float up and deplete the ozone layer. it's like throwing a rock and having it magically float up and put a hole in the sky. the only way CO2 can dissipate (spread out and get off the ground) is if it dissolves in the air which makes it form a completely different compound. don't just believe what they say on the news, educate yourself. half of Al gore's movie was a computer generated model from the movie "the day after tomorrow".
starphire says: May 28, 2011. 6:21 PM
I agree: self-education is important, because misinformation can run rampant in the absence of full understanding of the issues.
Your analogy would be much more appropriate to the mixing process between CO2 and the atmosphere if you had instead chosen two miscible liquids with similar but slightly different densities, such as alcohol and water. Add some mixing forces, and the two materials quickly form a substantially uniform mixture which will only separate into distinct layers again after being left undisturbed for a while. Though in the real world, such complete separation will never actually occur.
Interestingly, the benchmark for global average CO2 levels comes from over 50 years' worth of measurements from a high mountaintop surrounded by thousands of miles of ocean (Mauna Loa, Hawaii), *precisely* because it is removed from local influences. To follow your analogy, all that CO2 we find mixed in the atmosphere at 10,000 feet ought to be pooling at sea level, concentrating to suffocating levels in populated valleys, etc. But no, surface measurements have always been in the same range (though more variable) as the Mauna Loa readings. Can you imagine an Earth where rocks float freely in the air at all altitudes, neither falling nor rising quickly?
But what really baffles me here is why you seem to think it matters *where* the CO2 is located in the atmosphere. Rising CO2 levels have nothing to do with depletion of the ozone, or vice versa. The "greenhouse effect" from CO2 comes from the fact that it blocks low-energy infrared (heat) energy that's reflected back from the *surface* of the planet wherever the sun is shining on it. So it's irrelevant whether the CO2 is near the surface or in the stratosphere - the heat energy is trapped instead of going back into space.
popcorn man says: Mar 1, 2009. 8:20 AM
I'm fairly sure compressed CO2 is extracted from the air, making it carbon neutral
Danish M1Garand says: Jul 9, 2009. 7:33 PM
Most of the CO2 you buy is waste from breweries. The yeast cells eat sugar and poo Ethanol and CO2. Other than a bit they save to make beer fizzy it is collected and sold for Soda Pop and Welding. Breweries also sequester (Pump it down a well 3k feet)a bit as a "service" at a price for coal fired power plants. Well it is "Carbon Neutral" as it is a grain byproduct except for all that deisel fuel used to plant the grain, harvest the grain, transport the grain to the elevator, transporting it from the elevator to the brewery......Wheh, I sure am glad that Biofuels will be "Carbon Neutral" LULZ Climate is cyclical over ages and ages. Lief Erickson cut trees in Iceland to build boats for his trip to Greenland and Vinland. No trees there today as it is still too cold for trees. Al Gore and company are looking at climate with a microscope and a stopwatch. Climate needs a calender and a telescope. Anthropogenic global warming is human centered hubris.
wow-amazing says: Jul 10, 2009. 11:42 AM
I never heard it put that way before. Something interesting I found is that the earth has 90,000 year periods of cold and 10,000 year periods of warm, and has been doing so for millions of years.
wow-amazing says: Mar 1, 2009. 9:36 AM
No man! They burn rubber and crap to get it!!! ; )
randomray says: Aug 19, 2009. 5:45 PM
No really they do get CO2 from breweries and other industrial sources , I worked in a liquid air plant for a few years and there isn't enough CO2 in the atmosphere to freeze it out . You get it from industrial processes . It doesn't matter if it causes global warming or not it is still bad to breath . God I hate this Global warming stuff it just gives polluters another excuse . Nitrogen is just taken out of the air you breath and compressed air ...nothing wrong with that .
wow-amazing says: May 30, 2008. 6:28 PM
I was saying you might use the compressed air to run a tesla turbine. A tesla turbine isn't a type of jet engine, it's just the power part, kinda like an axial flow turbine, but just a different type. And a lot more efficient (up to 95% efficiency), so you don't waste as much of the energy used to compress the air in the first place. See what I'm saying?
mannys9130 says: Jun 12, 2008. 6:01 PM
Your not talking about the c02 which what im talking about. I said, why would you use one of the gasses that we are trying to remove from the atmosphere. We are trying to reduce co2 emmisions, and no matter what kind of turbine or motor you use, the air will always be vented back into the atmosphere. We are trying to remove co2 from that atmosphere, which is why he made an AIR powered bike. If the air is vented back, it will do no harm. co2 will increase the green house effect. Do you see what I'M saying?
Mach5 says: Jun 19, 2008. 6:03 PM
I think by co2 he meant a c02 tank, filled with air.
Danish M1Garand says: Jul 10, 2009. 5:35 PM
No he meant CO2 from a welding shop. It is a liquid that boils off when the tank is tapped for a rather large expansion. 150 to 1 maybe. Yes I know that at 1atm CO2 has no liquid state. It sublimates from a solid straight to a gas. Compress it at several atm's however it liquifies. CO2 you buy is a byproduct of brewing. It simply releases Carbon the plant stored earlier as sugars and starches that are a result of Chlorophyll being acted upon by sunlight and atmospheric CO2. Of course that is not counting all the fossil fuels used in the production of the grain, brewing the grain, compressing the CO2, and then transporting the CO2 to the welding shop.
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