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Step 14: Final Comments

It may look strange to build an electronics project without a circuit board in this open wiring style. Old timers called it "rats nest" wiring, but despite the negative term it's perfectly OK.

If you construct it right, the wiring has enough strength to stand on its own and the box provides adequate shielding.I've used my mixers in the car and elsewhere with no problems for several years.

However, if you're worried about the open wiring, then you can always cover the bare wires & resistors with electricians tape, just make sure not to break something in the process. 

If you really wanted to make the mixer super rugged, you could fill the tin with epoxy, parafin or circuit-grade Silicone RTV.

Note: Don't use the regular Silicone RTV made for caulking and bathroom sealer. This stuff gives off acetic acid which will eat through your wires and ruin your project after a while. Circuit-grade Silicone RTV does not give off acid and is safe for wiring. I've read that GE Silicone II (available at home improvement stores) does not leach acid and also silicone RTV sold at automotive part stores labeled either 'Oxygen-sensor Safe' or 'Type B' should be OK.

I hope you are successful and get lots of good use out of this project, please let me know.

Rich

Made one and it works great. Thanks.
Wow, really nice job! Good idea to use resistor networks!<br /> <br /> Would you care to share the artwork?<br />
Jacks are Mouser 161-3508-E. Resistor networks are Mouser 652-4608X-1LF-1K 1k ohm. Other resistor values are available. Board was fabricated by ExpressPCB.com.
Can this image be used to have a board made or do we need the ExpressPCB file?
This is a 2 sided board and I don't know if the image is scaled correctly once you download it. I do have the ExpressPCB file if you want it. Email me at steve&quot;at&quot;PowerSwitchTail&quot;dot&quot;com.
<p>I noticed the connection to ground on both resistor arrays (last but one pin). The &quot;rats' nest&quot; desing seems to omit that. Could you explain why it matters?</p>
<p>The circuit board layout is chipmonger's and while I see what you mean, I don't know why he choose to tie those 2 resistors to ground -- I can't see that it serves any necessary function (also doesn't hurt anything). The resistor network he's using contains 8 resistors with a value of 1k Ohm each, all tied together on one side and connected to pin 1 (output signal in this case). Pins 2-9 are the other side of each resistor, which chipmonger is using as mixer inputs. He could've done 8 inputs, but only did 4, and needed one network for each stereo channel (L + R). So again, no idea why he choose to do that, but maybe he'll reply. Guaranteed it's not necessary though.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for the answer, I could not figure out its role either. Current would flow that way (i think) when an input is present, but there's nothing plugged into the output? I guess I'll build it as is and then make some measurments with a multimeter.</p>
Looks like a 2-sided board with the silkscreen mask drawn in so you would either need the file or just reproduce it on your own. It isn't mine and I don't have it. Maybe chipmonger would nice enough to provide if you asked.
Thanks for the artwork and again, really nice job!
<p>why did you put the resistors , can we do it with out them ?</p>
Please read FAQ on step 15. You can do anything you like, but unless you want to use this as a signal splitter, leaving out the resistors is a bad idea.
<p>It works!!!</p>
Hah! that's a crazy-looking tin, I like it! Good job, glad it worked.<br><br>Rich
I made a new passive mixer based on your ible. Thank you so much for the awesome instructions !
<p>that I can use my PC headphone output as input 1 &amp; a low level source as input 2? I know PC output is amplified, but thought you may have any suggestion. I know I can use car audio HI-Low adapter, but like to use your idea for a compact box, Thanks </p>
I would suggest just trying it first, if there is too big a difference in the input levels, you may need to lower the resistor values for the low level signal. You can do this either by replacing the resistors or by soldering resistors in parallel. The formula for the resulting resistance is (r1 x r2)/(r1 + r2)<br><br> Good luck
Great box! Thanks for sharing the pictures!<br> <br> Rich
<p>This was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for making the instructions clear and actually including a circuit diagram that wasn't made in MS Paint. It works perfectly for what I need, and every input comes out the other end crystal clear, even when multiple sources are playing at once.</p><p>I ended up using a Radioshack project box instead of an Altoids tin, mostly because I just didn't have one sitting around and the box was actually cheaper than a tin of Altoids. This also makes the drilling significantly easier and prevents any unintentional shorts. </p><p>Thank you again for taking the time to make this useful, clear and concise guide.</p>
Hey, nice job! Glad you were successful and thanks for posting the pictures!
<p>works pretty nice! great idea!!!</p>
<p>Nice job! I like the jacks you used, where did you get them?</p><p>Rich</p>
<p>hi from Germany. I found the Jacks at www.conrad.de but I will make an other one with 6,2mm jacks :-)</p>
<p>thanks for the great idea! I did a mixer/splitter for an experimental music project</p>
<p>Hey Vanderaalle, great job!! Looks like you're using 1/4&quot; jacks and I *love* the tin (although not a smoker myself). Hope this works well for you.</p><p>-Rich</p>
I made mine. Not as pretty as yours but sure gets the job done! Stuck with the 1k resistors. Thanks for the great 'structable!
Thanks for posting. Here is my version,&nbsp;it works perfectly.<br> <br> C3-PO is an old ball mouse. After removing the guts there was plenty of room for the wiring. For the triple input audio jack I used parts from an old motherboard's sound card. They have five leads on each; 1) ground, 2) closed tip, 3) open tip, 4) closed ring, 5) open ring. When a plug is inserted, the part that touches the tip moves from the open tip lead to the closed tip lead. This must be how a computer knows when a plug is inserted. I used the closed tip/ring leads, leaving the open/tip leads alone. I wonder if the the open leads could be used for anything.
Nice! Good recycling!
Thank you. I used pulled parts from trashed sound card and a &quot;Smalls&quot; tin.... I love Old school point-to-point wiring...and Hot glue.
Here's my version of the mixer, using a Lucky Stars Candy tin. I plan to add a &quot;floor&quot; above the wiring so that I can store a short 1/8&quot; patch cord inside as well.
Nice! I particularly like the 'Hello Kitty' motif ;^) Thanks for sharing the picture.<br><br>Rich
Made one in less than an two hours, including trip to radio shack for parts, and safeway for MINI altoids tin. Used 1k resistors. Very Small, works fine.
Nice job!<br> <br> Good idea to run the connectors out of the bottom of the mini altoids tin.<br> <br> Looks like you used heat-shrink tubing for insulation as well. Heat-shrink is one of the best things ever for building things and professional wiring repairs.<br> <br> I'm glad it worked for you and thanks for sharing the picture.<br> <br> - Rich
<p>Thanks for the great write-up! I have a question expanding upon the Step 16 Variation. I want to set up a connection between my gaming console, headset, and an aux input for music. The idea would be to have the aux input feed music to the headset along with the game sound and chat. I would likely adjust the source volumes to balance these two. In addition to that, I want the aux input to mix into my mic input. The purpose of this is to play music while in party chat so everyone in my party can listen. I modified your schematic a bit to show what I mean. I know the mic is a low level input; could a larger resistor be placed on the aux input to the mic to balance these so the mic is not drowned out? Also, is there a component that keep my game sound from being sent to the mic? Looked through most of the comments but couldn't find any that addressed this specifically. Please let me know what you think - thanks!</p>
Resistor to ground gives more consistent mixing when used with different amplifiers.
Thanks for explaining your reasoning. I see your point, you're providing a more constant load to your inputs regardless of the load the output is driving, but it's at the cost of reducing your signal further. I'm not convinced it's going to give you a noticeable improvement, but other than the signal reduction due to the voltage divider, it won't hurt anything -- matter of preference I guess. As I said to Huszko, it might be nice to split the 8 resistors up so each input had the option of going through 2 resistors in parallel (jumper selectable) so you could give an effective 'boost' to selected inputs by halving the input impedance. In any case, again, nice job on your board!
One end of the resistor network is tied to ground to form a reference point for the passive mixer. This is necessary for the mixer to work with various amplifier inputs.
<p>I made it and it works like a charm thank you for the awesome instructions!</p>
<p>Hey, I want to build a mixer for the same purpose. But I need also a Cinch Input. Do you think, that it is possible to at something like that? </p>
I'm sorry but I've never heard of a Cinch Input -- I googled and saw pictures of an RCA connector -- is that what you mean? (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector</a>)<br> <br> In any case, the physical type or dimensions of the connector doesn't matter at all. What <em><strong>does</strong></em> matter is the signal level coming into the mixer on that input. If all of the signals being mixed are in a similar range, you should be good to go.<br> <br> Depending on how powerful the input source is (its output impedance) you might have to tweak the resistor values. Impedance really confuses people but just know that:<br> <div style="margin-left: 40.0px;"> &nbsp;</div> <ul> <li style="margin-left: 40.0px;"> Higher output impedance = &nbsp;Lower signal power <li style="margin-left: 40.0px;"> Lower output impedance = Higher signal power </ul> <br> Also note that each RCA connector is a mono signal, so for stereo you'd need two per input.<br> <br> HTH,<br> <br> Rich
<p>I mean something like that <a href="https://www.conrad.de/de/cinch-steckverbinder-buchse-einbau-vertikal-polzahl-2-gold-rot-weiss-bkl-electronic-72384-1-st-736902.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.conrad.de/de/cinch-steckverbinder-buch...</a></p><p>I'm not sure if it would work, I will try it. </p><p>And I wanted to ask if it is possible to have two intputs and 3 outputs </p>
<p>Yes, that's what most folks in the USA call an 'RCA' connector -- same thing. Each connector is a mono channel so you need 2 for stereo, just like in the photo. More than one output is not a problem in general. As long as nothing connected to the output is loading down the signal too much you should be fine.</p>
<p>Thanks for the pictures, nice job! That's quite a rig you have there!</p>
<p>May be a silly question. Would it be possible to do this with 3.5 mm TRRS input jacks? As to use it with headphones that also have a microfone.</p><p>Thank you</p>
Hey Jo&atilde;oS38,<br> <br> No such thing as a silly question, only silly people, I always say ;^)<br> <br> Seriously though, keep in mind: this is a passive mixer with no amplification on the output at all. Plugging any kind of headphone (TRS) or headset (TRRS) into the output isn't going to work very well -- you won't get much volume and really need an amplification stage after the output.<br> <br> Fortunately, there are lots of inexpensive headphone amp boards out there now. I've played with <a href="http://www.parts-express.com/sure-electronics-2x2w-at-4-ohm-class-d-audio-amplifier-board--320-306" rel="nofollow">this one</a>&nbsp;(Sure Electronics&nbsp;AA-AB32131) and it works pretty well -- could be battery or USB powered.<br> <br> To your specific question: what are you trying to do? Would you be trying to use the microphone, mixing mics of 2 headseats or just plugging in a TRRS headset to use as headphones (not using mic)?<br> <br> Either way I think you'd need a TRRS output jack -- I haven't had any luck plugging a TRRS plug into a TRS jack (e.g. smartphone headset plugging into a stereo output device). The other way works fine of course, plugging a TRS/stereo headphones into a TRRS output.
<p>I'll explain my situation, maybe there's an easier solution for it. Although this is way out of the subject of your instructable.</p><p>I have Teamspeak on my Android phone, and I'm connected there with headphones (with mic). But at the same time, I'd like to mix in the audio stereo input from my Playstation 4 controller. As you can imagine, this is not easy to manage.</p><p>My bad solution atm is to use the the single ear piece + mic, that comes with the PS4, on one ear connected to my phone (TS), and wear headphones connected to the PS4 controller to get the game's audio.</p><p>Cheers</p>
<p>2nd answer: re-read your comment and noticed you mentioned sound through the controller... The mixer/amps I mentioned have to plug into the console, since the mic from your headset is routed to the USB audio interface. Also you'd have to get game sound into the TRS cable... So on the downside, you'd have to be wired back to the console, on the plus side, the cord is long and there are independent volume controls (game,USB chat) on the amp itself close to you... If you have to have wireless (I.e. Plugged into controller) it would take a little thinking...</p>
<p>Thank you for your replies. I'm going to take a look at your suggestions and see if I can make them work for what I need. Cheers!</p>
<p>Joao: Thought about this some more and added a step to the end of the Instructable for variations (step 16) -- look at the schematic I added. It's easy to mix the game sound and voice chat, but you *really* need to amplify the resulting mix for the headset (you *could* try using smaller resistors like 100ohm ... not sure how well that would work). For the mic, the easiest thing would be only have one jack with the mic routed. This way two devices wouldn't be trying to power the mic... that's likely to be noisy. If you had to have mic to going to both smartphone and game controller, I'd route the mic to one directly and connect the other via a capacitor to block the DC bias voltage it's trying to send to power the mic. I think this might work pretty well! Also, you might be able to use a TRS cable from the game controller since you're ignoring the mic.. not 100% sure on that. Good luck and please let me know how it goes!! Rich</p>
<p>yeah, ok I understand exactly what you're trying to do. I do this on PS3 -- Skype/TS/mumble on ipad mixed with game sound. I use a headset mixer/amp that came with a Turtle Beach PX22 -- it mixes audio from a 3.5mm TRS plug (usually game sound) a built-in USB audio interface (usually chat/mic) and has an extra input for a TRRS cable to go to your smartphone/tablet. There's a single 3.5mm TRRS output for your headset. Look on eBay for 'px22 amplifier' you'll find them for $15-20 (amp/mixer alone, no headset). The first-gen Plantronics Rig has a similar amp/mixer that's even a little nicer. Now, the question is: will this work with PS4? I think so, but will have to try it (have PS4 but don't play anything that requires chat at atm). These are great and you can't build anything equivalent that cheap (and compact). Good Luck! Rich</p>

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