Introduction: Bad Stator Fix--Don't Buy a New Stator for Your Engine! Create a Battery-op Ignition System for Less Than $50

The cost of a new stator can be hundreds of dollars.  Without a good stator, your engine will run poorly or not at all.  This solution completely bypasses the stator by using a 12 volt battery to power the ignition system.  Everything required can be purchased for under $50.  It will work on all contact breaker point engines (old style), and some electronic controlled ignition (newer style) ones.  The guide is for contact breaker systems. Note that as written this system will bypass the CDI portion of your ignition system (if present) and replace it with a more traditional one. 

I devised this system when the stator on my Honda XR-100 got so weak that it couldn't power the spark plug, preventing the engine from running.  The stator on my model happened to be discontinued, and I didn't want to buy a used one for over $100 when this particular stator is known for being weak and prone to failure.

FYI:

The stator coil generates the power for the spark plug and other accessories on small engines  Without a stator there would be no spark at all, meaning the engine won't run.  While a stator is dying, it can produce a weak spark, causing the engine to miss or run poorly.  Symptoms are often worsened as the engine warms up.

Step 1: Required Materials

Ignition coil:

This needs to be a fairly heavy duty coil.  I  previously tried using two universal coils  intended for small engines.  They both literally blew up from the heat. (I guess they're not designed for a continuous 12 volts?)  I found that the (older) canister type ignition coil designed for cars work for this application and don't get hot or blow up.  I bought this no name one off Amazon for about $15.

http://www.amazon.com/OEM-5195-Ignition-Coil/dp/B000CSW79C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1397767365&sr=8-1&keywords=oem+ignition+coil


12 Volt battery:

Any 12 volt battery will work.  This is the lead acid type used for car batteries.  They sell small ones for use in dirt bike starters, security system back up power supplies, etc.  I bought a generic one off Amazon for about $18.

http://www.amazon.com/UPG-UB1280-Sealed-Lead-Batteries/dp/B0009GIKNE/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1397767629&sr=8-9&keywords=12+volt+battery


Charging Method:

See the possible methods on the last page.  $0-100.

Capacitor:

Any capacitor intended for ignition systems will work.  (I don't know the technical specification).  I used the one that was one that was part of the original ignition system on my dirt bike.


Resistor:

This is to protect the ignition coil from receiving too much power.  Use a 2 ohm resistor rated in the neighborhood of 100 watts of power.  I bought a generic one for about $5 off ebay.


On Off Switch:

You can use the one that came with your engine as long as it's not the kind you have to hold down.  My dirt bike had the hold down style so I bought a $5 toggle switch from home depot.



Flywheel Removal Tool:

They sell a universal one for most small engines on various websites.  I got mine for about $10 on Amazon.



Insulated Wiring + Alligator clips + Sandpaper (optional)

I used 18 gauge insulated magnet wire.  I would cut sections off a spool to the required length, then sand the insulation off the ends and attach alligator clips.  The way you go about wiring is a personal preference, so if you want to buy ready to use wires with alligator clips, or even solder all connections without clips that's your call.

Multimeter/Ohmmeter (recommended)

This is used to measure resistance and to check continuity.  While not required, it is helpful to have for troubleshooting and checking to make sure everything is wired properly.  These are cheap and a good tool to have around the house.

Step 2: Wiring Diagram

The wiring of the system is somewhat flexible.  The series order of the pieces doesn't matter, and can be done however is easiest for the space available on your particular machine.   I recommend fastening all the components to the machine first, then wiring them together after in the most convenient way. The only piece that has to be done according to the diagram is the wiring between the ignition coil and capacitor: The capacitor MUST be wired between the two terminals of the ignition coil.

***See the next page for an explanation of how to wire the system to the engine***

For those of you familiar with electronics, every component is arbitrarily wired in series without regard to polarity.  The exception is the ignition coil/capacitor combo which is wired in parallel, and then put into series with everything else.

Please forgive the sloppy diagram; I made in paint.  I wanted to use a platform that allowed me to use pictorial symbols rather than conventional electronic schematics which not everyone is familiar with.


Notes:

-The two primary terminals on the ignition coil are shared by multiple components, and therefore will have two wires coming out of each.

-The raised center terminal on the ignition coil feeds the power that goes to the spark plug.  This is where the spark plug wire will connect.    (For electronics people, it's the positive terminal of the secondary coil.  The negative terminal for the secondary coil is shared with the negative terminal for the primary coil)

Step 3: Wiring the System to the Engine 1

As evident from the diagram, further explanation is needed to explain how to wire the "engine" in series with everything else.

The only reason the wiring passes through the engine is to reach the contact breaker system.  The contact breaker is simply a switch inside the flywheel that triggers the spark plug to fire at the right moment in the combustion cycle.   The engine is not actually producing any power for the ignition system.

First the easy: attaching the negative (black) wire going to the engine.  This wire can be attached to any conductive part of the engine assembly.  On cars and motorcycles the metal parts of the engine are in electrical contact with each other,  which causes them to make up one large electric terminal.  This wire should attach to something secure, like a cooling fin, head bolt, crankcase, etc.  I prefer to wrap this wire around a bolt and then tighten it.  The place you choose should be free of paint and debris, and I recommend sanding it.

Now the harder part: attaching the wire marked red coming out of the engine.  This wire has to be directly connected to the contact breaker inside the flywheel.

Here are the steps to gain access:

-Remove the side cover over the flywheel.  Depending on your model this may be the left or right cover, and may also be holding back oil.  On my honda xr, I removed the left side cover to access the flywheel, and it did not hold back any oil.

-Remove the flywheel.
1- To remove the nut, the flywheel must be locked in place or else it will simply turn.  You can lock it in place by using a special tool.  Alternatively, you can lock it this way: remove the spark plug and feed wire or rope down into the cylinder.  Once there is enough material to lock the piston against the head, the flywheel will seize and you can remove the nut.  It is a regular right hand threaded nut which loosens counter clockwise.  Make sure that you will be able to remove whatever material you fed into the cylinder and won't leave any debris behind.

2-Pull the flywheel off.  Even with the nut off it is virtually impossible to slide the flywheel off by hand.  Using pry tools is risky, so I recommend using the special universal flywheel tool that I mentioned.  The tool actually screws into the hole in the center of the flywheel.  It is a LEFT HAND THREAD, so turn it counterclockwise to tighten.  Once the tool is firmly attached, simply tighten the bolt down the bore of the tool and it will force the flywheel off.

Step 4: Wiring the System to the Engine 2

With the flywheel off, you should see something like the first picture.   The stator is the set of copper coils surrounding the crankshaft.  The number of coils varies from bike to bike.  Mine had 2.

Just a warning, if you have a lighting system, it will not work if you remove the stator.  You could find a way to wire the lights up to the battery but I won't be explaining that.  You could even use a hybrid approach to power the ignition with the battery and the lights with the stator, but once again you would have to figure it out on your own and rewire the stator after disconnecting it from the ignition.

I removed the whole stator just to have it out of the way and make things easier.

With the flywheel off, we've finally gotten to the contact breaker points which is what we need.  The second picture is a contact breaker assembly removed from the engine.  The third is the contact breaker attached to the engine.  Note that your contact breaker points will look something like this.  Now for that last wire.

The wire marked red (coming from the engine) in the diagram is going to attach directly to the contact breaker points.  There should already be a wire connected to the breaker points right  where we need to put the new one.  You need to remove that old wire and put the wire for the new system RIGHT WHERE THE OLD ONE WAS.  If you don't already have a wire there, look for the annotation to the second picture for that location. (*You need to maximize the picture in order to view the annotations*)  It is important that you get this placement correct.  There is usually a nut there for you to secure the wire.

If you put this wire in the wrong place on the contact breaker, it will directly contact the first wire and bypass the switching effect of the system.  Without the switching effect of the contact breaker, the spark will never fire.  Make sure you secure this wire in the right place. 

Once correctly connected, you have to feed this last wire out of the engine.  Make sure you route it in a way that avoids moving parts.  There is usually a hole in the side cover to pass the wire out.

With the wire routed out of the way, put the flywheel back on and replace the side cover.






Step 5: Mounting Everything

As I suggested earlier, I recommend mounting the various parts to your system in a convenient way, then wiring them together afterward.  Just make sure the ignition coil and the capacitor are near each other.

Tips:

-Use hot glue to secure components and wiring where you want it.
-Hot glue from a glue gun is extremely useful and incredibly strong.  Clean both mating surfaces with acetone or rubbing alcohol first, then let them fully dry before gluing.  I IMPLORE you to take the cleaning step!   A tiny bit of dirt will cause this method to fail.  Done right though and you will have an incredibly strong bond.
-Rubbing alcohol/acetone can easily remove hardened hot glue if you make a mistake.
-Once everything is confirmed working and wired correctly, put a small amount of solder at every connection.  This will prevent wiring from physically coming apart, as well as prevent it from losing electrical contact due to corrosion.  Just imagine having something small come apart while using your machine, causing the whole system to fail and having to go through every little piece to find the problem.


On my Honda I glued the components to the front of the frame.  I glued the toggle switch near the original kill switch on the handlebars and wove the wires back down to the other elements.  The most difficult piece to mount was the battery.  I hot glued the battery to a piece of wood, then screwed the wood to the front fender up through the bottom.  The battery is actually quite secure in this arrangement.

Congrats!  If you have made it to this point you should be ready to rock and roll with your new, high power ignition system.  Make sure you turn the switch off while not running or else the battery will drain.

Step 6: Troubleshooting

If for some reason the system isn't working, it is almost guaranteed that there is a open or discontinuous circuit.  To test for this, you will need to use the resistance setting on your ohmmeter/multimeter, in the 200 ohm or lowest range setting.

In general the way you do this is to attach each of the leads to the wires in series with circuit you are testing.  The battery should be detached from the system, so the wires leading up to it make convenient test points.

A reading of 1 on the display indicates a broken, or "open" circuit.  Any resistance value displayed means the circuit is continuous or "closed".  On this particular circuit, the resistance should be somewhere around 5 ohms.

If you find that your system is an open circuit, follow this procedure:

While doing this, make sure the toggle switch is in the on position.  If this doesn't work, try slowly turning the engine over to ensure the contact breakers are in the closed position. The contact breakers are also a switch, and are controlled by the position of the flywheel.  The contact breaker switch will open (turn off) at least once, sometimes twice per combustion cycle.  

Once you're sure that both switches are closed, check things piece by piece.  For example, put your test leads around just one branch of the system.  Start by going from let's say, the battery wire you're using to the resistor.  If that registers as an open circuit, your problem lies in that branch. Check to make sure connections are secure, with the wire's insulation completely removed at the contact points.   It is possible to have a burnt out component, so check across the terminals of components in a bad branch.  (This does not work for the capacitor which SHOULD register as an open circuit across its terminals)

 If it registers as continuous, the problem lies elsewhere.  Expand the branch.  Go from let's say the battery wire to the ignition coil.

The process is then repeated until you find a branch that is an open circuit.  Once this is found, you know the problem lies in the most recent addition to the branch and can fix the connection issues.


The second and much less likely cause of a system failure is an issue with the contact breaker.  This could be the case if the whole system is getting a good reading from the meter but the spark plug still won't fire.  With the meter hooked up to the whole system and giving a closed circuit reading, slowly turn the engine over.  Within one full engine cycle the reading must register discontinuous for a brief time when the contact breaker switch opens.  The opening of the contact breaker switch triggers the spark plug to fire during the normal engine cycle. If the reading fails to register a discontinuity and some point during the cycle, there is a problem with the contact breaker points.  This can be a result of wiring the contact breaker assembly in the wrong place, or a mechanical issue with the contact breaker points.


Lastly, a  short circuit could cause the failure of the system.  Electricity will always take the easiest path, so if given a chance to bypass elements through a better conductor, it will.  Look for places where foreign conducting materials might be resting against the terminals of various components.  This includes the frame: if terminals or uninsulated wiring is in contact with the frame they will short circuit.


 
 

Step 7: Charging the Battery

There are several methods for charging the battery.

1. Purchase a charger designed for charging 12 volt batteries.  This is the easiest and fastest method, but expect to spend $30 minimum to buy a unit, and size wise they range from a shoebox to a suitcase.

2.  Use your car.  Wire the battery to be charged to the car battery, positive to positive, negative to negative, as shown in the diagram.  Assuming the battery you're charging is a much lower capacity than the car battery, it shouldn't cause the car battery to drain to a harmful level.  The next time you run the car, the alternator will fully recharge the car's battery and replenish the power you took.

If you are concerned about draining the car's battery too far while doing this, you can run the car during the process, in which case the alternator will be the power source of the charge.  Assuming you're like me and don't want to run the car just to charge a battery, you could even tuck the battery somewhere under the hood, cables hooked up, and just leave it there as you drive about your normal business.  Again in this case, the alternator will be providing the charge, not the car's battery.

3. Build a charger (simple).  For this method you will need the power transformer from an appliance you don't need anymore.  (Big ass plug, small wire, connector on the end, see the picture)  I have a stockpile of these things from old electronics that are long since gone.  You can purchase them online, from thrift shops, or any used electronics store.  These things are cheap, less than 5 bucks a pop.  Make sure it's rated for around 15 Watts of power.

Update 4/21/14: 
I just learned that smaller "12" volt lead acid batteries actually have a slightly higher output voltage than car batteries due to a variation in construction.  I believe they actually output at least 13 Volts.  This means that the numbers in the paragraph below are incorrect for smaller lead acid batteries.  This problem arose when my 13.8 volt power transformer was struggling to produce the required charge current of about 1.0 Amps--it was producing a mere 0.03 Amps.  I don't know the safe range of charging voltages for this particular construction of battery so it will require some further testing, but certainly higher than the previous range.  If you have any input on this, please put it in the comments.

Update 4/25/14:
I've found that a charger producing 15 volts is enough to charge the battery in a reasonable amount of time.  I don't know if this voltage is high enough to overcharge the battery if left charging indefinitely.  As mentioned before the guides for regular 12 volt batteries don't quite apply because the smaller ones are of a different construction that produce 13-14 volts, so I have no reference range for charger voltages.  If you're worried about overcharging, you can unplug the charger after several hours.  Most of the charging is done near the beginning anyway.  Alternatively, to check the status you can put an ammeter (multimeter) in series with the charger.  When the amperage drops significantly from the initial reading it's time to disconnect.  Make sure the meter is in the 10 Amp or similar range.  This setting often requires moving a lead to a different port.  I'm using a universal laptop charger with the end prepared the same way as described for the wall chargers.  15 volts and up is unusual for regular wall chargers, so you might have to drop 10 bucks on a laptop charger.  In a few weeks I will be consolidating this page and removing obsolete material.

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Once you have the transformer, cut the connector at the end off.  Strip back the insulation far enough to put alligator clips on.  Once you have the clips on, you'll need to figure out which lead is positive and negative.  Using the voltmeter function of your multimeter in the proper voltage range, attach the leads of the meter to the alligator clips on your power source.  The voltage readout should be whatever you're using, but we're concerned about the sign here.  

If the reading's sign is positive, then the leads on the charger directly correspond to the meter's test leads that they are attached to.  (The alligator clip attached to the red (positive) test lead is positive, and the clip attached to the black (negative) test lead is negative)

If the reading is negative, then the charger leads are opposite from the test leads they are attached to.

MAKE SURE that the test leads on your mulimeter are set up correctly!  If you have them plugged in wrong places, the results will be wrong!

Be sure to label which charger lead is which or you will be doing this again!

To charge your battery with this charger, clip the charger's positive clip to the positive terminal, and negative to negative.  This method may take awhile, but the price is right.

In my example, I used a 13.8 V transformer I found in my basement.

Comments

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DougC1 made it!(author)2015-11-24

The reason you blew those two small engine coils is because they are not designed for constant current draw and the large amount of current of the auto type canister coil. That 2 ohm resister is not required if the coil you have is the internal resister type. You have to know. If you put the 2 ohm in the circuit you may not have a spark. If you leave the resister off a non internal type coil then it may burn up.

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Mcginnstable made it!(author)2016-08-14

Thank you for this information. I am considering doing this to a vintage moped with a very expensive bad stator coil.

I have a couple suggestions, I think people are getting confused with your description of attaching the wire to the points. The points are already there, and theres already a wire coming from it, so I would just use that same wire (assuming its in good condition). I think some people are assuming your actually ADDING the points to the bike, because you a used a stock photo of a clean uninstalled points system.

The other suggestion is to eliminate the battery charging information from you 'ible, this can be easily found online, but maybe include an estimate for run time with the size battery your using.

and now I have a question, did your existing spark plug wire fit onto the coil you linked to on amazon? my moped has a copper plug wire that is hardwired to the ignition coil. actually, to coil might be ok, just the stator is testing bad, maybe I can use the stock coil?

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GabrielC72 made it!(author)2016-08-26

Why not just rewind the stator your self? It's a very simple process. 3 things matter. Wire gauge, resistance (technically inductance), and winding direction.

Remove the old wire, pay attention on how it unwinds. Measure the thickness in several spots, reference gauge and thicknesses online to get gauge of wire. Purchase new magnet wire (rated for 200c (200 Celsius) is best) of the correct gauge. Rewind stator. Scratch coating off the wire to measure resistance with a multimeter. If it's to low, keep winding, to high, remove some. Follow the books recommendation for stator resistance.

The number of turns is not critical. If it was, the book would have EXACT measurements. Instead, they give you a range. Typically, a large range.

Here's me winding my Tecate 3 source coil. I made a jig to hold the iron laminates and wound it using a drill. Total cost < $15. I've got 85% of the wire i purchased on the spool still. I used a non metallic based epoxy to seal it up.

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WilliamK80 made it!(author)2016-04-13

I would much rather just use the proper parts that I can purchase for about $50 anyways

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Mcginnstable made it!(author)2016-08-14

the proper parts for me are like $250 and I have spare 12v batteries

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Nic0217 made it!(author)2015-08-18

When i remove the stator there is nothing like you show in your pictures the bike is a 93 suzuki ts200

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Nic0217 made it!(author)2015-08-17

How much time can you ride between rides? I would use a deepcycle battery because i already habe one and it's designed to resist big charge variations. I am wondering if i should bring a power pack with me when i go on long rides.

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r.locke725 made it!(author)2015-02-09

I have a vog 260 i think the stator is going out and i dont want to buy a new 1 how can i bypass it

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filthymcnasty made it!(author)2014-11-15

Do you still have to use the kick starter with this set up? Could you please give a more in depth instructions on how wire and solder certain parts.

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JayMulkey made it!(author)2014-11-02

Quick question: have 150 CC scooter (Tank brand) and no power is going to battery. Give battery full charge and she runs great for awhile. Voltmeter on dash does not climb with the rpm's. Is this most likely the stator or the voltage regulator?

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glenn.weaver.98 made it!(author)2014-08-31

If you just go to Harbor Freight, or slimilar, you can by a very small in-line trickle charger. This is wired permanently in line with the battery and won't overcharge any 12volt wet cell battery (automotive, motorcycle, lawn tractor, etc.). Just plug it in and forget it. I use one on my truck in extremely cold weather to ensure my batteries will have a complete charge (a car battery can loose up to 40% of it's cranking power at 32deg F.). Another safe, but slower, method is to hook up an automotive grade solar charger. They are quite cheep and many models are circuit protected to prevent over chaging. The down side is that they will take almost one day of brite sunlight to reach full charge on a large truck battery. I use one during cold winter weather when I'm in an area were electric outlets are unavailable. On a smaller battery the charge time should be much better. But, if it works on a 1 ton deseil with two league batteries it should be fine for this.

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Tony+Rimmer made it!(author)2014-04-21

Excellent.

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ndrapeau made it!(author)2014-04-21

Thank You

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Stan1y made it!(author)2014-04-20

got an old lawnmower I need to sort out like this thankfully there is a stack of old coils in the back of the shed from every old banger (I belive they'd be called jalopies in the states) my father has ever owned

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omnibot made it!(author)2014-04-20

Good job! It's been long since I did any work on small engines with this type of ignition but when I did I used the contact breaker to run a large transistor rather than break all that current. It saves the points so you wont have to change them as often. On some older machines, where the ignition system wore out, I even added a generator somewhere to charge the battery.

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petercd made it!(author)2014-04-19

You dont mention how your battery is going to be charged, which was also the job of the stator coils.

All you need in most cases, depending on the damage of course, is a stator rewind.

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ndrapeau made it!(author)2014-04-19

You're right about neglecting to add information about charging the battery. I will add a page.

As for rewinding stators, I find there are a few problems.

The first is that some stators can be really difficult to rewind and still get a half decent result. Mine was probably one of the easiest imaginable to rewind, a 2 pole stator, yet when I tried rewinding it, it ended up looking like a rat's nest far before I got the necessary amount of windings around the cores. Then some stators require dipping in heat resistant enamel and then baking in an oven, which is really messy. Additionally the new stator windings must be connected to a really small rectifier or ignition control module which can be difficult.

Another problem with rewinding stators is that the problem may actually be coming from the other components in the stator system, such as the rectifier, cdi box, control module, flywheel magnets, etc. The method I chose bypasses all those components in case they are the true cause of the problem.

Lastly, some bikes like mine have stator designs that are inherently weak and could benefit from a more powerful ignition system.

All that being said, in some cases it might be better to rewind the stator rather than using this method, especially on bikes with lots of accessories.