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Build a 15,000 rpm Tesla Turbine using hard drive platters

Build a 15,000 rpm Tesla Turbine using hard drive platters
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Here's a project that uses some of those dead hard drives you've got lying around.

In the Tesla Turbine, air, steam, oil, or any other fluid is injected at the edge of a series of smooth parallel disks. The fluid spirals inwards and is exhausted through ventilation ports near the center of the disks.

A regular blade turbine operates by transferring kinetic energy from the moving fluid to the turbine fan blades. In the Tesla Turbine, the kinetic energy transfer to the edges of the thin platters is very small. Instead, it uses the boundary layer effect, i.e. adhesion between the moving fluid and the rigid disk. This is the same effect that causes drag on airplanes.

To build a turbine like this, you need some dead hard drives, some stock material (aluminum, acrylic), a milling machine with a rotary table, and a lathe with a 4 jaw chuck.

Wikipedia has a good review article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_turbine), as well as articles about

Nikola Tesla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla,
the boundary layer effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_layer),
and Reynolds number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_number)
(which determines if the fluid flow is laminar or turbulent).

I run my turbine on compressed air (40 psi), and it easily reaches speeds of 10-15,000 rpm. While the speed is high, the torque is low, and it can be stopped with your bare hand.

I have more details on my webpage (http://staff.washington.edu/sbtroy/turbine/turbine.html).
 
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Step 1Make ventilation holes in the platters

Make ventilation holes in the platters
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Step 1 should probably be to disassemble some hard drives but I assume that if you read Make, you've already figured out how to un-Make a hard drive.

The easiest way to make vent holes in the hard drive platters is with a milling machine and a rotary table. Center and clamp a stack of several platters to the rotary table and then you can cut any radially symmetric pattern fairly easily. Just be sure that you use aluminium platters because ceramic platters will shatter when you drill into them.

I made two sets of platters; one with a radial array of holes, and one with radial arcs. The platter with radial arcs in the picture was on the top of the stack and took the most damage. The platters beneath it have very little tear-out and look much better.
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May 8, 2012. 8:38 AMden316a says:
my Question is how much torck does this have can u run a generator off of it?
Apr 24, 2012. 11:38 PMTechno Dude says:
Hey I wanted to ask u that If u hook it up with a generator how much would it generate and its voltage pleas help
May 28, 2010. 9:43 PMchungsan says:
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Jun 8, 2010. 11:28 PMPie Ninja says:
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Apr 25, 2011. 5:45 AMKimberlyP says:
I don't know about that. If you look at energy we are just fractioning it.
You just don't always get the choice of what you want for lunch :)

I'm a science person but there is a paradox which binds me to my religious brethren and sisters.

Which is more troubling a God which always was.

Or Infinity and or something created from nothing.

God would have to be infinite and spring from nothingness
&
Science can choose one or the other.
Apr 25, 2011. 9:25 AMPie Ninja says:
I honestly have no idea what you just said.
Mar 12, 2012. 6:06 AMnedesico says:
I agree o.O
Apr 25, 2011. 2:03 PMKimberlyP says:
You said there is not such thing as a free lunch.

I'm saying there is always a free lunch, you just don't always get to choose what you are eating.

I was trying to be funny at first. (MY Geek humor sometimes does not translate well)

And then I got serious. In the end there are things we cannot know or comprehend. --- Paradox.
Infinity and Causality are paradoxes.
What created something out of nothingness?
If you are infinite then you have no creation or end.
Jan 9, 2012. 9:01 PMaearly92 says:
Makes complete sense to me, as long as you think of infinity with a positive and negative span. What kimberlyp is saying is that something infinite does not have a beggining... I personaly think infinity to be an endless forward reach that starts at a given point and then never stops so in my eyes the paradox isn't a paradox at all but I do respect the alternative view point. Thanks for making me think about it.
Religious Paradox:
Can god create a rock larger than he can move? lol
Jan 10, 2012. 2:24 AMKimberlyP says:
Yes, well with causality we can pick a particular point and go forward on that point towards infinity.

But Causality is always a function of the state before that point in time.

Maybe its a circular function? Symmetrical on the macro scale, and non symmetric locally. IN which case we keep returning to 0 and all numbers are positive? We descend into a world of fractals. An infinite rabbit hole that keeps Excedrin selling well.

Something without a true beginning or end is as wacky as any religion!

Causality either maps to infinity or God or it breaks down and is no longer valid.

Causality needs time but if there is no change in time, ie: the universe is reduced to a single common state variable, then all we need is activation energy based on a density function of that state variable, which results in a second state variable.

Then you can map it all with a circular function and say everything is infinite and be satisfied. Except I would say why is there anything?

Science shows us how things work or can work, and philosophy and or religion tells us why?

So to rephrase: How is it that we can get something from nothing?
In the Universe I live in energy and matter are the same thing in different clothing. Practical physics deals with finite measurement. Mathematical abstractions do not have this limit.

Religious Paradox:
Can god create a rock larger than he can move? lol

I would say no based on the 1st law of Thermo. It would be over unity!

Apr 26, 2011. 12:50 AMPie Ninja says:
Causality is a paradox? Please elaborate.
Apr 26, 2011. 6:39 AMKimberlyP says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_G%C3%B6del

Godel The man who reduced the principia to ashes.
Apr 26, 2011. 6:04 AMKimberlyP says:
Causality is a paradox is the sense if you have a finite universe, then something must have created it. (It need not be God) The problem is that at some point you are down to where there was nothing before, and then how does something spring from nothingness?

If not you are dealing with infinity. With infinity nothing has ever been created or destroyed its just changing form?

Still infinity is a paradox for causality because its saying their is no beginning or end, just points between numbers.

Some things are unknowable, and non computable.

Whitehead in the Principia tried to save us but failed.
May 10, 2012. 1:12 PMSchrodinger6 says:
Something comes from nothing all the time, easy example is the spontaneous creation/destruction of particle and anti-particle pairs. That's why we have the PROVEN concept of vacuum energy. Also, why we can theoretically have the big bang springing out of nothingness and in this light we have no need for a god to exist...other than the "god-particle", kinda need that guy ha.
Apr 26, 2011. 6:57 PMPie Ninja says:
I'm going to go over there now.
Jun 15, 2010. 7:06 AMdombeef says:
Or free pie...
Jun 15, 2010. 7:42 AMPie Ninja says:
Oh, woe is me.
Jun 15, 2010. 6:37 PMdombeef says:
What did he say?
Jun 15, 2010. 10:18 PMPie Ninja says:
Something about perpetuity, I've forgotten.
Jun 16, 2010. 10:01 AMdombeef says:
Oh ok So he probably said that you could connect the end pipe to the opening pipe to get free power?
Jun 15, 2010. 6:37 PMdombeef says:
Yeah
Feb 19, 2012. 2:47 PMthanatos370 says:
If you were to attach a motor to the shaft of the turbine, would that turn it into a pump?
Feb 11, 2012. 2:13 AMstephenfitton says:
I wonder if you could do me a favor re your tesla turbine, I reached a quantum figure of 17 thou gap between blades (for compressd Air) for a more fluid-like force on the turbines to increase torque. is it possible for you to try this for me.any added expense will be paid by me,or if interested external micro adjustments for simplified cnc made from Corian-bench top and any threaded rod-(zero play acheived) by using human error factor.
Feb 7, 2012. 11:31 AMRolyB says:
Studying Tesla's Patent plans I see two things that are missing from recent constructs. These are items 26, Circular grooves and 27, Labyrinth packing.
Tesla must have included these for a purpose though he doesn't mention why.
The labyrinth looks like a seal.
I wonder are the grooves a sort of brake or governing mechanism, the fluid gets compressed in the grooves and thus slows the turbine down, perhaps?
I know it must be fun to see how fast the turbine can spin but the practical thing must be to turn that spin into power.
Any ideas on the grooves and labyrinth and why Tesla included them.
Jan 13, 2012. 1:59 PMjgwiz2007 says:
http://youtu.be/1n_sB1-JNAY

Check out this Youtube link. I used some of your ideas, and some of my own to build my own Tesla turbine. Hit 30,000 + rpm and still going to add some more hard drive plates...ENJOY!!!
Apr 2, 2011. 11:06 AMParanoidPilot says:
If you connected the input of this to a gravity-fed water supply, could you use it to generate small scale renewable energy: e.g. use it to recharge batteries via a simple (ish) circuit, or would the water be too viscous for this design to work properly?

Thanks
Jan 9, 2012. 9:09 PMaearly92 says:
It sounds to me like your suggesting we build a hydroelectric dam but instead of letting the water cycle do our biding we would re-elevate the water? What your forgeting is that your going to have to pump the water back up to an elevated state once it has passed through the turbine. Its an efficiency nightmare lol.
Jan 10, 2012. 1:58 AMParanoidPilot says:
Use it like a regular hydro dam system, then run the spent water into a drain (or plant bed) afterwards. I'm aware thermodynamics might have something to say about pumping the water back up again and trying to get more energy out of it.
Oct 24, 2010. 4:25 PMchairchild says:
if you added some exhaust port, in-line with the cutouts on the disc, efficiency would increase massively. The way it's working in this setup, is pretty much choking the output down to pitiful levels - easily one of the nicest-looking ones I've seen in a while though

and the perpetual motion comments? LMAO!!
Jan 10, 2012. 1:32 AMKimberlyP says:
Remember that Lord Kelvin was LMAO about the idea of powered flight!

If perpetual in the sense of forever, well highly improbable.

As to coupled occilator's with irreversible flows it happens in biology.

Thermodynamics
While the 1st law seems on the sturdiest ground experimentally.
The 2nd law as applied to thermodynamics is about energy density. Objects at a particular temperature if unrestricted by activation energies move spontaneously from high to low, and from dense to less dense.

3rd law that you can never break even except at 0 Kelvin is the add on law that may be cracked and or found exceptions too. Zeroth Law is just common sense as the commutative law of addition. It sets T.

3rd law is valid when considering reversible flows, but if one looks at coupled occilator s using irreversible flows out of phase one can see immediately that this is not necessarily so.

As to Boltzman you can argue that with irreversible flows that the state is not exactly returned to the same probabilistic state as before, but the averages can be! Think about that! That fits right in with Poincare thinking which informed Boltzmans work. So there is times arrow locally and as we extend the domain we get back to symmetry. Something exhibited in the real world, in chaos theory, and many other physical phenomena. Geometrically we can think of fractals.

So while it is true that in a simple expression of reversible processes the 3rd law is true, that we can only break even at 0 K and also can never reach 0 K because of Zeroth. We can always couple irreversible flows, which from a probabilistic standpoint cannot return to original state, but from a physical energy standpoint can return to the same average energy.
Nov 16, 2011. 3:53 PMJar Sqwuid says:
Perpetual energy? That's all fine and dandy if you can find metal that will never rust or corrode, or other materials that are otherwise impervious to the various elements. As well as trying to complete Tesla's failed project to transmit energy wirelessly, because otherwise you're going to need a load of veeeeerrrrrryyyy long extension cables.

Awesome project, really :) I wanna try it!
Nov 21, 2011. 10:39 AMT_T_ says:
tesla's wireless energy plan didn't fail, it was canceled.
Nov 16, 2011. 1:33 PMblinkyblinky says:
So, in the video, you are pumping in water?
Apr 11, 2011. 11:17 AMraybent says:
Actually, perpetual "motion" is entirely possible - you just have to choose the correct speed. Once adjusted to the correct speed, the friction reduces to zero. Hence it will run at that speed forever. The correct speed? Zero. Remember - zero is a valid number.
Nov 16, 2011. 4:31 AMbeehard44 says:
I agree. Perpetual motion IS possible. It's just that it'll need regular maintenance and i doubt if it'll be able to produce excess energy.
Still, nothing is impossible.
Sep 5, 2011. 10:03 AMc.doyle says:
Even if you reduce standard friction to 0, which is virtually impossible as it is, there is still 'quantum friction' that occurs even in a vacuum: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20927994.100-vacuum-has-friction-after-all.html.

And perpetual motion means that the machine generates more energy than it uses, which at 0 for 0 it wouldn't.
Nov 7, 2011. 9:03 PMluig says:
you are right but it would be a Flywheel energy storage device instead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_energy_storage
Aug 6, 2011. 11:22 PMtheanthropicalthane says:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of the number 'zero' is that zero is not a number, but a representation of the absence of a value. So it's not a number, but the absence of a number.
Apr 26, 2011. 6:44 AMKimberlyP says:
Superfluidity, Superconductivity.... Are other ways to reducing to 0.

Get them working at Standard Temps and you will have yourself a Nobel Prize.

Apr 11, 2011. 3:51 PMjpetrill reese says:
Well Yes, I guess if a disk spinning at "zero" speed counts as being in perpetual motion then it is possible. Sadly it would be able to do exactly zero work.
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