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Build a Microwave Transformer Homemade Stick/Arc Welder

Step 4Wind the new transformer secondaries

Wind the new transformer secondaries
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We wound 20 turns of 10-guage wire on each transformer. That's just about how much wire would fit into the available space. It took a little over 20 feet of wire each.

tip: draw tally marks on your table to keep track of the number of windings.

How does a transformer work?
The primary winding is an electromagnet connected to alternating current.
The humming magnetic field of the primary induces a current to flow in the secondary winding. If both windings have the same number of turns, the output voltage is the same as the input.
(minus a smidgin due to eddy currents, resistance, etc.)
If the secondary has more turns than the input, its output voltage is higher. That's the type of transformer you started out with.

OUTPUT VOLTAGE = INPUT VOLTAGE * (NUMBER OF SECONDARY TURNS) / (NUMBER OF PRIMARY TURNS)

Our primary has 100 turns and gets connected to 100 volts AC. We're winding 20 turns on the secondary, so we'll get about 20 volts out.

The available POWER STAYS THE SAME regardless of what the output VOLTAGE is.
POWER (WATTS) = AMPS * VOLTS

If the primary is made take 1000 watts (100 volts * 10 amps) out of the wall, we'll be able to take 1000 watts out of the secondary. With 1/5 of the windings, we can draw 50 amps out of the secondary.

That's the cartoon version with play numbers anyway.
Over here in our shed full of reality we've got two of these beasts in series and plan to short the outputs through a welding rod like Jennifer Beals.

Let's just say we're going to pull a whole lot of amps, which is why we need to wind our secondary with such thick wire.

The copper conductor in ten-guage wire happens to be 1/10" (0.1") in diameter.

Here's a table of conductor diameter, guage, and current rating.

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May 26, 2012. 5:13 PMKCMude says:
Hey Engineers, technicians, Craftsmen and many more in this forum, am happy to report that following instructions is easy. With 2.5mm diameter wire 18 turns on the secondary was able to get 18.5volts hence, I must be able to get 37volts if I manage to make the second transformer. I will give a full report when my project comes to an end.
from Kaychi.
Aug 5, 2010. 8:06 PMzfolwick says:
I was only able to get 18 turns of naked copper and it looks like a rat's nest. This is hard enough I'm going to look to purchase my other transformer somewhere... What's the other wire? 8 gauge?
Aug 2, 2010. 2:29 AM0087adam says:
I think you need to check your math a little bit, your equations are off. But other than that the concepts are the same and i applaud you for figuring this all out.
Jun 17, 2010. 7:10 PMjamisan91 says:
hey could I use 12 gauge
Mar 20, 2010. 6:48 PMVanUnamed says:
I've made it with italian 220V transformers, i winded 2mm cable 24 times to obtain 19.4V each transformer. 2,5mm is the diameter including the rubber casing

thanks alot for the idea
Mar 13, 2010. 7:13 AMampeyro says:
so if mine is made for 220v(europe) and have near 100 turns too, i will ned to make the secondary with 10 turns?
Mar 13, 2010. 11:49 AMMrV says:
no, the europeans have twice the windings on the primary(200), so you should wind  20 turns.
Nov 12, 2009. 6:54 AMtonhe says:
If I am concerned about blowing the breaker (using 115v AC here in the US ~15amp) would using a 3rd transformer help? I assume it would lower the voltage further and raise the amps up, but as far as welding goes, I'm not familiar enough to know if that would help.
Nov 18, 2009. 3:01 PMtwenglish1 says:
stick welding is mainly about the amps, the higher the current(amps) the deeper the weld will penetrate into the metals being welded. so you will want lower currents for thinner metal and higher currents for thicker metal.  voltage is another important part of stick welding, because if you don't have a high enough voltage you will not be able to start/maintain an arc, i believe you need at least 40 volts, thats what my microwave welder was and it worked good.  and i just measured the output voltage of my 240v AC stick welder(max output is 225 amps) it puts out about 80 volts
Jun 3, 2009. 10:37 PMjonogt says:
I saw in a prior comment and the reply to it that 10 ga. stranded wire is acceptable in place of solid wire. I got ahold of a good amount of 12 ga. solid wire for free, and i was wondering if this would be OK. Should I just add a couple more winds to bring the current down a bit? Or can I do the same number of winds and just weld in short spans to prevent overheating? I don't need this thing to have massive bite-your-head-off penetration... I'll mostly be making lighter welds. thanks for any input -Jon
Jul 17, 2009. 11:38 AMbylerfamily says:
Yeah,it would work fine.
Apr 6, 2008. 10:21 AMyanggers says:
Do I have it correct that the direction of this secondary wire winding is negligible as long as they fit into the space? clock wise vs. counter-clock wise, all-over-the-place vs. neat-like-a new-twine-spool ? Thanks for the awesomeness.
Apr 13, 2009. 3:19 PMyanggers says:
I sent this question to * and got a reply right away. Sorry I didn't remember to put it in the comments until a year latter! Here is what she said:
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The winding direction doesn't matter so much, so long as you connect the two secondaries together so that they add in the end, rather than subtract. You can find that out by measuring the voltage across the two leftover leads (you want it to be around 20).

The physics works out a little better if you wind the secondaries neatly. It will still _work, if it's not neat, though. You'll also be able to stuff more windings in the space if you wind neatly, than if you don't.

Cheers! I wanna see the welder, when you're done!
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Mar 2, 2009. 1:12 AMeric m says:
No explanation of phase or direction of winding versus primary.

http://www.geocities.com/aaawelder/index.html
Feb 13, 2009. 6:03 PMskuitarman says:
how many amps can you get out of it???
Jan 25, 2009. 4:22 PMopenwater says:
I got about 20' of 10ga. 3-strand copper stranded wire leftover from an old job. Should I use it, or just go buy the solid wire?
Jan 28, 2009. 1:37 PMstasterisk says:
stranded should be fine.
Jun 17, 2008. 7:57 PMjdpower says:
Can I use 8ga. stranded insted of 10ga. solid ? Also what if I move on down the scale to a larger wire?
Dec 21, 2008. 9:35 PMmicojoy says:
better solid wire. you can use larger wire it is much better but the only problem maybe the space in the core.
Aug 7, 2008. 1:17 AMstasterisk says:
Yes, bigger guage is always good. You may have a hard time stuffing it in the gap of the secondary, though.
Jul 26, 2008. 8:58 AMDerin says:
nothing,you will just be able to get more amps from it
Dec 1, 2008. 2:59 PMmaxpower49 says:
is there still some shilding on the new wire
Nov 26, 2008. 3:29 PMCoffee bean says:
one word......tesla
Jun 6, 2008. 2:29 PMoatmealfight says:
Wait, what are you winding the wire around? Is it around the primary windings? Or through the transformer somewhere?
Jun 6, 2008. 9:19 PMlukeyj15 says:
No you rip out the secondary windings and replace them with thicker stuff

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