Step 4: Wind the New Transformer Secondaries

We wound 20 turns of 10-guage wire on each transformer. That's just about how much wire would fit into the available space. It took a little over 20 feet of wire each.

tip: draw tally marks on your table to keep track of the number of windings.

How does a transformer work?
The primary winding is an electromagnet connected to alternating current.
The humming magnetic field of the primary induces a current to flow in the secondary winding. If both windings have the same number of turns, the output voltage is the same as the input.
(minus a smidgin due to eddy currents, resistance, etc.)
If the secondary has more turns than the input, its output voltage is higher. That's the type of transformer you started out with.

OUTPUT VOLTAGE = INPUT VOLTAGE * (NUMBER OF SECONDARY TURNS) / (NUMBER OF PRIMARY TURNS)

Our primary has 100 turns and gets connected to 100 volts AC. We're winding 20 turns on the secondary, so we'll get about 20 volts out.

The available POWER STAYS THE SAME regardless of what the output VOLTAGE is.
POWER (WATTS) = AMPS * VOLTS

If the primary is made take 1000 watts (100 volts * 10 amps) out of the wall, we'll be able to take 1000 watts out of the secondary. With 1/5 of the windings, we can draw 50 amps out of the secondary.

That's the cartoon version with play numbers anyway.
Over here in our shed full of reality we've got two of these beasts in series and plan to short the outputs through a welding rod like Jennifer Beals.

Let's just say we're going to pull a whole lot of amps, which is why we need to wind our secondary with such thick wire.

The copper conductor in ten-guage wire happens to be 1/10" (0.1") in diameter.

Here's a table of conductor diameter, guage, and current rating.

<p>Your breaker is tripping because the plugs that your welder are plugged into are in the same circuit you need to have them 180 degrees from eachother so they a re on diffrent circuits King of random talked about it pretty good honestly and yes this will require lots of extension cords I know I wasn't happy about having cords running through my house either.</p>
<p>Could one use a bridge rectifier to solve the issue?</p>
<p>I have some old transformers in my junk drawer but I don't know the wattage of the microwaves they were originally scavenged from. How do I determine the number of windings present such that I can determine the number of windings necessary for a proper secondary coil suitable for a M.O.T. welder?</p>
I have this 24vdc batter charger inverter
Can i use other transformer instead of MOT beacuse in our place MO are not much often used. But we have to many 12v or 24 batter charger inverter are available. Please give some suggestion
Their respected members i have a 24vdc batter charger inverter can done welding work with it without any modification. Plize reply comment
<p>hello, i have done my welder according to the instructable. now i wish to add a dimmer, push breaker and on/off switch. id this schematic good?</p>
<p>Why do you need to make a new secondary coil?</p>
Ahsan...sorry that you ran into so much trouble...I wish they were as wasteful over there as they are here (I have 8 transformers that I pulled from microwaves thrown to the garbage....free.....hahasad but true.<br><br>Anyhow you have to limit the current...a 5 pound transformer can only handle about 5 amps for a minute or so before the wire insulating the loops in the coil melts and shorts out... the problem is also that as it gets hotter it becomes easier for the insulation to melt (in the coils of the transformer especially....), so you need more experience then this to make a properly grounded setup before you do this, (and it isn't even safe WITH such a setup....but one way that I have sloppily thrown together a cooler is by putting the transformer inside acontainer and then putting that container into something shallow like a cookie pan or maybe just put mesh in the bottom of a bigger container to allow water to contact the bottom of the container that the transformer is in (metal is good for conduction of heat...but it makes it more dangerous)....then the outside of the transformer will not get much hotter than 100 Celsius (that is the boiling point of water.....assuming you keep it with water in it contacting the whole bottom surface....that will help the overall heat to disipate faster...but at a cost of safety more or less....sorry I cant be of more help....not too much time these days.
<p>What about putting transformer in large container filled with mineral oil?</p>
<p>good thinking...oil is used as a coolant...but it might be harder to get then water and also the fact that oil has higher viscosity (oil is more has more stickiness than say, 'water', it doesn't transport the heat away as well as something that is 'less viscous' (like water)...so it will end up cooling it...but won't dump the heat as easily as something that is thin like water...still you could use it if you had it....(more is better (MOST OF THE TIME)....overdesigned things NEVER BREAK....anyone who tells you different is a moron</p><p>;) good luck man.</p>
<p>I DO agree, over design is much better then under. Failures happen much more frequently with 'lightweight' components....</p>
<p>I like the OIL idea, water, unless it's PURE, as in distilled, is a vry good condutor of electricity and a real safety hazard.</p>
<p>Quite nicely done! I may try this before shelling out for one of those off the shelf models. I am only interested in welding layers to make billets for forge welding (another arena) for making blades and doing reproduction work on old style knives (Damascus steel). Once I get some practice, I might want to try other types of welds, but for now this would really do the trick.Good work!</p>
I made these transformer with 1 having 25 turns and other having 20 turns but i can only get 17.68 volts max, i had check series and all connections but still unable to get 38 or above volts, can any one help?
it kinda looks like you kept the secondary coils instead of the primaries. i dont know if this would make problems for you. should give you a lower voltage though and probably cant handle the amperage your putting through it. the coils you need to be using are the ones with thicker wire and less windings. idk if thats the problem but seems plausible.
<p>Where N is the number of turns on transformer &ldquo;x&rdquo; or &ldquo;y&rdquo;<br>respectively, you can create two equations and two unknowns and solve for the<br>number of turns that you made and then check to see if the voltages 120V X Nx&hellip;out<br>of transformer X is what it theoretically should be (or close to it)&hellip;if not,<br>then think about why&hellip;</p><p>25/Nx (240)+20/Ny (240)=17.68 volts and</p><p>Nx(120) + Ny(120) =240 volt</p><p>6000/(Nx)+ 4800/(Ny) = 17.68 volt</p><p>120(Nx) + 120(Ny) = 240 Volt</p><p>Divide the 2 equations gives -&agrave;<br>((120(Nx)^2)/6000) + ((120(Ny)^2)/4800) = (240 Volt/17.68 Volt)</p><p>(3(Nx)^2/150) + (3(Ny)^2/120) = 13.575Volt/Volt&hellip;.--&gt;</p><p>Then solve for nx or ny and plug it back into one or the<br>other equation to get the other then check the voltage in each transformer to<br>make sure that it is somewhat close to the values you got (it wont be exact<br>because of impedance and nothing is theoretically perfect (resistence and<br>losses will make sure of that&hellip;., but it should be near the values&hellip;.</p>
I wired in series and used 220vac and it works great...before i had it wired 110vac and had them wired in parallel and it worked but kept tripping the breaker but, it worked.
<p>what gauge wire is used in primary side? </p>
Made it, works great but still need to practice because im horrible at welding right now.
I made two transformers 1 with 28 turns other with 20 turms then center tap both of them, have check series several times, still i can only get 17.89 volts, can any one help?
<p>In general, if you add the two sources in series then you add the voltage....BUT...also you have to take into account that IF the transformers are different sizes and or different number of turns, or different size wiring, then the impedances of the individuals dont add together like 1volt + 1 volt = 2 volts...but rather 1 + 1 = 1.3 volts (a made up example).<br><br>Can you do anything about it....well if you want more voltage, more turns of wire and perhaps smaller wire if needed...or....if you want and can get another transformer of the same size and make them identical in design, then the theoretical voltage should add up like the 1 volt + 1 volt = 2 Volt example above.....so another words, to simplify things you should have the same transformers because the impedance will be the same in each respectively.<br><br>I am not an electrical engineer (I am a mechanical engineer), but I think that is the information you need. Hope it helps.</p>
thanks brother for your help it is very useful information for me but i already have bought 3 old transformers and waisted almost 30 meters of wire. here we already have 220 voltage so i think i don't to make two sources.<br><br>But as i was trying to resolve it I gave both primary coils 220, 220 volts from different sources and centre tap the secondary coils and it actually worked, but soon after 10 seconds secondary coils were smoked, i used insulated 8 gauge stranded copper wire. Then i did same with three transformers together and power was enormous but they could only survive 15 max.<br>
<p>in uganda we use 240v instead of 110v power mains, would i still need to connect the transformers in series</p>
<p>It depends on the breakers for the circuits...I assume that with a 240 volt mains, it would be be connected to a 50 amp breaker.....so that means that the mains will dump 240 Volts at 50 amps...ie 240*50 Volt Amps....or 1200 Volt amps...ie 1.2KVa....if the breaker was a 30 amp breaker off your mains then it would be 240 Volts times 30 Amps to equal 720Volt Amps or 0.72KVa.....</p><p>That means that with the same voltage ...bigger breaker is better....so 50 amp would be better than 30 amp....now comes the safety part...</p><p>In order for the TRANSFORMERS to handle MORE AMPS they have to be bigger (the weight of the metal has to be bigger ....that way it doesn't over heat (the metal in the transformer can distribute the heat better if it is more massive...more surface area to get rid of the heat faster and more volume to take up the created electric flux field....</p><p>Also the wires need to be bigger to handle more amps....there are rules of thumb, but if you get 10 gauge wire...and just make sure that it doesnt get much hotter than will burn you, then you should be okay...you just make sure to turn it off before it gets that hot....(also remember that just because the surface is not hot enough to burn you doesnt mean that the wires in the inside of the transformer (the ones you cant touch) are not getting hot enough to burn you. </p><p>The heat burns through the insulation creating a short so dont destroy your transformer by letting it get to hot...</p><p>there is much more too it, but hopefully that helps....</p><p>more transformers are better than less....and also if your stick wont start an arc, then it is likely too low of a voltage (so add another transformer in series....and if </p><p>the welder sounds more like it is cooking bacon in grease, then that means that your amperage is too low for what you are welding...so increase it...(one way to increase it would be by using less wraps of thicker wire...</p><p>good luck man.</p>
<p>hey, do you think 4 (or less, it's just the amount of them that i have) beat up CRT televisions would be any good as to do something as this? Great Instructable :)</p>
How would you lower current to weld thinner material like a bought one. Is there a circuit to reduce it
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<p>Is it possible to use amplifier power cable (8 AWG) with this project?</p><p>Also if i put a light switch dimmer on the 240v input would this be able to control the power?</p>
<p>Just curious, how did the 10 AWG wire work for you? I've got some 8 AWG and some 1 AWG, might test both out</p>
<p>I really like the information. I have started my own project and have the transformers both wound with 20 turns of 10 awg insulated wire. I have 23 vac out one transformer and 22 ac v out the other. Will these voltages be ok? </p>
just a quick question for better understanding when you wrap the 10g wire around for the secondary winding do you strip any insulator from it or leave it on?
<p>Leave it insulated, transformers work off of the magnetic flux running through the windings; if they are not insulated the path is much shorter, and not wound at all. </p>
I left it on and it works alright
In the process of removing my secondaries i bent the primaries on one of my transformers. Should i keep going with it or scrap it and find another junk microwave? They look to be fine and dont look like they will short out but looks can be deceaving. Is there any way to test the primary coils to see if they are junk?
I actually dropped my core and it did slightly damage my primary. but it was still usable. I say keep going and if it doesn't work then use another one
this is stolen from Grant Thompson, who made a much prettier one
<p>to be fair, people have been making these for ages. Also its includes her experiences with the project so it is not the same thing.</p>
Would there be a problem if I used two different sized transformers?
100% honest, I ran 2 plugs in a series and I thought I was running them each on a separate fuse in my garage but I wasn't, then I turn it on and the power goes out. I tried resetting the breaker box but I still haven't gotten any power. Im almost positive I made a mistake when I tried to run an extra plug
<p>if you didwire 2 plugs to 1 transformer than your house=Fried</p>
<p>I would highly recommend a larger wire than 10 AWG. My 70A welder has what looks like 8AWG and it gets so hot that it actually melts during long welds. Its helps to use the same exact wire on the electrodes that you've used around the transformers, because you can at least feel when it is getting too hot before it melts and causes a fire, but the minimum is not recommended.</p><p> I've looked at many of these DIY welders and the reason that they are a fire hazard is that many of them use a smaller wire around the transformers than they use on the transformer. If you do that, you will never know when the wire inside is getting overloaded. At that point, it will get so hot that it can ignite a wooden enclosure, or short to the case and melt the steel.</p>
<p>Quick question, How dumb is it to try and run one of these with no power controller like a VARIAC?</p><p>(or the SCARIAC from grant thompson)</p>
<p>Its either full on, or completely off. You'd melt the metal!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>But melting metal i is what you want to do. Correct this is full on, but that doesn't mean it can't do a range of work. By selecting the rod size and adjusting the technigue used</p>
<p>Not dumb at all. As is this can do fairly large range of welding jobs depending on the skill of the operator.. Using multiple transformers one can create a unit with selectable heat ranges. Multiple heat ranges cane be created depending on how one winds the secondary on a sing transformer frame. Basic commercially available welders don't have very sophisticated power controllers. Simple is less expensive and trouble free for years</p>
<p>Its either full on, or completely off. You'd melt the metal!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Why dont my posts stay, so I follow this website for the dimmer,</p><p>scr-based switching circuitry to vary the power,</p><p><a href="http://www.dansworkshop.com/2008/03/homebuilt-arc-welder/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dansworkshop.com/2008/03/homebuilt-arc-...</a></p><p>I hope this isnt gunna cost more then \$100 cuz I coulda just bought a welder.</p>