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In this instructable I will be demonstrating how to build a pocket radiation detector or "PIRD." The parts for this radiation detector will all be salvaged (that means no pricey GM tube off of ebay), but building will require steady hands and alot of patience! This is a "clicking" radiation detector, unlike many other DIY versions without a Gieger-Muller tube out there, and I have yet to see anyone try this concept and/or make one like it. Although it may not be as sensitive or practical as a standard geiger counter, it does detect background radiation (most likely gamma rays). Similar concepts are seen on the CERN website, demonstrating the potential to detect both alpha rays and background radiation: (http://teachers.web.cern.ch/teachers/archiv/hst2000/teaching/expt/new/new.htm) and on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzglpP3D2tQ).

Here is a video testing it using a small amount of radioactive Americium found in a smoke detector:

Step 1: How it Works

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This geiger counter works on similar principles that any other ordinary geiger counter works on. Essentially there is a small gap between two wires - a high dc voltage is applied to both wires, and when an ionizing particle moves between the wires, an ion channel is created and electrons arc across the wires, creating an audible "click" on a radio. Normally, the gap is inside of what is called a "geiger muller tube," where gases ideal for ionization are held for increased sensitivity. With this geiger counter, the absence of gases ideal to ionization is made up for by placing the wires in closer proximity to one another (so close that to the human eye they appear to be touching). The process of slowly moving the wires closer to one another is called "spark gap quenching".
 
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redox6022 years ago
How should a potentiometer be soldered into the circuit in order to adjust the voltage output? With one AA battery, I'm getting 360V, and with two AA batteries, I'm getting 650V. I'd like to be right around 400.

use a resistor to cut the differance

where did you conect the radio?

to the batery where else

jiovine3 years ago
Hi, I like your project. However I am not convinced you're detecting gamma radiation. If you like to verify the function of your detector, it's a pretty straight forward test. Bring a radioactive source close to your detector. If it is detecting radioactivity you ought to see and hear an uptick in the number of radioactive particles detected when the source is close by.
TheHomebrewGuru (author)  jiovine3 years ago
I don't have any radioactive samples, I'll try to get my hands on some Americium. But judging by the fact that I only hear the clicks once or twice every couple on minutes, it's a safe bet. Also, a similar idea was published on the CERN website as an educational experiment for use in detecting gamma radiation
Go to a hospital and see if you can pick some up from X-ray those cancer treatment rooms.

My friends in the medical business tell me that nobody is allowed near rad sources, except the patient and the technician. It's a security issue. And rooms where those treatments occur will not be "leaking" outside the clearly marked areas. It would be a bad thing to detect radiation outside those limits.

But, if you do know how to get some low-risk samples to test this I would really like to hear about it. :) Good luck!

Spark detectors can detect alpha particles but not beta, gamma or x-rays. If you look at this youtube video you can see a video of a alpha particle spark detector I built a while ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzglpP3D2tQ



TheHomebrewGuru (author)  jiovine3 years ago
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TheHomebrewGuru (author)  jiovine3 years ago
http://teachers.web.cern.ch/teachers/archiv/hst2000/teaching/expt/new/new.htm
grospietro1 year ago

Molto interessante, bisogna provarlo!

rfox41 year ago
How difficult would this be to modify for use with a Geiger Muller tube?
florinc rfox41 year ago
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Add in a variable resistor in the positive side of the output circuit, and then connect a GM tube to the rest of the output circuit and adjust the resistor.

mammasboy2 years ago
Does the PIRD have much range? in the video the Americium was right next to it, at kind of ranges can it detect radioactive materiel's?
It depends in the type of radiation, Americium-241 produces almost all alpha particles , which are like positive helium ions (going quite fast) so only goes about a cm in air.
beta radiation on the other hand is a electron(or in some rare cases a positron) so can go up to 15cm , sources include potassium-40 (in bananas) and tritium(hydrogen-3 in the SUSAT)
The last type of radiation is gamma rays which is literally light but at a very high frequency so can travel through materials easily , (similar to xrays but higher energy so goes through bone)
all are very dangerous but if you haven't got any protection try to stick to alpha because unless ingested its pretty safe
Its great :)
interesting one
chocokitti2 years ago
The tips of the brass screws I used seem to corrode very quickly. It sparks frequently at first but tapers off and after several seconds it does not work at all. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
There is the possibility that when the screws corrode, it creates some kind of residue or something that acts as an insulator, you might want to check that out.
sciman12 years ago
why not make a simple wooden bracket to hold two small machine thread srews.
kinda like a ~||_||~ u shaped bracket with the screws from either side.
then you could pretty simply just twist in one of the bolts till it "auto quenched"
sand the tips of the srews to remove any burrs... DONE.
Maters2 years ago
Nice instructable but the name is funny for me cuz PIRD in my language means - to fart.
The spark gap quenching could be accomplished easily using an insulating bracket and two finely threaded screws facing each other (tip to tip). Such a configuration would also lend itself more easily to recalibration.
I was thinking something like wires held in by screws to calibrate, but this sounds much easier!
kelseymh3 years ago
That is a really awesome I'ble! I wish I had seen it before Randy, so I could get the glory of Featuring it :-)

I had a bit of trouble following the pictures and descriptions -- you might consider using the "image notes" to identify exactly where in each picture we should focus.

One comment about your "ambient air" G-M counter. You note that when properly aligned, the counter should discharge every minute or two. That's consistent with sea-level cosmic ray rates in the Northern Hemisphere. I wonder if you could get a more quantitative calibration using an Am-241 source scavenged from a smoke detector?

TheHomebrewGuru (author)  kelseymh3 years ago
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Nicely done. And a good demonstration that your device really does work to detect ionizing radiation. Thanks!
TheHomebrewGuru (author)  kelseymh3 years ago
I'll try to get my hands on some soon
florinc3 years ago
Have you tested it using some radioactive material (lie tungsten rods or mantle)?
TheHomebrewGuru (author)  florinc3 years ago
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TheHomebrewGuru (author)  florinc3 years ago
I don't have any radioactive substances to test it out, but something similar was posted on the CERN website as an educational tool: http://teachers.web.cern.ch/teachers/archiv/hst2000/teaching/expt/new/new.htm
emcelhannon3 years ago
I want to see yours tested on a smoke detector.
TheHomebrewGuru (author)  emcelhannon3 years ago
I'm going to ask a friend if I can have his old ones
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ricks3 years ago
We built this but only see about 200 volts or so when connected to a 3v button cell pack. While we hold the button cell to the leads, the HV output continuously drops.

On an earlier build we thought if 3V gets us 200, then 8v might get use 500 or so, but it seemed to "kill" the unit. Back to the store for a new camera.

Any ideas on what we are doing wrong. We are nowhere close to the 400-600 volts needed to allow the ionization.

TheHomebrewGuru (author)  ricks3 years ago
I got 400-600v easy. And do not buy cameras, ask for free used disposable cameras from stores that develop photos. I got hundreds (not to mention free AA batteries). Try a different model camera or make sure that your batteries have enough juice
atrumblood3 years ago
Hmm this looks like a fun project. In the field I work in we deal with compact radiation sources that I could test this on. Something a little more "hot" than an old smoke detector.
techno guy3 years ago
that's pretty cool, i didn't think it would be possible by just putting the contacts close together, but apparently i was wrong
Caspar3 years ago
ps. Am-241 might not have penetrating radiation and may be poisonous. Check the MSDS.
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