Build your own Electric Car!

 by bennelson
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Step 5: Motor

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What's an electric car without a big electric motor to run it!?

I bought my motor for $50 out of some guy's garage. He had bought a junky forklift to build his own automotive lift, and had no use the the motor and some other parts.

The motor was very rusty and greasy, but it did spin (not fast or easily) when I applied 12 volts to it.

Rebuilding an electric motor is very easy. There are only a handful of parts to it.
I degreased it, removed the coils and sprayed them with insulating epoxy, checked the bearings, put it back together, and painted it.

I also had the machinist put the rotor on his lathe and take a tiny bit off the commutator. That makes it looks new, and provides a smooth, conductive surface for the brushes to ride on.

I also replaced the brushes, purchasing new ones at a shop that specializes in forklift motors. $50 for the new brushes brings the total cost of $100 for a pretty decent electric motor.


 
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jimmerforpoy says: Jun 9, 2011. 9:37 PM
could anyone recommend a really cheap one for a medium sized go-cart to go about 60mph?
rwolkens in reply to jimmerforpoyAug 25, 2011. 10:57 AM
I don't know if I'm right or not, but I had a thought of using a washing machine motor. I runs at a pretty high rpm on the spin cycle, can handle a big load of wet laundry, is nice and small and compact, and you can find old working washing machines pretty cheap or free all day long on freecycle or craigslist. I thought that I might find a laundromat that was upgrading or getting rid of an old "Texas" sized machine or two, and a pair of those motors could work in a car, or a single one for an ev motorcycle project.
bennelson (author) in reply to rwolkensAug 25, 2011. 11:29 AM
Generally, a washing machine motor is going to be AC. For this project everything is DC.

You need a completely different type of device to control the speed of an AC motor than that of a DC motor.

HOWEVER, I do know several people with in interest in DIRECT DRIVE washing machine motors. Some front-loading washers now have the motor directly on the tub, instead of connected by a belt. Those motors have a plenty of torque, and might be modified to be HUB MOTORS - going directly on the wheels of a vehicle.
Justdoofus in reply to bennelsonDec 27, 2011. 5:01 PM
Bennelson,
If I remember correctly, Washing machine motors are Universal, Meaning.... well. I'm sure you already know.

I've tried to run a Vacuum motor from a 12 amp, 1 1/2 HP vacuum cleaner. It worked very well. Spun slower than usual, but hey, it's only 12 volts with over 4 amps going through it.

But I can't recall trying a washing machine motor, I may have, but still, I don't remember. Brighten me on the subject.
bennelson (author) in reply to JustdoofusDec 27, 2011. 7:56 PM
Washing machine motors are very small. They are NOT designed for high amperage continuous use.

The motor I used in my electric car weighs about as much as an entire washing machine. (Ok, I exaggerate, but not by much....)
Justdoofus in reply to bennelsonDec 27, 2011. 9:15 PM
Alright then, So then I can consider using it for RC applications then? I have two 12 volts that I want to use, and an old high amperage radio controlled relay board for turning on the steering motor and the drive motor.

In this case, drive motor = washing machine motor.

Anyway.. I found a kit online at : http://www.e-volks.com/electric_car_conversions.html? and was wondering if I can use that. Or do you think it's too cheap? I find it extremely affordable. Thanks.
bennelson (author) in reply to JustdoofusDec 28, 2011. 7:05 AM
That kit looks fine for just a small town car. Should be good for a Metro, Classic VW Bug, or similar small, lightweight car.

The max voltage of the controller will limit speed, but not a problem if you are just in the city anyways.
sanwal says: May 21, 2011. 9:22 PM
can we attach the motor shaft directly to the tyres????
Justdoofus in reply to sanwalDec 27, 2011. 5:02 PM
Bit of a late response; You could, but you'd need two for the front, or two for the back, unless you want the motor to be running with great difficulty.

also the downside to that is it isn't geared down. Connecting a 100+ HP motor to the transmission is going to work better than connecting them directly to the tires.
Funk_D says: Apr 30, 2009. 7:23 PM
What part of the forklift exactly did this come from? Is it part of the lifting mechanism or does it actually propel the forklift? Because i've never seen a fully electric forklift except the ones at like lowes or something.
rwolkens in reply to Funk_DAug 25, 2011. 11:09 AM
I drove a semi truck over the road for 15 years, and let me tell you, all grocery store distribution centers, food production facilities (such as ice cream plants), and freezer warehouses use electric forklifts, pallet jacks, and deep reaches. They can't have fumes building up from propane lifts in a closed freezer environment.

I believe that the electric motor drives the forklift and a hydraulic pump for the lift.
The_Tom in reply to rwolkensOct 16, 2011. 9:31 PM
i work at Bloomsfield Bakery. A food factory in California and I'm pretty sure they all use propane forklifts they all have a propane tank on the back and you can feel and smell the hot exhaust come out of a football sized hole in the back
bennelson (author) in reply to rwolkensAug 25, 2011. 11:38 AM
A typical electric forklift has a large electric motor to drive the wheels, and then a different electric motor (or 2) to run the hydraulic pump (or pumps) for the lifting mechanics.

The drive motor is typically a series-wound DC motor with FOUR power connectors on it. This allows for very simple control of spinning the motor in either direction - forward and reverse drive on the forklift.

The hydraulic pump motor typically does NOT have a driveshaft. Instead, it has a female connection, and the driveshaft is on the PUMP that it drives. You can still use a pump motor as a drive motor for an electric car, but would have to design a "stub-shaft" with bearing to connect the motor to your car.

Pump motors typically also only rotate the one direction, so make sure that's the direction you need the motor to turn in your car! With only the two power connections, it's more difficult to reverse the direction of the motor. You need to open the motor and reverse JUST the field coils connection inside. On a series wound motor, just reversing the power cables to the motor will NOT reverse the direction of the spin. (You are reversing both the armature AND the field coils. Backwards of backwards is still forwards....)
ironsmiter in reply to Funk_DMay 26, 2009. 10:24 PM
hehe, you must not work in an industrial business. While about 3/4 the fork trucks I've driven were either diesel or propane, the remaining 1/4 were pure electric. Air-fuel lifts tend to have hydraulic lift motors. Electric lifts(the old ones anyhow) usually use Large DC motors for motivation, and hydraulic lifters, powered by a DC motor driven hydraulic pump. As a general rule, the motors in those electric pallet trucks you see at stores are entirely wrong for automotive applications. The Forkenswift project used electric lift motors, as the main drive motor was WAY too big to fit inside the little geo engine bay. Given the engine bay of, say a Chevrolet Bel Air, you might be able to utilize the big drive motor(orientation would help too). As a side not, using the large drive motor... while top speed might be an issue without having it rewound, power would NEVER be an issue :-) The one I last looked at was rated at 218HP, though it maxed at 9MPH.
tinker234 says: Jun 6, 2011. 8:23 PM
hey could anyone recomend a super fast motor to use
bennelson (author) in reply to tinker234Jun 7, 2011. 8:05 AM
Try this one.
http://www.evsource.com/tls_warp11.php
tinker234 in reply to bennelsonJun 7, 2011. 2:27 PM
ok thanks
Jimmy Proton says: May 25, 2011. 8:05 PM
Thats a nice motor!
jevygill says: Feb 9, 2011. 7:17 AM
need help

creating a electric for my engineering project need to know the specs of the motor that u used . please its real urgent
bennelson (author) in reply to jevygillFeb 9, 2011. 9:00 AM
As you can see in the "rusty motor" photo, this motor did NOT have an ID plate directly on it.

It came out of a forklift designed to run on either 36 or 48 volts.
I cleaned up the motor, revarnished the field coils, replaced the brushes, and painted it.

The motor weighs between 100 and 150 pounds.
I have mostly run it at 72V, and it works very well. I have experimentally run it at as high as 144V.

To run at high voltage, It would be a good idea to advance the brush timing.

Horsepower can be calculated based on electrical power used. At 72V, I might use 100 amps to cruise down the road, that's 7200 watts. One horsepower is roughly 750 watts. So, that's roughly 10 horsepower.

However, I have run the motor at 144V at 300 amps, that's around 55 horsepower. Keep in mind that you don't have to rev an electric motor to get power the way you do with a gas engine.

Also, an electric motor typically has more torque than a gas engine.
Slovakolarik says: Jul 2, 2010. 12:29 AM
i noticed in the vid that you connected the motor a certain way and it went backwards. i just noticed that you never mentioned anything about the car going in reverse. wouldnt reversing the polarity on the motor make it go in reverse or would that then short the batteries some how. im not as bright as i used to be so i cant seem to figure out how this would effect the batteries
bennelson (author) in reply to SlovakolarikJul 2, 2010. 8:39 AM
A series-wound motor has two electro-magnetic fields. If you switch the polarity of the batteries to the motor THE MOTOR STILL SPINS THE SAME DIRECTION because BOTH magnetic fields change direction. Backwards of backwards is still forward. A motor like this has 4 power connections - a positive and a negative for both the inner magnet (armature or rotor) and the outer magnet (stator) The negative of one is connected to the positive of the other, so that the electricity runs "In Series" through both magnetic fields. To reverse the direction of the motor, the short cable on the motor connecting the two sets of magnetic fields needs to reversed. Since my car simply uses the reverse gear in the transmission, I just needed to make sure the motor spins the right direction the first time, so that I have 5 speeds forward and one reverse instead of the opposite!
Slovakolarik in reply to bennelsonJul 2, 2010. 10:07 AM
o i see now. i completely missed the fact of it being a motor. i confused myself into thinking, that because the clutch and that whole assembly was taken out of the transmission, the gears wouldnt shift. thanks for the reply.
jghickeyiii says: Jan 27, 2010. 6:46 PM
Would this engine work?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Toyota-Lift-Truck-Alternator-6FD-30-2DZ-Engine-290-207_W0QQitemZ350304025741QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518fbf3c8d

also could you create a parts list so i can buy all this stuff up before the summer?
 
fatboy106 says: Jan 1, 2010. 4:48 PM
boyaka says: Nov 20, 2009. 4:24 PM
if you did the same wiring just started at a difference terminal would it matter
like if you used the other bottom terminal

emilsonribeiro says: Jul 30, 2009. 8:09 AM
Can you tell more about de motor (Volts, Ampers, Potency and rpm)? Thank you
bennelson (author) in reply to emilsonribeiroJul 30, 2009. 8:44 AM
The motor was a drive motor from a Nissan 36/48V electric forklift. It bolted directly to the differential to power the two big wheels on the forklift. It did not have an ID plate on the motor listing ANY specs. I run the motor at 72V, and have experimentally run it at up to 144V. (It's dang fast at 144V!) Ironsmiter is correct that it has good power, but not fantastic speed. Still a great motor for $50! This is a 10" diameter motor, which is the biggest that can fit on a Geo Metro, otherwise the motor would prevent you from installing the passenger-side wheel drive-shaft. The Forkenswift guys ended up using a hydraulic pump motor. Those motors usually do NOT have a driveshaft on them, making them difficult to couple to a transmission. They ended up having a machinist design a "stub-shaft" to connect everything together. That's do-able, but extra work and NOT ideal.
emilsonribeiro in reply to bennelsonJul 30, 2009. 9:39 AM
Thank you. Do you know whant de potency and RPM? I will try to make it here (Brazil) i to know RPM and potency (i dont know whats the currect name in english) for example 6,5KW or some like 70 horse force. Thank you to reply
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