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For many years I have been interested in Gypsy Wagons or "vardos" and western sheepherder wagons. As it isn't practical for me to have an authentic, horse-drawn lifestyle I decided to make a version towable at highway speeds. After reading just about every book I could find on wagons, caravans, old-school RV construction and trailers, a model began to take shape in my head. For me, it needed to be short and maneuverable, sleep two to three people, and still have the air of old world craftsmanship. This meant not looking like a modern RV. My secondary goal was that it should cost as little as possible without sacrificing sturdiness or basic comfort. Finally, I decided on wood as the primary building material as that is what I am familiar with and is definitely a very cozy and comfortable medium for a living space.

Most of the actual work was performed with a table saw, band saw, drill, and a slew of hand tools as I found time around my day job. Although I don't really consider it "done", it is complete enough to use and is currently on the road.

Step 1: The Mock-up

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After about fifty sketches and lots of graph paper renderings, I decided I needed to visualize this in three dimensions. Here is my cardboard mock-up of the final design. An earlier version is visible behind it but this one had a lot of appeal for me. My requirements were 7' width for sleeping cross-ways, 8-10' long, and enough height to stand up in. A collapsible bed and table allow for a shorter overall wagon. The first drawing above probably gives the most accurate dimensions for the final product. You can see some changes in design even as I approached the final product.
 
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pneumatist made it!11 months ago
See what you started.
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I like your design overall. I kinda wished I had used the quarter.... can't think what is called. What you built your walls with.
I used car siding tongue and groove.
Also like your colors.
Here's what I'm doing. I also have a blog.
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paleotool (author)  1stimevardobuilder1 month ago
Looks great. I enjoyed building my so much I think I'll have to make another sometime. What's your blog address?
Check out this awesome Instructable.

We're planning a trip up to the Keweenaw Peninsula in late September. The fall leaves should be in full color.
A good friend of mine Gary and his wife Linda are traveling with us, with their bowtop.
After spending a few days in Keweenaw then we're going East though the U.P. and across the Mackinaw bridge and down the West coast of MI.
I say all this; inviting you to travel with us.




http://www.instructables.com/id/Building-a-Ledge-Vardo
paleotool (author)  pneumatist 7 months ago
Awesome stuff. The more the merrier! Hope we all cross paths down the road sometime too.
RussPNW made it!9 months ago

Very nice! I made (am making) one of these in Washington State.

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paleotool (author)  RussPNW7 months ago
Looks awesome! I love the mollycroft.
sirBart made it!1 month ago

See what you started?

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paleotool (author)  sirBart29 days ago

Looks great, and somewhat familiar. Like a close close cousin or sibling. How's the interior coming along?

I can't imagine where I got the color scheme ;-) I've been following you very closely to this point, but this is where our design paths will diverge.

Got the prefinished oak floor and a sleeping platform installed, but we aren't quite ready for glam photos on that front. Windows and screens are in, and I've made a few "get out of the house and into the mountains" excursions with it. I'm putting in a 12V electrical system, and doing some space planning, but at this point, I'm happy to let needs dictate the design. I'm thinking about insulation, closet space, lighting -- so many decisions!

I did a weighing at this point: 1850 pounds for the 5x8 utility trailer, everything you see here, spare tire, and minimal interior.
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bethmwl1 month ago

FUNtastic. I love the cute little things, like the mirror, holder for lantern, nooks and crannies used for storage.

paleotool (author)  bethmwl29 days ago

Thanks.

I've got another question for you Paleotool, and for anyone else that's built a wagon. After ridiculous delays in getting the money together I've bought a truck and I'm going to be getting the trailer to use for my wagon in the next few weeks. When you finished your wagon, what was the weight of the wagon?

Check out this awesome Instructable.



http://www.instructables.com/id/Building-a-Ledge-Vardo
talkinglens1 month ago

That's a great truck. What is it?

paleotool (author)  talkinglens1 month ago
If your asking about the current vehicle it's a Toyota Tacoma PreRunner with the towing package.
KyleJ55 months ago

This looks awesome! I do have a couple questions though. What size trailer did you build this on? Would this be doable on a 4x8 foot harbor freight trailer? Do you have any idea on the weight? How is it driving? Any problems with cross winds or aerodynamics?

paleotool (author)  KyleJ54 months ago

Y\Of course you can build on any trailer you choose to match your design. I would want something sturdier than a Harbor Freight trailer or would reinforce it a lot. It's about 1500# empty and can vary a lot with what is packed inside. No problems pulling it with either a full-sized Ford truck or a smaller Tacoma with a towing package. With a cargo box on the roof of the truck there is no real wind issues. You do feel it in a heavy front wind otherwise. It certainly isn't streamlined but that is part of her charm.

GregR54 months ago

Howdy!

I love this design! I was wondering if you had experienced any issues with moisture related problems? We live in the Phoenix area, and I've noticed that my current camping trailer, really a kitchen and a storage unit for our gear, made out of plywood, suffers a great deal when we head up to the White Mountains in summer. It seems that the wood that is so dry down here in the desert sucks up the moisture from the summer afternoon thunderstorms, and suddenly doors don't want to shut or open, and things seem to warp. I'm very interested in this design, and was wondering if you had any experience or advice you may be able to send my way!

Thanks for the design and the inspiration!

Greg

paleotool (author)  GregR54 months ago

Greg,

All little campers have moisture and air-exchange issues. Even after air-drying the wood I still had issues, more with shrinkage than expansion. Lots of varnish and paint help as does a high volume solar-powered air exchanger (the type for ventilating a cabin or engine room for a yacht). It has stabilized now and I have taken it from the Mexican border to Canada. There are still times when it is extremely wet when I need to make sure the door shuts though.

There have been some uninformed comments about this wagon and others on this site and various forums about making it "air-tight". This is very foolish from a construction and living point of view. You will get bad air and mold very quickly as well as direct damage from moisture in a small space. A lesson that many amateur tiny house builder is learning the hard way right now. Very small spaces need more ventilation, not less. They are so easy to heat, that a little loss is of no consequense.

RowanCant4 months ago
I grew up in a house truck and I have to say, if you had put a push out bay on each side you would have doubled the size!
I really like the bunk bed idea. I wonder if a double on the bottom would work with a slanted wall for reduced wind resistance towing it.
paleotool (author)  RowanCant4 months ago
Yes indeed, those things work but from my point of view it would them morph into another type of RV altogether. There is some historical ties here I was looking for and it suits us very well. Thanks for the comment.

What a great inspiration. Last year I bought an old 17ft 5th wheel and I've been taking it apart wondering what I want to do. It came to me, A gypsy wagon. I love the Vardo style.

TheGreyWolfe6 months ago

Hi Paleo, I've been looking at your plans and I'm looking to modify them for my needs. Up at the beginning you mentioned reading a lot of books on the subject of Vardo's and I wondered if you could recommend some for me.

paleotool (author)  TheGreyWolfe6 months ago
Hello GreyWolfe. I hope I didn't imply there were a "lot" of books out there on Gypsy wagons. There are only a few specific to the Caravan but others on classic campers, teardrops, and old time wagons helped inform my design.

I read everything I could find. The first, and I think the best, for understanding both history and design variations in "The English Gypsy Caravan" by C. H. Ward-Jackson. This was the only thing I could find initially and when I was planning, there was almost nothing at all on the internet other than some old images. The next best to get is "Gypsies and Gentlemen" by Nerissa Wilson. This is a great book. Although a bit more difficult to get your hands on it is worth it. "Caravanning and Camping Out" by Harris Stone is another great one written in the heyday of the new caravan movement showing many alternative designs by people actually using their wagon as a full or part time home. It is available free online. "Gypsy Horses" is a beautiful book, mostly good for images of wagons of various types. "Les Roulottes, Une Invitation au Voyage" is another one for ideas. Very artsy weekend-type caravans for the most part but good stuff none the less. I found stuff on sheep camps as well but cannot think of titles right now. I don't own these books.

I also post links to articles, books, websites, etc. on my blog. Here is the "links" page if you are interested and haven't found some of these yet. You can also key word search my site by clicking on the appropriate links in the right hand column.

Good luck.

Thanks for the answer right away. I'd love to get the first one, but it'll probably have to wait a little bit. I also have the link to your blog now saved so I can revisit it later. With what you've done here and what I've found elsewhere and a few of the books you mentioned above, I should be able to build what i'm looking for. I'm planning on using a 12' trailer and making a 10' Vardo on it, and keeping the last 2 feet for a porch. Once I get started I'll do an instructable with pictures for it.

paleotool (author)  TheGreyWolfe6 months ago

That's a very livable size. I'm always wavering as to the "perfect" size wagon but my next will definitely have a porch. Good luck, I can't wait to see the build.

paleotool (author) 6 months ago
My "link" didn't take: http://paleotool.com/vardo-links/
Try it again!
paleotool (author) 7 months ago
Oh yeah, maybe you haven't read on to the part where is it covered in epoxy-coated steel?
nilef7 months ago

Thank you for your inspirations! Regarding the roof, I saw that you used felt and canvas. Although the the canvas is waterproof, have you experienced any mold or deterioration? Also, did you consider other materials prior to this particular selection? Thank you

paleotool (author)  nilef7 months ago
No problems yet. I worked to keep it breathable, hence the roofing felt and canvas. The low ridge metal (hopefully) will allow for enough breathing to vent any trapped water. If I ever move to the northwest, who knows?

It's beautiful! Do you know what the hitch weight is? I would love to have something similar someday.

I found a thin insulation with a great R rating. It looks like silver bubble wrap that is somewhat rigid. I used it at a ceiling in my shop and it keeps it toasty without taking up any space. Reflectix 48" x 25' rolls. I want to make one of these wagons so badly. Good luck everyone!

quinault10 months ago

Amazing! Super well done. Incredible

paleotool (author) 11 months ago

Wonderful work Pneumatist! I'd love to see more photos. Maybe you'd let me put a few up on my blog.

Twiztc11 months ago

I would just like to say what a wonderful piece of work you have created and written so well too. I grew up near a Gypsy camp in England and they were always so very pretty and I think you have captured there essence in your little wagon. Its wonderful to see people are still wanting to hand build these mobile creative wonders. Thank you

kkastel62 years ago
Just want to say, you've done a great job on this wagon. A total inspiration. Am building one over the next couple months. Am curious to know if you did install another window for iimproved ventilation as well as vent above bed?. Also in the discussion below, you said you added another layer of wood to side walls to keep wagon cooler in heat. Did you add insulation between? As to floor, did you insulate or use marine ply? I work up in the Gila 85 mi from T or C 9 months out of the year & intend to use my wagon for off time exploration in the SW & elsewhere. Thanks,
paleotool (author)  kkastel62 years ago
There is NO INSULATION, in the modern sense, anywhere in the wagon. No new windows yet but hope to make the decision over the winter, when it's easiest to work outside here. There is a solar powered vent over the bay window which make a world of difference in circulating the air. There is a 1" dead-air gap between the inner and outer walls that works well to insulate, but I may break down and fill with rigid foam someday based on some good advice from a builder friend. The floor is 1" exterior plywood underlayment covered with 3/4" oak planking.

I love the Gila and I wish you well on your build.

Updates to the wagon are documented on the blog site as I consider it an ongoing process, evolving with my needs, whims, and cash flow.

Speaking of the Bay window...Lol....how do you build a bay window? Any plans?

Thanks

aroowoof1 year ago

Hi, I'm considering a trailer for a project like yours. It is 12' long and has a 5000lb axle with leaf springs, but no brakes. Do you think having no brakes is okay considering how relatively light your wagon design is, or should I keep looking?

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