Buying used bikes for beginners

 by JacobAziza
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(The content in this Instructable first appeared in my new blog at http://biodieselhauling.blogspot.com/
To my 40 Instructables subscribers, and anyone who stumbles across this and likes it, be sure to take a look, as much of what I write isn't quite right for an Instructable.)


Bikes are perhaps the greatest human invention of all time.
They get you from where you are to where you want to between 2 and 5 times as fast as you could walk there, but they use absolutely no fossil fuel or external energy what-so-ever, which means they have basically no environmental impact and no operating costs beyond the original manufacture and purchase.

However, if you are not already a "bike person", the amount of choices in type and brand and size and accessories can be overwhelming.  If you buy new from a local bike shop, the salesperson will most likely walk you through the process of deciding what will fit your needs, but if you want to save money (and further reduce your eco-footprint) you should really buy everything you possible can used.

So, for the beginners who know just about nothing about bikes but want to get one from Craigslist, or perhaps a thriftstore or yardsale, I'm going to break down for you exactly what to look for and what to avoid.
 
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Step 1: About me

First, for anyone who doesn't know me personally, my credentials on the subject:

I began riding regularly for fun and transportation in 1992, when I was 12.  The next year I began riding to school every day, so that I could keep the bus money for other things.  In high school, in addition to daily commuting (to school and internship) and weekend rides of 40-100 miles, I began annual 4 day trips down the CA coast with a group of teachers and friends.  After college I went with the couple that had organized those annual rides from San Francisco to Puerto Vallarta Mexico, and went solo from there along the coast to Acapulco and then North to Mexico city (over an 8000ft pass) for a total of 2800 miles over 2 months.  When I returned, I took a job as a bicycle messenger.  I eventually ended up also working as a messenger in New York City.

In 20 years of serious riding, I have had a bmx bike, a steel touring bike, a British internal-hub drop-frame from the late 60s, a carbon fiber racing bike, an aluminum mountain bike, and two folding bikes, all of which together I paid a grand total of $450 for (of which $400 was the carbon fiber road bike).

Eventually I returned to CA where, for the past 5 years, my primary job has been as a hauler (mover, and handyman) which involves picking stuff up that people don't want anymore, and then finding new owners for those things. This involves either selling or giving away anything which is still useable (which is most of what I pick up), frequently on Craigslist.
My second job for the past 5 years has been as a mechanic in a tiny bike-shop of sorts, the Bike Station, whose primary service is FREE secure valet attended bicycle parking, but also offers relatively low-cost repairs.  Because we don't sell new bikes, and because we never turn anyone away for lack of bike quality, I have been able to work on a great variety of bikes, of all types and ages and cost levels, which is rare in any one shop.
(My third job is a reserve for the Coast Guard, but that isn't relevant to this at all)

And now... on to the content!
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StoryAddict says: May 16, 2013. 1:41 AM
I've been researching bike-building and purchasing used bikes for the last few weeks and now that I'm getting closer in my research, here your tutorial popped up like I conjured it. Thanks for all the useful info!
mcraghead says: May 15, 2013. 9:16 AM
Great work, sir!

One small item: in step 5, paragraph 7 or so, should "...and are (in theory**) less prone to flats." read "...more prone to flats?"
Your footnote seems to suggest that.

Thanks!
JacobAziza (author) in reply to mcragheadMay 15, 2013. 1:37 PM
You are correct, thanks for pointing it out.
It has been fixed
thomasthetankengine says: Apr 22, 2013. 4:03 PM
Wow thank you for all the info!! This is absolutely great. I'm planning on buying a Schwinn tonight. It's probably around 5-10 years old and it's a road bike. I found it through Craigslist and it seems to be in awesome condition. The seller is only asking $60!! They got it at a co-op a few years ago and never rode it, apparently they ride mostly mountain bikes. I'm SO excited. :-)
galaxie292 says: Feb 6, 2013. 1:21 PM
Been casually looking at used bikes online for a couple weeks before stumbling on this article. Great info. I had heard similar sentiments to yours on buying dept. store bikes previously, but other than "don't buy huffy" didn't really know what to look for. I feel much more confident looking around now. Thank you! Good job!
Bikebudy says: Dec 23, 2012. 12:33 AM
I would sooner buy a 30 year old bike and tune it up. Bikes today are mostly garbage.
I worked in retail where they sold these bikes of today and delt with some of the returns.
Your far better to find a good frame and put the parts on it, of the quality your willing to pay for. The worst part of todays bike is, they have kids put them together, lucky if they can tie their own shoes. Its realy sad ( recycle a Bicycle )
JacobAziza (author) in reply to BikebudyDec 23, 2012. 8:52 AM
Well, the whole point of this guide is to help people find good old bike rather than buying new, however, the modern bikes you buy in a bike shop are in no way similar to the bikes you buy in regular retail stores like Target, Walmart, or ToysRus. Your description is 100% correct for those bikes, but pretty much anything you buy in a shop will be incomparably better.
camping crazy says: Oct 29, 2012. 11:46 AM
My favourite bikes are raleigh mountain bikes they are high quality and last a long time.
abigail-nicole says: Sep 19, 2012. 12:55 PM
Rivendell Atlantis, sir? I am green with envy, but it is neither old nor cheap
JacobAziza (author) in reply to abigail-nicoleSep 19, 2012. 1:39 PM
yes, well...
Its just an example, to show what a triple chainring looks like.
JacobAziza (author) in reply to JacobAzizaSep 19, 2012. 1:40 PM
Someone who can recognize a Rivendale from the model is not the target demographic of this article anyway :P
abigail-nicole in reply to JacobAzizaSep 19, 2012. 2:06 PM
haha I just looked this up to link it to a friend buying a bike for the first time. Nice job with the instructable
mykiscool says: Jul 26, 2012. 10:12 AM
Where the heck did you find the carbon fiber racing bike for $400! The cheapest I found on craigslist was $850.
JacobAziza (author) in reply to mykiscoolJul 26, 2012. 11:53 AM
That was about 15 years ago, my friend found a "for sale" ad on a bulletin board at our school.
Trek 2120, one of the earliest carbon bikes - carbon main tubes, joined with aluminum lugs, and with aluminum stays and fork. I replaced the wheels with spinergys, the shifters with 105 STI, otherwise mostly left it stock.
Not race worthy by modern standards, but under 20lbs with water bottle and tools.

It got stolen last year by friends of my neighbor while I was on the East Coast for US Coast Guard training. It was locked to my touring bike (1970s Univega Gran Turismo) inside my locked shed, so they cut the steel frame to get to it.

I miss that bike :(
mykiscool in reply to JacobAzizaJul 26, 2012. 10:05 PM
Wow that really sucks, you really have to watch out for bike thieves. Even when you had it locked up properly it got stolen. Even if you have your bike locked securely you should not leave it in a public place unattended, you will come back with a cable cut or if you get a high end cable you will have a frame with no components.
JacobAziza (author) in reply to mykiscoolJul 27, 2012. 7:26 AM
Very true.
I recommend always using a U-lock, and always locking both wheels.

But in my case, I was gone for 3 months, and everyone in the neighborhood knew it. The thieves took their time, and cleared out my tool shed and bike shed.
I don't live their anymore.
Frederbee says: Jul 5, 2012. 6:55 PM
Too true. I bought a bike for an event last minute (I was working at a bike park and wanted the cred) and my bike literally fell apart as I was biking on day 2. I was spending the time with bike peeps though, and they fixed it for me. The next day my brakes fell off and the front wheel bent at the same time, sending me veering into oncoming traffic without an ability to stop. Thank you for this guide, it is exactly what I needed
milesfromneihu says: Jul 3, 2012. 10:21 PM
I bought a folder at a bike store (in Taiwan), but I am pretty sure it was a cheapo out of mainland China. Price was not totally low end, and gearing was good. But the bolt that secured the handlebars popped one day after I'd had the bike about 3 months.

As it happened, a big city bus was starting up right behind me. Exciting few seconds there when the handlebars went all floppy and I hobbled over to the curb. The bus was kind enough not to run me over.

Took the bike back to the shop and he gave me a whole new front end. But I decided maybe I should get a real bike for my commute. I did and love it. Rides like a dream.
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ride on toy dude says: Jun 22, 2012. 9:12 AM
Do you recommend bike computers?
What are their pros and cons?
milesfromneihu in reply to ride on toy dudeJul 3, 2012. 6:50 PM
I was tempted to buy a cheap computer to see how fast I was going. Then I thought again. It would have been great fun when I was a kid living in the country. But now I commute in the city, in dense traffic (Taipei, Taiwan) where it's good to pay attention every second.
I could just see myself looking down at a digital readout, "Oh wow, I'm going over 40 CRASH!" Was that miles per hour or kilometers? I'll ask the nurse if I wake up. I decided I was better off not knowing.
The point: in some situations (such as mine, daily) the distraction could be dangerous.
ride on toy dude in reply to milesfromneihuJul 3, 2012. 8:20 PM
I Totally agree. I got one and I always find myself looking down at it. The function I use the most is the clock. In hind sight Iit was probably an impulse buy.
ride on toy dude says: Jun 22, 2012. 9:12 AM
Do you recommend bike computers?
What are their pros and cons?
Aron313 in reply to ride on toy dudeJun 22, 2012. 2:45 PM
What kind of riding are you doing?
ride on toy dude in reply to Aron313Jun 22, 2012. 3:37 PM
Mountain and road mixed. I have an 07 Giant yukon MTB bike. It serves my purposes well.
Aron313 in reply to ride on toy dudeJun 23, 2012. 6:58 AM
It all depends on if you are actually going to use it for long distance but if you are mountain biking i would not recommend having it on there because it may break if your riding over rough stuff.

What is the propose of having one?

long distance, speed check, timer, ect.
ride on toy dude in reply to Aron313Jun 23, 2012. 7:44 AM
I'm mostly doing road. I got a mountain bike for when I do get to go off road.
I just got it, so when I get the money I am going to put some slightly more road based tire on it.
JacobAziza (author) in reply to ride on toy dudeJun 22, 2012. 10:07 AM
I don't specifically recommend them, but they are nice, and simple ones are inexpensive.

Pros - its fun to know how fast you are going and how far you went. It can be useful if you are training for a sports event, or if you are doing long-distance touring.

Cons - no real cons, but they don't offer much of practical value to the casual commuter.

I have one on one bike, not on the other 3.
ride on toy dude in reply to JacobAzizaJun 22, 2012. 11:36 AM
Thanks!!
Aron313 says: Jan 24, 2012. 4:50 PM
I think that all walmart bikes suck. I saw a bike that had a sign that said it was a mountain bike. The name of the bike was roadster. The fork shocks suck because its made like a pen. No seals or anything to keep dirt out just a spring that can not be ajusted. It weighed a lot!!! I think the bike was about $300 to $400 which is way too much for the bike. I work at exton bikes and i recommend you buy a Specialized bike or Giant bike. Its worth all the money because most bikes that come in for a repair are walmart bikes and i have had many people come to the shop and say that they had bought a walmart bike and then a good name brand from our store. Then the only bike that needs the most repairs was the walmart brand. Its worth the money to buy a good bike. Eventually the money will come back to you because the bike is well made! That doesnt mean that bikes dont need maintenance! If you maintain your bike you will get a long life out of it and many good riding days! :)

If you want a jumping bike i recommend the specialized P1 or P2. Very good bikes. My P1 has not broken yet except for flat tires! GT is also a good brand!
ride on toy dude in reply to Aron313Jun 22, 2012. 8:56 AM
Agreed.
jonpersonals in reply to Aron313Jun 14, 2012. 2:30 PM
Yes true and you can sell a american bike for what you spent, try that with a wallmart bike to get some laughts. .
Aron313 in reply to jonpersonalsJun 22, 2012. 2:49 PM
Yes but there are bikes that are not american that are good. Not many american bikes are sold these days but as long as the bike is sold at a bicycle shop it should definitely be better then walmart bikes.
pingaling says: Jun 17, 2012. 9:41 AM
This instructable is full of info, and helped me immensely when I went looking for, and found, a great bike on craigslist. Thanks!!
l8nite says: Jan 22, 2012. 6:27 PM
this instructable seems to lean toward touring and although its well written its more than many are looking for. A used department store bike is just fine for cruising the neighborhood or beach and are plentiful on craigslist and yardsales and if you have a pile like your first picture as I do, you can keep them operating for next to nothing for a long time. Perhaps a better title would be "buying used touring bikes for beginners"
JacobAziza (author) in reply to l8niteJan 23, 2012. 6:51 AM
This article is geared towards commuters and casual riders who aren't aware that a used department store bike is dangerous and not wroth the price even if it is free. Which is apparently a lot of my readers - unfortunately some of them don't believe me.

I would have written a very different article were it geared for touring. I know about that too, and what I wrote here wouldn't be a good guide for it.

Used department store bikes have brakes that have MUCH less than maximum, optimal stopping power, which makes them unsafe. Imagine buying a 1/2 truck built in Eastern Europe in 1926 and driving it on an LA freeway- no air bags, no seatbelts, no power brakes... you wouldn't say "oh, its just fine for casual drivers"

Not to mention it will break down sooner, be more expensive to fix, and therefor end up costing more than a real bike would have overall.
I worked in a community bike shop. I saw it again and again and again.
"I'm sorry, your 3 week old bike is going to need a $150 repair"
"but that's almost as much as I paid for it!"
"I would recommend buying from a bikeshop or craigslist next time"

I wrote this hoping to be able to tel people this BEFORE they make the mistake of buying one of those rolling deathtrap pieces of "how cheaply can I possibly make a bike in china in order to maximize profit margin" crap.
l8nite in reply to JacobAzizaJan 23, 2012. 10:11 PM
oddly enough I have never had a coaster brake fail to stop me unless I was on a wet surface, of course the same can't be said about rim pinching brakes but that's usually a matter of adjustment. Are the bikes built out of cheap tubing, definitely, will they support my 250pounds? Yes. Will the survive if I try to take a jump? Probably not. Am I going to jump a bike? Definitely not ! Not even the so called trail bikes but then I wouldn't try jumping a high dollar bike or a motorcycle or even my 4x4 on purpose anyway.

Cost of repairs, I suppose that if you take your bike to a shop it will cost you a small fortune, most of which will be shop/labor charges so for people who can't or won't do their own repairs this could be a real consideration but really how hard is it to replace the bearings in a headstock? And if you get the bearings from a bike you broke the pedal crank on and kept for parts the cost is only a little more time. If you rescued the bikes from the curb then your total cost would be... 0.00?

I have a young friend who does trial? competitions, his bike cost something outrageous like $5,000.00 ! He can ride it off a house roof with no problem or climb in the back of my truck without touching the ground but when it does break it costs! The bike he puts 200+ miles a week on around town started out as a walmart special.

Perhaps commuting in a more urban setting like NYC or Chicago would be different, although Jacksonville Florida is considered a city its more like a bunch of small towns connected together with a small urban center. So we may be discussing apples and oranges in several ways but just like I will never be convinced that buying a $30,000.00 truck is more economical than my $500 25yo truck that gets 30mpg (20 churning thru the mud) I don't think I could ever be convinced that buying an $800 dollar bike makes more sense than my $50 beach cruiser
azimmerman2 says: Mar 1, 2012. 7:58 PM
Remember to always shop Thrift stores, I got a 1989 Kona Lava Dome in near perfect condition for 25 Dollars . I looked online and i found it going for 150+. Good will is a good place to check for solid vintage bikes.
jonpersonals in reply to azimmerman2Jun 14, 2012. 2:20 PM
St vincet depaul.. can be good ., I just scored a tall frame Schwinn High Planes bike Chrome molly frame, I m guessing mfg date of about 1970 thas a black base color with a white spider web random thread on top of the black. Only $25.oo
Do you know the year?//
Large fine ball bearing pedals alum with tiny nubs sticking up. This bike is like new except for rotten tires. Also the loose wheel bearings are rusted some . I will try to lap them smooth again and dead true with laping compound. Has anyone done this???
I ordered the 2.75 or 2.95 for the rear Max 75# pressure and it is really FAT. (carefull you must get the super large tube dont trust a 2.5 tube, its 25% too small. I have a 2.25 for the front. I learned long ago fat hi-volume tires really smooth out the ride and last much longer. Used on my too 29" it now rides like a Cad and will pass a rice rocket, on the hi speed turns easily.
I dont need a stiff, heavy, rough ride sprung front end, with a Alunimum super-stiff,frame. I just dumped this bike... Iam using a sprung seat too.
JacobAziza (author) in reply to azimmerman2Mar 1, 2012. 8:21 PM
Nice find!
I guess it probably varies with where you live. I have never seen anything but 20 year old walmart style bikes at the thrift stores around here.
buteomont says: Jan 22, 2012. 12:58 PM
Nice instructable, but you lost me at step 2. It's this kind of snobbery that keeps me from joining a bicycle club. I do a lot of bike riding, and my favorite bike is a Schwinn that I bought at Target for $300. Folks that share your opinion probably laugh behind my back, but that's their problem, not mine.

If your reason for riding is to "get there" as quickly as possible, or if your ego is hurt when other riders pass you, then by all means go buy an expensive road bike. But if you are like me and ride for the enjoyment and exercise, a department store bike is fine.

Just my $0.02 worth.
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