Introduction: Care and Concealment of Medium Frame Revolvers and Autos

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Hopefully everyone will appreciate the fact that a weapon is a tool, and only as good as it's user.
The end result of using these tools are just different than those of normal tools.
Example of a normal tool: I'll need to put my drill and bits back into the case after I finish assembling my deck.
Example of a weapon tool: Hmmm...after CQB practise, where do I conceal my CZ?
This Instructable has more to do with the care and concealment of the aforementioned tool than the tool itself. I will stress weapons safety throughout this Instructable. Please don't be gun stupid. I've known intelligent, normal humans that get all-of-a sudden stupid when they get a weapon in their hands. Never point weapons at people, and treat them with respect. Safeties ON!
Weapons don't kill people: people wielding weapons do that.
I do not accept any responsibility for your weapons handling skills, or lack thereof.

Step 1: Different Views

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Once again, I apologize for the cave drawing in step 5; I hope its at least basically helpful.
Here is a view of the finished project, on an Ernie Hill Speed Leather belt. (Don't try quick draws with this holster until properly trained and experienced)

Step 2: Building a House for Your Weapon

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As with most Instructables, a ready made product is oftentimes more expensive than we'd like. However, if you make a product yourself, there is the pride of workmanship involved, and knowing the fact that you saved a whack of cash.
This instructable will show you how to manufacture an inexpensive concealable holster for your gun...or wallet...or Altoids box...or whatever you like! Heres some of the things you'll need:
Lots of stiffened leather, 1/8 inch thick,and one piece 1/4 inch thick to these dimensions:
2 pieces 155mm x 165 mm form front and rear panel.
1 piece 155 mm x 160 mm to form rear panel.
1 piece 160 mm x 150 mm forms the belt loop (1/4 inch leather)

Step 3: Stuff You'll Need-1

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An awl is excellent for pre-punching the holes you'll need for sewing the leather.

Step 4: Stuff You'll Need-2

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Heavy duty scissors; a spool of strong thread; I used the inner kern from the inside of a length of paracord; a needle big enough to handle the paracord; a measuring device; sailmakers palm (a device used by sailmakers for pushing large needles through canvas and leather); a marlin spike for tightening stitches or poking holes; a multi-tool or pliers; a sturdy belt to hang it off of.

Step 5: The Plan:1

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Let me apologize for the horrid photos first; I just couldn't get what I needed from a crappy 'Paint' program.
Also, instead of an awl, a leather punch is a handy thing; I marked off 1/4 inch between stitch holes and did all my hole-punching prior to starting.

Step 6: The Plan-2

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After carefully cutting your pieces of leather, construct the top
and back panels.

Step 7: The Plan: 2

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Here is a view of the back portion of the holster; note that I have double stitched and melted all frayed ends. The back panel can be made out of one piece of leather; I had a bag o' scraps, so I had to make-do piece it together. (I suggest building a pattern prior)

Step 8: The Plan-3

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Refering back to the cave-drawing in step 5, you can now add your belt loop to the front panel.
Stitching is important here, as you want as few stitches doing as much work as possible.

Step 9: The Plan-4

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Here is a pic of the side of the holster, showing it's construction.
Note the thickness and flexibility of the leather.

Step 10: The Product: View 1

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Here is the finished project carrying a 9mm CZ75. I used this rig for 6 months during a U.N. tour to Croatia in 1993.(when the Masljenica Bridge was going down, and the Medak Pocket murders were perpetrated. Due to international pooch-screwing by the U.N., we came in afterwards as heavily armed body janitors)
I carried a 9 mm Browning Hi-Power, plus 2 extra mags, in addition to a C-7 (Canadianized M-16A2) with double front line load (about 400 rounds of 5.56 NATO). It gave me great comfort to have a concealed weapon at that time.
Our body armour was crap, with 2 pockets, and bayonets and field dressings taped all over it. Glad theres no pics of that.
This picture shows a CZ75 in the holster.

Step 11: The Product: View2

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Mount the holstered weapon on a good sturdy belt; Ernie Hill Speed Leather belts are designed for holstered pistol carriage. Safety:
Stuffing a loaded 9mm or .45 down the front of your pants is Hollywood crap; there is huge potential to:
-drop the weapon (Tony Soprano, season 2, I think)
-lose it while climbing tall structures.(one of the guys in 'U.S. Marshalls'?)
-real potential for Nutectomy or worse; the average gunman can't fix a 9mm hole in their femoral artery.
As mentioned by ptmmatssc, retention of the weapon is not entirely proofed; it can be improved with the addition of a thumbstrap device.

Step 12: The Product: View3

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S & W K-22 revolver also fits, to make a good plinking rig.
Note trigger locks.

Step 13: The Product: View 4

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Holster Mounted on Ernies belt, while I try to hold it all in.
Spare mags are on left side of belt. Note how back panel will prevent grip rash. It took a bit of getting used to, but once broken in, was good to go.
I am not encouraging the carrying of concealed weapons; I am encouraging firearms safety training and proper use of your brain.

Step 14: Product View 5

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You can also carry you wallet, knife, whatever in the holster.
Just be smart.

Comments

ptmmatssc (author)2008-02-26

Instructable would be much better if not for comments like : "don't hold the weapon sidey-ways, gangsta style, when shooting, as you will look treble-stupid, because: You look stupid The weapon Jams You get shot." If a gun "jams" from being held sideways , it has other problems . I personally would not trust that rig for lack of retention. Not trying to be rude or mean , but for safeties sake , there is a reason something like that would not be allowed in any of our training classes .

mjadolphson (author)ptmmatssc2009-01-23

Actually holding a weapon sideways is far mor in accurate and when the gun fires it "travels", so instead of the point of aim traveling up, it travels to the left or right where there could be people you dont want to shoot. Gangsta style is another deviation from practicality, kinda like ebonics, take somthing which is proper, and screw with it to make it "cool". Have you hear of "limp-wristing" a 1911? It produces failure to feed, extract, and stovepipes. There is the proper way to do somthing, and then there is the improper way. Glocks dont have the limp wristing syndrome as many others do not however, the travel is an issue, and when your in a high stress state with your adrenaline pumping it pays to train your muscle memory and it pays to train the best way possible.

zs (author)mjadolphson2017-02-05

holding a gun sideways does not make the bullet travel left or right, that is left/right point of impact is from not using the sights and aim being slightly off. Gravity acts on the bullet as soon as it leaves the barrel, thats why (just as an example ) rifles are aimed slightly up, so the ark of the bullet will land where you have the scope zerod to. The same applies to handguns, bow and arrows, spears, rocks, baseballs, and balls of wrapping paper.

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nature223 (author)ptmmatssc2008-06-29

actually the sideways gun handling has a true purpose.. if your the front guy entering a building carrying the seethrough sheild,you NEED to turn the gun sideways to see the sights in the small porthole.

Tommi Potx (author)ptmmatssc2008-02-26

You have an excellent point; I tend to run on. Retention worked pretty well for me, although I can see the disadvantage.

ptmmatssc (author)Tommi Potx2008-02-26

Lol , like I said , wasn't trying to be rude . I have actually tooled a few holsters for myself . But I went with a form fit and button strap .

Trid (author)2012-07-15

I really like the way this looks- I would just add an extra flap as sort of a 'print shield' so if I bend over it is still concealed.

Where do you get your leather?

ilpug (author)2011-02-17

THIS IS A BAD IDEA. Good leatherwork though.

SWV1787 (author)2008-02-26

I understand the desire to conceal a gun behind the belt but I do not believe it is an intelligent idea but rather get a holster for the ankle or another type of conceal holster. I have a great uncle that put a bullet right through his butt cheeks, when he had an accidental firing, because he holstered his pistol behind his belt.

mjadolphson (author)SWV17872009-01-23

Ankle hosters are the slowest method of acquiring a firearm. Bend over, pull up your pant leg, unbutton the retention strap, pull gun, etc.... Cops use this method usually for a backup gun (the first being elsewhere). Good thing for your uncle he didnt carry in the crotch area. Just because one person makes a mistake doesnt mean we all will.

akward,,now shut up

admiral001 (author)mjadolphson2009-11-14

i agree, ankle holsters are the slowest carry method. The gun might as well be at home in the dresser drawer

ptmmatssc (author)SWV17872008-02-26

For an ankle holster , the CZ75 etc are to big . IWB holsters are as safe as the person they are attached to . A common mistake people make with ANY holster is having their finger inside the trigger guard when holstering/unholstering their weapon . It's actually a natural movement that people need to break themselves of . The holster isn't the problem , the human is .

gmoon (author)ptmmatssc2008-02-27

Really good advice--learn to unholster correctly. Especially if you've got a Glock with the trigger safety (which a friend has, not myself....)

Tommi Potx (author)SWV17872008-02-26

Ouch! Good point!

ptmmatssc (author)2008-04-03

Lol , the reason for having the gun in the first place is NOT to "run away" from the bad guys . And if you don't notice a firearm dropping to the ground or the lack of weight from the firearm not being there , then you probably shouldn't be carrying one in the first place .

Pbyrd (author)ptmmatssc2008-06-24

Well, if you are using a pocket pistol like the Colt .25 Vest Pocket, you might not notice.

ptmmatssc (author)Pbyrd2008-06-25

Lol , funny you should use a fairly rare gun as an example . But really , would you notice if you "dropped" your cellphone? Would you not hear it hit the ground? Would you be casual or careless with a weapon ? Enough so that you wouldn't notice it's lack of presence? Do things just "fall out "of your vest pocket , or any other pocket ?

Pbyrd (author)ptmmatssc2008-06-25

Well then, let's use a more common gun for an example such as the Walther PPK/S or the Kahr PM45. If it was in your jacket pocket you may not notice that they are gone especially if you are used to it being with you a lot.

ptmmatssc (author)Pbyrd2008-06-27

Kahr PM45 weighs 19.3 oz without ammo . PPK/S weighs 22.4 oz without ammo . My PT 140 weighs 18 oz . Funny how easy it is to tell that I'm carrying it . Over a pound of steel and plastic is hard to not notice (not including ammo). Because I DO carry it a lot I am very aware of the lack of weight if I don't have it on me . Throw a 16 oz soda in a jacket pocket (1 lb) and tell me you can't tell if it's there or not . All 3 of the above pistols weighs much more than that bottle of soda . It boils down to this . If YOU don't feel comfortable carrying in a certain manner , then don't . If YOU can't tell whether or not your pistol is on you , then maybe you should rethink carrying . If YOU are not responsible enough to keep track of , and maintain possession of your firearm , maybe you should rethink carrying .

Pbyrd (author)ptmmatssc2008-06-27

Well, then use the Walther TPH which is about 11.5 oz unloaded and there are 2 versions available chambered for .22Lr and .25ACP. You can say what you want, but some guns you might notice falling out and such and some guns you might not.

mjadolphson (author)Pbyrd2009-01-23

Do you have any real world experience at all? When you turn 21 and get a CCW, buy a real calibur weapon.

mettaurlover (author)mjadolphson2010-02-20

In reality, you can kill someone with a .22 if you know where to shoot. Anyway, what do you mean by a "real caliber" weapon?

Pbyrd (author)ptmmatssc2008-06-28

Oh yeah I forgot to tell you that Taurus's suck.

mjadolphson (author)Pbyrd2009-01-23

No they dont, how do you make such ludicrous statements? Do you have any factual evidence? Can you present it? Let me guess, you have owned one of their guns and somthing went wrong, we shall assume its on the manufacturers side, and all of a sudden alllll Taurus's suck?

Pbyrd (author)ptmmatssc2008-06-27

I'm talkin small caliber pocket pistols for defense not pistols chambered in calibers like .40S&W; or .45ACP.

ptmmatssc (author)Pbyrd2008-06-27

"I'm talkin small caliber pocket pistols for defense not pistols chambered in calibers like .40S&W; or .45ACP." But YOU used the following as examples "Well then, let's use a more common gun for an example such as the Walther PPK/S or the Kahr PM45 " Btw , the PPK/S can be had in .25 , .380 , .32 . As I said above , if YOU are not responsible enough to not lose your weapon , then you may want to rethink carrying . Kinda makes me wonder how many sets of keys and wallets you've lost .

Pbyrd (author)ptmmatssc2008-06-27

Well, then we'll go with what you say and say that if you dropped your gun you'd know it and all that crap you said. By the way, I'm 13 years old and the only weapon I carry is a knife. But if you say that you wouldn't notice if you dropped your weapon, then we'll go with that. And I've concealed a Harrington&Richardson; 20 Gauge in my pants leg ( dont ask me why) but I just kinda zoned it out after a few minutes.

M3TALMAN (author)ptmmatssc2008-04-08

Actually I think the gun should be a last resort in any situation. The paperwork for talking down on of your "bad guys" is a lot easier than the junk you have to fill out for shooting the guy. The gun only becomes the better option when the risks of leaving it holstered outway the risks of pulling it out. An example of this is the bad guy with the knife scenario. If the two of you are all alone, beat feet. If there are other people, pulling the weapon may be justified; the downside is now you've added another weapon to the situation and risk escalating it. Also, you have to worry about police coming to break up the party. Your weapon makes their job twice as difficult because now they also have to determine if your a threat. After they tell you to put it down, if you turn towards them they have the right to end you right there. Quick question: is that electrical tape on the grip?

ptmmatssc (author)M3TALMAN2008-04-11

NEVER turn your back on an assailant , especially armed . You don't fill out paperwork for defending yourself . Risk escalating it? If someone is coming at you armed , it has already "escalated" to the point of needing to use your firearm for defense .

NRen2k5 (author)ptmmatssc2009-09-09

"You don't fill out paperwork for defending yourself ."

Absolute BS. When you use deadly force against someone, at the absolute minimum you'll have to deal with the police. These things can and often do go to court. There's a fine line between self-defense and manslaughter.

999592 (author)M3TALMAN2008-08-31

police can only fire if fired upon

mjadolphson (author)9995922009-01-23

.......... Point a gun at a cop and see what happens if you "dont" fire it.

999592 (author)mjadolphson2009-01-27

I never said they couldn't arrest you...i just said they couldn't shoot you. they can injure/arrest whoever they want or however they want.

mjadolphson (author)9995922009-01-27

They can legally and WILL shoot you. Where the hell did you soak up this information? TV?

999592 (author)mjadolphson2009-01-28

Ok... apparently my brother the police officer told me wrong

NRen2k5 (author)9995922009-09-09

Yep. Police can use deadly force whenever they think there is an immediate risk to somebody's life, including their own.

mjadolphson (author)9995922009-01-28

Apparently so.

guitarman63mm (author)9995922009-01-27

If you point a gun at a cop, they're going to shoot you. Plain and simple. First rule for law enforcement officers is to always go home. Always. So if you point a gun at them, they'll sure as hell shoot you.

NRen2k5 (author)ptmmatssc2009-09-09

The whole part about running away is not quite right. If you use deadly force in a situation that you could otherwise reasonably have gotten out of, then you can be convicted for manslaughter.

Dr_Stupid (author)2008-02-27

And follow your state and local laws. Don't conceal because you can, conceal because you can and you're LEGAL.

penguincomrade (author)Dr_Stupid2008-12-24

I agree. Though the name is what causes the irony in your statement.

Dr_Stupid (author)penguincomrade2009-05-06

well at least you get the irony, most people don't, so props to you. (It's a Ren and Stimpy reference, also)

fireFEIND67 (author)Dr_Stupid2008-12-27

um hell yea

leebryuk (author)2008-02-28

I had friends who were in the Balkans. Not a pretty place, even after all of these years. I sometimes hear of the legendary shot to the groin. People do need to keep their damned fingers off the trigger when handling a gun up to the point of discharge. A cop here shot herself several years back when she was trying to safe her revolver (that was sometime ago.) She lived, it was a leg wound. I imagine her pride smarted just as bad. I think she was a desk jockey.

mjadolphson (author)leebryuk2009-01-23

Amen

Tommi Potx (author)leebryuk2008-02-28

As a small arms instructor in the infantry, I too went on and on about the trigger finger to recruits.

mjadolphson (author)2009-01-23

Yaknow, im gonna waste one a couple more words on this. I used to play out scenarios when I was a kid in my head "what if" situations. Trust, dont waste your time. Just train yourself to get your weapon out of your holster as fast as possible. Practice practice practice. It's widely known the majority of criminals have little to no training, and dont try. They use a gun as a tool, if they thought you had a gun 9 times out of 10 they wont mess with you. They are looking for easy targets.

mjadolphson (author)2009-01-23

Many holsters which lack a thumb strap saftey have somthing called a tension screw in the leather which allows you to snug the weapon up however tight you like, and as an IWB holster which litterally means in the wasteband, you also have your belt holding the weapon firm. No one having any sense is going to do some jumping jacks with a gun tucked away. However, I have done JJ's with my holster and it never budged. Think, read, think, read, think, write.

ptmmatssc (author)2008-04-01

Actually , unless it's an older firearm , a drop will not discharge a firearm . They have been designed with multiple safety features to avoid "accidental" discharges and are drop tested to ensure they are safe in that aspect.

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