Step 11: Install the cyclone

We started with the standard GEK cyclone, and fitted it into the hopper/box as well.

In the photos here we also dropped the box into the car. Actually to be more accurate, we dropped the car onto the box using a car jack, the box just sat in place.
<p>here in Bangladesh most vehicles use CNG or compressed natural gas i think. My only reason for commenting here is that this Syngas idea leads me back to my idea of simply letting biomass to rot in a big sealed bin to create gas. Simply fill that gas into your vehicle and it will burn and churn the combustion engine. I'm no expert but this kind of tech is used in India as cow dung is dumped into such a huge sealed bin and that gas is used for cooking....and by cooking i mean that gas acutally burns.</p><p>So Jim hope you make that and you might actually keep driving your car quietly without anyone even knowing. Oh another thing your honda accord wont be that noisy with any kind of gas as fuel.</p>
<p>Very nice project. I love your work</p>
<p>very nice work.Thanks for sharing and affording guidance.</p>
<p>My grandpa always told us about how they used that in Germany during and after the war. He would've loved to see something like this.</p>
nice 'able pretty cool, saw this thing on a tv show once
you should put this on a delorean with a flux capacitor and a time circuit.
awesome i may someday do this because by dad is a mechanic and has his own company
if it became viable for everyday use, the government would come down on it like a sledgehammer, because its dangerous and stuff,..and not because of the Tax they would lose in fuel not being brought... ;)
Fantastic 'ible!!! What are some good ways of determining how big the gasifier needs to be to run certain engines, so that I can build one to fit in my car with the least amount of mods. Also, what is the most efficient temperature to run a gasifier. Thanks!
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I think what you need is TWO screws, turning against each other (that is, a left-hand screw and a right-hand screw, both moving the material up, and turning in opposite directions). Am I crazy?
two flat rubber belts on a funnel shaped form would do the job pretty well.
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Nice design, I'm going to convert my golf cart to run off trash but I'm going to make it look like a Mr Fusion
like back to the future car use garbage. Great idea man keep it up.
Great idea. I plan to go to a used car lot and pick up a few cheap old cars to do convert to different propulsion systems like this. An <a href="http://www.actionmuffleredmonton.com/en/" rel="nofollow">auto repair shop in Edmonton</a> is also helping to fund the project. Thanks again!
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Would something like this be doable for a motorcycle? <br> <br>
This is really cool and everything, and it's a great example, but does anyone else think it's a little pie-in-the-sky for large distribution due to the enormously costly electronic control system? If only someone could come up with a more elegant mechanical control system design, it would reduce the cost by, what? Two thirds? Three quarters?
I doubt it. There is a reason why electronic controls are replacing mechanical ones in homes, cars, industrial devices, really about everything. The electronics may look expensive, but if you tried to do anything similar with mechanical control, I would bet that it would be more expensive. That would be true in one-off (because of the time required to machine the mechanical parts for a custom mechanical control) or mega-scale (because if Honda decided to produce a wood-gasifier car, the control would not cost any more than the ECU that runs the gasoline engine). <br> <br>I suspect that it seems expensive because you are unconsciously comparing a one-off scale research setup to the prices of mass produced products.
they had a crude version of this that was used extensively during WW 2 in britain. it was I believe manually controlled and many were homebuilt. Check e-bay. I've seen several offering plans or a collection of old data on these for a reasonable price. See my comment above.
Can't you do a similar thing using biofeul diesel made from fryer grease that is a lot more compact?
Wow this really is quite the project. I'm impressed that you were successful with something like this. I was actually looking for information on <a href="http://www.petersonrepairsimi.com" rel="nofollow">Honda auto repair</a> when I ran into this. Maybe I'll make a few other drastic changes while I'm &quot;repairing&quot; my car ;) I should probably enlist the help of people that know cars better though. How far can you go if that tank is full?
Just don't drive over 88 mph. :)
You sir have the best comment here.
I have a Honda. It already runs on trash, it is trash.
If you set this up so the petrol engine was able to be activated at anytime, Managed to register the car. It would be classed as a hybrid. An you would get all the tax benefits etc from driving a hybrid.
Yeah you did!!!
<br>Beautiful work found it does not matter there Ancana Comments disappointing wow just found it I hope
awesome piece of work............. <br>how many days it took for u????????/ <br>wat is ur project cost value?????? <br> <br>gr8 job
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If this has existed since WW2, then why don't we see more cars using this or this being suggested as a answer to the carbon emission problems?
According to my reading, the ww2 models were very dirty and had to change or clean filters frequently and they didn't give full power. also since I believe they were manually controlled, it took a bit of a mechanic to keep it running. <br>in addition, we today are lazy and or in too much of a hurry to go out and build a fire, wait for it to get going etc. before running to town. Stil, I plan to build one.
Actually the carbon emission problems wouldn't be solved. There is just as much carbon in the trash you would burn as there is in gasoline. It would be a bit different but probably be just as much carbon going into the air. The other bad stuff in gas would be gone though, depending, of course, on what you burned in the syngas generator.
the carbon from gasoline is from the ground and goes to the air. while a gassier takes carbon from the air to make biomass and then returns it to the air for no net increase.
This is wrong. The *gassifier takes carbon from the fuel. The difference between using gasoline and trash is that trash would normally go to a landfill and gasoline has to be mined, refined, processed, and transported.
and the carbon in the gassifer fuel came from the air. while in gasoline the carbon came from the earth
Petroleum is fossilize biomass containing trapped carbon. Trash is new biomass containing trapped carbon. The only difference is that this burns new biomass rather than old. Both release carbon and many other harmful emissions.
there's a simple question, how long does the carbon in the fuel take, to return to prefuel state?<br><br>if there's plastic in the trash, it's about the same as gasoline, which takes millions of years.<br>with wood, a few decades.<br>farm waste that was grasses or seeds, a year, if there's multiple crops, averages to half a year.<br>algae, depending on the continuous production capability, maybe a few weeks or a month.<br><br>the goal is to make the recovery time lower, not to whine about petroleum being the same carbon as in the trash... of course it's the same, but there's millions of years difference there.
Its carbon neutral. Since wood and organic matter decompose over time it releases such gas and this just speeds up the process. Wood stoves are cabon neutral as well. The tree uses Co2 to live and when dead it releases the equivalent amount/
If you bottled the exhaust from this project you could pump it in to An Algae Bio-reactor (As seen in below link ) and run two vehcles on the same carbon there for halving emissions. http://www.instructables.com/id/An-Algae-Bioreactor-from-Recycled-Water-Bottles/
What he means by carbon neutral is that he isn't adding any extra Carbon to the atmosphere. If it is all organic waste, then it just outputs what it took in.
&quot;If this has existed since WW2&quot; What do you mean &quot;if&quot;? Why is it so hard to comprehend that it has occurred to others in the last 500 years to explore technology alternatives in their era when faced with scarcity of supply of standard solutions? The word &quot;hubris&quot; comes to mind. I respectfully submit that you crack a book; do some research. The reason you don't see this tech in use is it is a very inefficient process. You have to heat the material to get the syngas out and that heating process costs a lot. We don't see steam powered trains or cars for nearly the exact same reason. Our current gasoline/diesel refining infrastructure is far far far more efficient. But technology like this does come into its own when that infrastructure is unavailable, but that doesn't mean the cost of using it drops. In short, if you relied on this technology with the same household budget, you'd be taking a lot fewer car rides. The prices of products in any economy transporting goods using steam/syngas technology would cost far more. Shipping a package via UPS would be a luxury. The number of poor people would increase quite a bit I'd estimate as prices rose. But to have these technologies available in a pinch as a stopgap would have a definite coolness factor. Which is exactly the role they played in the WWII era. One might ask why we don't ride horses anymore also as the answer would dovetail with the above quite a bit.
Hubris= Overbearing pride or arrogance. Thanks a lot, mgalyean, however I must point out that that isn't a very respectable answer. However you did answer my question so I thank you for that, and respectfully implore you to take a page from the three who answered before you who did so with a little more consideration to someone a little more naive than them.
according to www.veva.bc.ca/wtw/Tesla_20060719.pdf Second, we know that production of the gas and its transportation to the gas station is on average 81.7% efficient, for a total of 0.28 km/MJ for a Toyota Camry. What is the equivalent for a gassifer?
The gasification process was originally developed in the 1800s to produce town gas for lighting and cooking. Electricity and natural gas later replaced town gas for these applications, but the gasification process has been utilized for the production of synthetic chemicals and fuels since the 1920s. Wood gas generators, called Gasogene or Gazog&egrave;ne, were used to power motor vehicles in Europe during World War II fuel shortages
I've been aware of these for a long time. The thing you all don't seem to get is this. Most of us are not interested in alternative energy to be &quot;green&quot; or any of that crap. we want this because we can't afford $4.00 gallon gas. Buying a kit for $2000. or more is out of the question. Even if we had the money, the payback time is excessive. Nor do we have a fully equipped shop with cnc plasma cutters etc. Hell, I don't even had a cad program or anything to open a cad file. what I need is simple drawings and description, so I can build it in my backyard shed, like the original ones were 60 plus years ago. <br>I'll never understand why we can design &quot; appropriate technology&quot; devices for third world countries, but can't do anything for our own people without it costing a fortune.
you might look at the wood pellet stoves they use Augers and hoppers. Granted the fuel it consistent, but you will see those that work being very reliable. You may want to consider what they use to use in old flour mills that being a belt with with little cups on them gravity feed to the bottom with the cups scooping up the bits as they come around the pully. Works on assorted sized grains and might be better for this application
So why doesn't everyone drive these around?<br><br>I guess it's because of the massive lobbying power of the petrochemical industry, which also controls biofuel.
Very interesting and exiting project. But I think it is not legal to drive it on public roads. Every part on the car has to be DOT approved ( department of transportation ). Messing with and/ or disabling part or whole of the emission control system that a car came out with is a federal crime. Then what about inspection? You better check with your state and federal laws before you do it. Laws changed a lot the last 70 years. I am all for it and considered to build a gasifier for a back-up generator, but I just don't like folks to convert there cars over and then they have to find out that there time, money and car they spend was for nothing and that all of it may end up in a junk yard.

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