Step 16: Demoulding

After the lugs have set up (at least 12-24 hours), you can remove the moulds. I found that snapping off the alignment tabs was necessary, and that in most cases some mild persuasion with a hammer and chisel was required to free the parts. Working the chisel in between the gap on alternating corners works well.

While I had realistically only designed the moulds for 1-time use, almost all of them survived the demoulding process reasonably intact (except for the tabs) with the exception of the bottom bracket moulds.
<p>There isn't a frame with the geometry I want. So I am thinking of buying an aluminum frame, chopping it into pieces, and using this method to join them with printed lugs, eh?</p>
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<p>you totally missed the point brother...</p>
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<p>I have a Porsche 906 plan set and was thinking of applying some of these ideas to the tube frame instead of welding. </p><p>I am also interested in building a hull framework for a raf wowing aircraft using titanium tubing. Of course static load testing will be in order. Any suggestions on software to simulate loading of the carbon tube interface connections. A wonderful article by the way</p>
great job and thank you.
<p>thank you so much!</p>
<p>Would it be possible to avoid carbon fiber by using 3D printed lexan full lugs to glue on tube's inside , somehow ?</p>
Great job. I'm starting a similar project but I am printing all the molds and using carbon tubes so it's all carbon. Great pictures too!
<p>I work at an aerospace place where we make inflatables for NASA and other various aeronautical uses. Our inflatables are made using textiles such as woven kevlar, xylon, carbon, etc. I just want to say that I liked the section on composites and that you explained it well. Good job! Also If you have any high modulus carbon string you should try tying it in a knot. It's a pretty neat party trick. We have some that's 200 lb pull and you can break it using your fingers when you tie it in a knot.</p>
<p>I can't believe that you did this two years ago and there aren't more instructables like this. I have been 3d printing for two years now and just got a job as a composite drafter three days ago. I have this project in my sights. Thank you for posting this. </p>
<p>I'm south of DC, wondering how to assemble a group to do several bikes together, maybe at a local maker space. Beyond this FANTASTIC Instructable, what would you suggest for organizing such a group effort?</p>
This is amazing, truly, thank you for the time you spent making and documenting this. <br> <br>I am interested learning more about 3d printed molds and carbon fiber, can you please recommend some books or websites for various Carbon Fibers, resins, processes and theory?
This definitely needs to go in the Bike Contest. <br>
This is a very nice writeup. I'll be experimenting soon with something like this -- your instructable has been quite inspirational, thanks!
Very nice job and explanation. You obviously spent a lot of time documenting your progress. <br> <br>Question: Did you think about using carbon fiber tubing in lieu of the aluminum, There appears to be tubing built and sold for bicycle from Rock West composites(http://www.rockwestcomposites.com/)? <br> <br>I have used some of their tubing for small parts of a DIY handcycle.
Hi Androole, <br> <br>I just joined instructables so I could thank you for taking the time to post this, the way you set out the info and your detail is amazing. Also, an awesome idea I had pondered before, but you well and truly beat me to it! <br> <br>How is the bike holding up?
Hi, <br>I can't thank you enough for sharing your build. In particular, the 3d printing aspects. It's a perfect way for home builder to build the bike of their dreams. <br>Fantastic! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. <br> <br>Rod <br>San Francisco
I'm extremely impressed and sold. Couple of questions - <br> <br>Are there any 3d printing services you would suggest for a project like this? <br> <br>What type of material is the print made of and how strong is it? <br> <br>And just to clarify...are you using the actual print for the lug and then wrapping additional carbon fiber around it - or are you just using the print to make 2 part molds with which you then make carbon fiber lugs? (I wasn't exactly clear on this) <br> <br>Amazing work and thanks!
Thanks for the kind words! <br> <br>As far as 3D printing materials and services go, I used ABS plastic printed using the Fused Deposition Modelling (FDM) style process. This was popularized by manufacturers like Stratasys and Dimension. It's also the process used by just about every inexpensive desktop/DIY 3D printer. It's cheap, and the parts are quite rigid and reasonably tough. The compound curvature and smooth transitions of the lugs also makes them quite strong. The detail is not as good (you get a bit of the 'stair-step' effect), but that's not as important here. <br> <br>Most 3D printing services now are using Selective Laser Sintering (SLS) nylon/polyamide because it's relatively cheap, produces great detail, and the parts are very durable because they are flexible. The downside to that flexibility is that unless you use a high wall thickness on your parts (read: expensive, heavier) you lose the dimensional accuracy that you need to make this work. <br> <br>As services go, Shapeways no longer does ABS, but Ponoko has it and calls it Durable Gloss Plastic (http://www.ponoko.com/make-and-sell/show-material/348-3d-printed-durable-gloss-plastic-black). You might be able to get away with Shapeways Alumide, but I'd be concerned that it's too brittle and not very forgiving. There are loads of other rapid prototyping services out there, but I can't vouch for their pricing or user friendliness. <br> <br>As far as the moulding process, the answer to both of your questions is &quot;yes.&quot; I printed the actual lug that defined the geometry of the tubing, but also printed 2-part moulds to compress the carbon fiber around the lug mould. This means that the plastic 3d-printed parts are still inside the frame, but they don't weigh much, and I figure it can't hurt to have a little bit of impact resistance (especially given that this is a prototype process). <br> <br>Hope that helped!
Dang. Just... dang. Love it. Forwarding to my bikey friends. <br> <br>I've wondered for a while: is there any merit to the idea of using 3D printing to deposit carbon fiber directiy? Usually you're printing with a filament anyway. I imagine someone has to have tried that. <br> <br>It would be a pretty different print head, adding epoxy as you laid down the fiber instead of heating. You'd probably have to take it into account in the path the print head would take. And you'd probably have to print a negative to do needed compression, like you did here. <br> <br>Also, did your front wheel hit the pedals?
The technology you're looking for is called filament-wound carbon. It's generally restricted to making carbon tubes and tanks, but it can be used (with 6+ axis machines,) to make more complicated things. <br />Here's a company that uses an unusual winding technique to make bikes. <br />http://www.delta7bikes.com/delta7-bikes.htm <br /> <br />I know I saw at one point a bike frame maker that used a single carbon strand to make an entire frame out of, but couldn't find it.
I've heard that idea of 3d-printed CF filament before. It's very interesting, and could lead to some absolutely incredible properties by optimizing the fiber direction and making it continuous, but as you say, it would need some pretty significant custom design work. Epoxy obviously has a short pot-life, so you'd need some system to automatically meter and mix new resin and purge the old stuff, and the path of the print head is clearly vital to the engineering properties of the part. <br> <br>One option would be through the use of a dual-nozzle printer with carbon fiber and a thermoplastic composite rather than thermosetting (i.e carbon-fiber reinforced ABS rather than epoxy). You'd likely need to reheat and compress the final part in a mould, as you say, to get the plastic matrix to encapsulate the CF properly, but you'd potentially have a pretty amazing, absolutely customized finished part with much better impact resistance than a standard epoxy part. <br> <br>...and finally, yes, there is a little bit of toe overlap during tight cornering due to the geometry. The pedals don't touch, but the tips of your feet can at times. I had the wheelset lying around so I used it, but this could be alleviated by using a suspension-corrected 26&quot; fork (to keep the overall axle-to-crown offset the same) and a 26&quot; front wheel to reduce the diameter.
interesting, with a bit more work you could make reusable molds and produce those bikes in a small series, or am i wrong?
You certainly could! With some stronger moulds (read: thicker plastic wall thikcness), somewhat more care taken during the prep process (better buffing &amp; polishing of the mould release wax, and better mould release compound) I think it would definitely be possible to make reusable moulds for small batch production. They wouldn't last many pulls, but certainly more than one.
Uhhh...WOW! That is sweeet. Can you post a short video of you riding it around, please? I want to see it in action.
Thanks! I overstrained my knee a bit as a ride-along mechanic for a 220km charity ride this past weekend, but I'll see how I'm feeling and try and get a video posted in the next week or so.
Very nice writeup - 2 questions : how did you calculate if adequate force for vbrake bosses under max limits, how was the frame alignment after finishing, and frame weight?
As far as the V-brake stresses, I looked more at precedent than doing all e the calculations from scratch. While the ultimate tensile strength of epoxy is obviously far lower than aluminum (about 1/6), the epoxy bond area covers the entire backside of the brake boss tube, whereas the weld area is only around the periphery of the joint. So the overall joint strength should be approximately equivalent. The carbon fiber wrapping was then for insurance, and this is one of the few instances where I wrapped the fibers circumferentially, giving the addition hoop strength to resist the braking forces. On top of all this, the rear brakes only contribute about 30% of the overall braking force on a bicycle due to weight transfer, so their loading is significantly less than the front brakes. <br> <br>Frame alignment post-finishing was spot on, to the best of my measuring abilities - as soon as all the 3d-printed joints are glued into place in the early steps, there's very little opportunity for the frame to shift during moulding. <br> <br>The frame weight disappointed me a little bit - it was about 2300g. Given the unusual geometry and the sheer amount of tubing (call it an XXXL frame) and the frame's stiffness, that actually isn't terrible, about the same as a nicely built 4130 chromoly frame. This frame also has a thick MTB headtube, BB shell, and dropouts that I'd salvaged, which are not very lightweight. For this iteration, ultimate weight reduction was not my priority, so much as to make a more accessible way for people to build custom-geometry bikes. In my next version of this frame, I may experiment with vacuum-moulding the 3d-printed lugs, which will allow me to significantly reduce the amount of resin in my moulds. I expect that dropping 300-500g of weight would be very easy, and even more would be possible with some care and optimization.
Very cool project! <br> <br>However, I'm curious about the proportions/geometry? The seat post seems much too angled so that raising the seat actually means pushing it further back making it harder to reach the handles. Was this intentional? I'm just curious what the benefit of this geometry is? It doesn't look like any bikes I've seen before.
@bmwer <br> <br>google for &quot;RAN&quot; bicycles, This biks is modeled on that form.
The bike is basically a semi-recumbent - it marries some of the reclined comfort and efficient pedalling of a recumbent with the more conventional handling and packaging of a standard diamond frame. It takes a little bit of getting used to, but it's fun, and totally different. At some point I plan on building myself a moulded carbon seat, possibly with an integral lumbar support. <br> <br>You are correct that pushing out the seatpost increases your reach to both the pedals and bars - it's actually an advantage when it comes to accommodating different sized people. Me and four of my friends ranging from about 5'5&quot; to 6'1&quot; rode the bike in one session and all of them were actually okay - try doing that on a regular frame!
The carbon lugs look great, especially with the gussets you incorporated into them. I wish I'd been able to make them as nice on my bamboo bike. <br> <br>With the ... unusual... geometry you chose, I would be worried a bit about the seatpost, if it's carbon fiber ( I can't tell from the pictures, but it looks like it might be). They really aren't designed to have as much side load as yours will, because usually the seatpost is much closer to perpendicular to the ground.
Good call on your concern - it's actually a rather beefy 31.6 aluminum Race Face Evolve Downhill seatpost - I needed it for its special 360 degree clamp that could hold my seat at such an extreme angle.
Wow!!! That is awesome. I love how the printed lugs become intergrated. This takes 3d-printing to a whole new level since this would be possible with a homemade reprap.

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